Question Intel Mont thread

[igor_kavinski]

https://store.acer.com/en-us/aspire-3-laptop-a315-510p-3905

First Gracemont laptop available for sale.

Anybody got disposable $500 to buy and test this laptop?

 

[DavidC1]

Just to be sure I understood.
AVX is desirable, but in practice it's just a way to execute the same calculations that sse do, right? And because Tremont greatly improved SSE the performance uplift wouldn't be that different if it had AVX1, or something like that, right?

Gracemont is way better than Tremont, because of the much better architecture. AVX supports new instructions that SSE doesn't and in certain cases it will be better. The thing is though vast majority of applications are complex and won't benefit immensely even if it had support and took advantage of such instructions.

If Gracemont is roughly on Skylake level per clock then Tremont is Ivy Bridge.

 

[igor_kavinski]

then Tremont is Ivy Bridge.

Never thought about it that way. You are right!

Dell Inc. OptiPlex 7010 vs Intel(R) Client Systems NUC11ATKPE - Geekbench

 

[511]

32 Arctic Wolf E cores

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-prepares-32-core-grizzly-lake-platform-for-2027-auto-market-reportedly-based-on-nova-lake

 

[DZero]

And how about the consumer tier? Just go up to octa core?

 

[DavidC1]

And how about the consumer tier? Just go up to octa core?

May not even have a dedicated version at all. The successor seems to be "Wildcat Lake" which is essentially the smallest version of the Panther Lake mainstream platform:

Intel's "Wildcat Lake" Emerges as New Entry-Level Processor Series

According to recently discovered shipping manifests, Intel is developing a new processor series codenamed "Wildcat Lake," potentially succeeding their entry-level "Intel Processor" lineup based on Alder Lake-N. The documents, revealed by x86deadandback, suggest a 2025 launch timeline for these...

www.techpowerup.com

That's 2P + 4 "LPE"(similar to Lunarlake).

 

[DavidC1]

It was created because AVX(2) were rudimentary ISAs.

And I repeat, it should have been new instructions with the same 256-bit width. It doesn't need 512-bit. I bet you if AVX-512 was instead AVX-256, Skymont would have supported it with double pumping and there would have been no fragmentation. Fragmentation exists because the Skymont team is actually focused on efficiency.

Just don't.

I'll NEVER agree with the people who believe needing recompile every 2 years to support a wider vector set is not just recommended, but necessity.

And I'm glad the E core team and the ARM guys agree on this. Increasing number of FP units benefits everything 30+ years.

Sometimes it seems the IT industry believes disrupting everything and anything is a necessity, but it really is an elitist mindset and benefits primarily themselves.

 

[adroc_thurston]

And I repeat, it should have been new instructions with the same 256-bit width.

no.

I'll NEVER agree with the people who believe needing recompile every 2 years to support a wider vector set is not just recommended, but necessity.

You really need to talk to some actual real SIMD people.

And I'm glad the E core team and the ARM guys agree on this

Well neither will ever have any SIMD code running on them.

Increasing number of FP units benefits everything 30+ years.

no it didn't, FMA-wise we went from 1 to 2 where it matters and that's it.
Even Knights* thingamajigs had 2 FMA units for very obvious reasons.

 

[DZero]

May not even have a dedicated version at all. The successor seems to be "Wildcat Lake" which is essentially the smallest version of the Panther Lake mainstream platform:

Intel's "Wildcat Lake" Emerges as New Entry-Level Processor Series

According to recently discovered shipping manifests, Intel is developing a new processor series codenamed "Wildcat Lake," potentially succeeding their entry-level "Intel Processor" lineup based on Alder Lake-N. The documents, revealed by x86deadandback, suggest a 2025 launch timeline for these...

www.techpowerup.com

That's 2P + 4 "LPE"(similar to Lunarlake).

Damn.... so those 2P have HT or not?

 

[511]

Damn.... so those 2P have HT or not?

No HT but don't let it turn you off those 2P will be equal to 8E with the improvement to the node and PnP characteristic of the core

 

[DZero]

No HT but don't let it turn you off those 2P will be equal to 8E with the improvement to the node and PnP characteristic of the core

Yeah, but going "Hexa" is not as marketable as expecting.

 

[511]

Yeah, but going "Hexa" is not as marketable as expecting.

saying this Hexa is 2X faster than the previous Octa is

 

[igor_kavinski]

those 2P will be equal to 8E

I would love it if that happens but at this point, it just sounds like hyperbole to me. Has Intel confirmed anything like that?

 

[511]

I would love it if that happens but at this point, it just sounds like hyperbole to me. Has Intel confirmed anything like that?

nope but Gracemont ts Skylake Level from SKylake to Cougar Cove is big IPC improvements + nearly 3 node shrinks

 

[igor_kavinski]

nope but Gracemont ts Skylake Level from SKylake to Cougar Cove is big IPC improvements + nearly 3 node shrinks

Thanks for confirming that you are just huffing hopium

This is how everyone gets disappointed at a new CPU launch.

When you say "will be", that implies you are very sure.

 

[511]

Thanks for confirming that you are just huffing hopium

Ofc I am 🤣

This is how everyone gets disappointed at a new CPU launch.

When you say "will be", that implies you are very sure.

I am sure that 2+4LPE will be very powerful vs 8E Gracemont.