Question Intel Mont thread

[igor_kavinski]

https://store.acer.com/en-us/aspire-3-laptop-a315-510p-3905

First Gracemont laptop available for sale.

Anybody got disposable $500 to buy and test this laptop?

 

[Roland00Address]

I want to see these various chips in laptops and a multi part review for I am so curious. I know I am listing 10 different CPUs but I am curious how each perform in the 6 to 28 watts for there is a lot of overlap from 4e, 8e, 4e+2p, 8e+2p, etc

P series 28 watts
U series 15 watts and 09 watts
also N series which can be 06 watts, 07 watts, 09 watts, and 15 watts

i5-1240p aka 4p+8e, 28 watts
i3-1220p aka 2p+4e, 28 watts

i5-1235u aka 2p+8e, 15 watts
i5-1230u aka 2p+8e, 09 watts
i3-1215u aka 2p+4e, 15 watts
i3-1210u aka 2p+4e, 09 watts

i3-N305 aka 0p+8e, 15 watts
i3-N300 aka 0p+8e, 07 watts
i-N100 aka 0p+4e, 06 watts
i-N95 aka 0p+4e, 15 watts

 

[igor_kavinski]

Looks like it's going for $350 now!

They came to their senses!

 

[igor_kavinski]

Now all we need to do is wait for @igor_kavinski to buy one!

I'm actually seriously tempted!

But the import duties and shipment will make it go to $500 for me.

Need to wait until it is available locally for me.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Screw that. I like the MiniPCs.

But why not Alderlake-N in an mITX motherboard like they did with Goldmont Plus?

Alderlake-N, mITX motherboard, M.2 SSD and M.2 WiFi with PCIe x1 slot please!

 

[igor_kavinski]

Alderlake-N, mITX motherboard, M.2 SSD and M.2 WiFi with PCIe x1 slot please!

Maybe coming soon from ASUS or ASROCK.

 

[igor_kavinski]

i5-1230u aka 2p+8e, 09 watts

Intel Core i5-1230U Benchmarks - Geekbench

That's the most interesting SKU for me but failed to impress the reviewer in this laptop: https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/dell-xps-13-9315

 

[DrMrLordX]

Not sure if anyone explicitly mentioned it before in this thread (sorry, might have missed it!), but: AlderLake-N doesn't support dual-channel memory. So yeah it has single-channel memory for a reason.

 

[Roland00Address]

Intel Core i5-1230U Benchmarks - Geekbench

That's the most interesting SKU for me but failed to impress the reviewer in this laptop: https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/dell-xps-13-9315

Wow they put a 45w cpu (maybe it is cTDP down to 35w) in a 3.1lb laptop, the Acer SF314-71 14”which goes for $899. Note this is not the computer we were talking about earlier but it is one of them they compared the 1230u 09w tdp chip too in the review above that we linked too.

And that is kind of my point with alderlake and gracemont, in the 12 to 14 inch range with roughly 3 lb devices there can be a lot of variation from 06w to 45w skus.

Likewise different variations of skus with how much p or e cores the cpu has.

 

[Exist50]

Not sure if anyone explicitly mentioned it before in this thread (sorry, might have missed it!), but: AlderLake-N doesn't support dual-channel memory. So yeah it has single-channel memory for a reason.

People have mentioned it, but given DDR5 or LPDDR, probably makes no difference. They feed 8+16 with two channels, after all.

 

[IntelUser2000]

People have mentioned it, but given DDR5 or LPDDR, probably makes no difference. They feed 8+16 with two channels, after all.

Reviews show that in games, even the DDR4 doesn't make that big of an impact. Games are actually noticeably faster on Alderlake-N in quite a few titles, meaning it was actually CPU bound on Tremont.

 

[Exist50]

Reviews show that in games, even the DDR4 doesn't make that big of an impact. Games are actually noticeably faster on Alderlake-N in quite a few titles, meaning it was actually CPU bound on Tremont.

You mean gaming with a dGPU?

 

[coercitiv]

wrong thread

 

[dark zero]

I want to see the performance of the 8 Core with a dGPU inside to see the limits of said chip

 

[Roland00Address]

I want to see the performance of the 8 Core with a dGPU inside to see the limits of said chip

I am interested as well, my brain was thinking about this yesterday and if the benchmarks are to be believed (I have not seen a real review like anandtech) ...

If the benchmarks are to be believed than this 15 watt n305 i3 is faster than the amd 15w ryzen 7 3700u from 4 years ago. (4 real cores, 8 threads in the AMD vs intels 8 cores, 8 threads "atom" small core architecture.)

In fact I would hazard a guess that the n305 i3 would be similar performance as the Zen 2 Ryzen 3 5300u which is a 10 to 25w chip depending on the manufactures configuration.

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Now all I said above is for CPU tasks, not integrated graphics task with the APU. But to echo what Dark Zero said I am curious what these devices are capable with when they use a discrete graphics for I am mighty curious.

 

[IntelUser2000]

You mean gaming with a dGPU?

No, iGPU. One review showed significant advantages for Alderlake-N in 2 out of the 4 tests or something. That's CPU. You can see from the utilization graphs that Tremont does not fully utilize the GPU. Alderlake-N does.

 

[dark zero]

Screw that. I like the MiniPCs.

But why not Alderlake-N in an mITX motherboard like they did with Goldmont Plus?

Alderlake-N, mITX motherboard, M.2 SSD and M.2 WiFi with PCIe x1 slot please!

I'd prefer PCIe with more lanes in order to test a dGPU in it.
If the CPU is as strong as a Skylake one, it can run decently some new games.

 

[IntelUser2000]

I'd prefer PCIe with more lanes in order to test a dGPU in it.
If the CPU is as strong as a Skylake one, it can run decently some new games.

CPU is not uniformly strong as Skylake. It's stronger in the general purpose perf/clock(meaning it has a solid architecture), but it has weaker FP and less L/S units that make it potentially weak in games. People value consistency over leading in some areas but losing in others, and losing fair bit in some few ones.

It's probably not that far behind, but 3GHz(MT) Skylake in 2023 is not something super fast either.

 

[burninatortech4]

Weird that the laptop chassis is so thick.

It has a rubberized edge (similar to my Lenovo 100e). Improves drop damage resistance. Those pesky high schoolers sure know how to shred their chromebooks if given the opportunity.

Looks like it's going for $350 now!

I was willing to be the guinea pig but they refuse to ship to Hawaii for anything less than $70

N300 8e @7w sounds really interesting. I'll be watching for cheaper options.

 

[dark zero]

CPU is not uniformly strong as Skylake. It's stronger in the general purpose perf/clock(meaning it has a solid architecture), but it has weaker FP and less L/S units that make it potentially weak in games. People value consistency over leading in some areas but losing in others, and losing fair bit in some few ones.

It's probably not that far behind, but 3GHz(MT) Skylake in 2023 is not something super fast either.

Agree that 3 Ghz Skylake is not that fast, but once we see that is an octa core, everything changes, making it very useful. Maybe for someone who uses virtual machines or doing casual gaming it might do the trick, but just needs a dGPU, even if is a entry level to make a BIG change.

 

[eek2121]

Agree that 3 Ghz Skylake is not that fast, but once we see that is an octa core, everything changes, making it very useful. Maybe for someone who uses virtual machines or doing casual gaming it might do the trick, but just needs a dGPU, even if is a entry level to make a BIG change.

IMO Intel could have had something incredible if they had launched a well binned 8 core gracemont part operating at 3-4ghz. Especially if it supported dual channel memory.

Put something like that on a really small motherboard with 8-32gb of LPDDR5 and you would have a nice little PC.

 

[Shivansps]

Alderlake-N, mITX motherboard, M.2 SSD and M.2 WiFi with PCIe x1 slot please!

You mean something like the Gigabyte N5105i H, Asus j4005i-c, the Asrock J4125-ITX or the Biostar J4105nhu but with ADL-N? They will come, but in my experience ITX boards come after they get replaced from everything else. Jasper Lake is just starting to come to ITX, that Gigabyte board is the first i saw.

Jasper Lake has in theory 8 lanes 3.0, and still Gigabyte only used 2 for the M.2 slot there and only provided 1 pcie x1 slot.

ADL-N has 9 what to me sounds like an attempt to provide 4x for a dGPU, 4x for a M2 and x1 extra, maybe wifi/ethernet. With 4x 3.0 you could actually run a low end dgpu.

 

[Roland00Address]

I am repeating myself here, several days later 🤣. But I am really curious to see the

i3-1215u aka 2p+4e, 15 watts vs the
i3-N305 aka 0p+8e, 15 watts

I am bring this up for I am seeing two 1215u laptops on sale this week, one 4gb+128gb for $260 and the other 8gb+512gb for $300. Both have horrible screens, and I do not need either, yet I am so curious (I am pleading with the universe to see a good review soon.) I really want to know everyday use how much better the +2p is vs +4e when both of these laptops have an additional 4e so we are talking 4e+2p vs 8e+0p.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I really want to know everday use how much better the +2p is vs +4e when both of these laptops have an additional 4e so we are talking 4e+2p vs 8e+0p.

i3-1215u may feel snappier in normal usage but it will also boost higher so battery won't be as good as the 8e part. ADL-N could have become the basis of an affordable 12 to 15 hour 15.6 inch laptop but it seems that Intel is feeling too shy at the moment and doesn't want to get pummeled in benchmarks against Zen2/Zen3 laptops.

 

[IntelUser2000]

i3-1215u may feel snappier in normal usage but it will also boost higher so battery won't be as good as the 8e part.

Boost does not affect battery life significantly. In lot of cases it can be beneficial. Not all though. Like if you are playing games you aren't playing half the time with twice the performance CPU.

@Roland00Address One thing about the E core platforms are the performance is exceptionally stable. The Core chips go from having say 1200 CB score to 800 in less than a minute. E cores barely budge. Maybe 5% at the worst.

Battery might be better for other reasons, such as the Alderlake-N being purposely optimized for the low frequency, also we know Alderlake has battery life issues in some cases.

It also means Alderlake-N sticks to the PL1 TDP figure, while Alder/Raptor goes to PL2. Increased cooling, thicker chassis, increased cost at the platform and device level.

 

[Geegeeoh]

i3-1215u may feel snappier in normal usage but it will also boost higher so battery won't be as good as the 8e part.

Race-to-sleep ?

3W for 1 seconds vs. 1W for 4 seconds.