First Gracemont laptop available for sale.
Anybody got disposable $500 to buy and test this laptop?
Gracemont is way better than Tremont, because of the much better architecture. AVX supports new instructions that SSE doesn't and in certain cases it will be better. The thing is though vast majority of applications are complex and won't benefit immensely even if it had support and took advantage of such instructions.Just to be sure I understood.
AVX is desirable, but in practice it's just a way to execute the same calculations that sse do, right? And because Tremont greatly improved SSE the performance uplift wouldn't be that different if it had AVX1, or something like that, right?
Never thought about it that way. You are right!then Tremont is Ivy Bridge.
May not even have a dedicated version at all. The successor seems to be "Wildcat Lake" which is essentially the smallest version of the Panther Lake mainstream platform:And how about the consumer tier? Just go up to octa core?
And I repeat, it should have been new instructions with the same 256-bit width. It doesn't need 512-bit. I bet you if AVX-512 was instead AVX-256, Skymont would have supported it with double pumping and there would have been no fragmentation. Fragmentation exists because the Skymont team is actually focused on efficiency.It was created because AVX(2) were rudimentary ISAs.
I'll NEVER agree with the people who believe needing recompile every 2 years to support a wider vector set is not just recommended, but necessity.Just don't.
no.And I repeat, it should have been new instructions with the same 256-bit width.
You really need to talk to some actual real SIMD people.I'll NEVER agree with the people who believe needing recompile every 2 years to support a wider vector set is not just recommended, but necessity.
Well neither will ever have any SIMD code running on them.And I'm glad the E core team and the ARM guys agree on this
no it didn't, FMA-wise we went from 1 to 2 where it matters and that's it.Increasing number of FP units benefits everything 30+ years.
Damn.... so those 2P have HT or not?May not even have a dedicated version at all. The successor seems to be "Wildcat Lake" which is essentially the smallest version of the Panther Lake mainstream platform:
Intel's "Wildcat Lake" Emerges as New Entry-Level Processor Series
According to recently discovered shipping manifests, Intel is developing a new processor series codenamed "Wildcat Lake," potentially succeeding their entry-level "Intel Processor" lineup based on Alder Lake-N. The documents, revealed by x86deadandback, suggest a 2025 launch timeline for these...www.techpowerup.com
That's 2P + 4 "LPE"(similar to Lunarlake).
No HT but don't let it turn you off those 2P will be equal to 8E with the improvement to the node and PnP characteristic of the coreDamn.... so those 2P have HT or not?
saying this Hexa is 2X faster than the previous Octa isYeah, but going "Hexa" is not as marketable as expecting.
I would love it if that happens but at this point, it just sounds like hyperbole to me. Has Intel confirmed anything like that?those 2P will be equal to 8E
nope but Gracemont ts Skylake Level from SKylake to Cougar Cove is big IPC improvements + nearly 3 node shrinksI would love it if that happens but at this point, it just sounds like hyperbole to me. Has Intel confirmed anything like that?
Thanks for confirming that you are just huffing hopiumnope but Gracemont ts Skylake Level from SKylake to Cougar Cove is big IPC improvements + nearly 3 node shrinks
Ofc I am 🤣Thanks for confirming that you are just huffing hopium
I am sure that 2+4LPE will be very powerful vs 8E Gracemont.This is how everyone gets disappointed at a new CPU launch.
When you say "will be", that implies you are very sure.
Wildcat Lake is 2P+4LPE of the next generation cores. The "LPE" cores are likely arranged in a similar way to Lunarlake, where it actually adds significant multi-threaded performance while still being able to scale to very low power, unlike Meteorlake's useless LPE which could barely power local video playback.Thanks for confirming that you are just huffing hopium
The issue with these parts are always clocks. I want wanted a small system with *mont cores only, but Intel clocks them really low compared to hybrid parts.Wildcat Lake is 2P+4LPE of the next generation cores. The "LPE" cores are likely arranged in a similar way to Lunarlake, where it actually adds significant multi-threaded performance while still being able to scale to very low power, unlike Meteorlake's useless LPE which could barely power local video playback.
2P is 2x Cougar Cove, which won't be a huge gain over Lion Cove at probably 6-8% gains, but it is a huge improvement over Skylake-class cores.
Darkmont is a small(2-4%) improvement over the famed Skymont cores, which is drastically faster than the Gracemont cores.
So in the all-important single thread, Cougar Cove will annihilate 8E cores based on Gracemont, and despite lacking HT, 2P + 4LPE of greatly faster cores will be faster in MT as well.
Golden Cove = 40-50% faster per clock over Gracemont
Lion Cove = ~10% faster
Cougar Cove = ~8% faster
Plus higher clocks
You are talking 3.5+ Gracemont cores in the P setup alone. Then the 4LPE Darkmont cores should add at least 5.5 on top of that. We're already 10%+ faster than the predecessor.
The chips with mont cores only also happen to be very low TDP, which would limit the clocks as well.The issue with these parts are always clocks. I want wanted a small system with *mont cores only, but Intel clocks them really low compared to hybrid parts.
Yeah same they would be able to easily fit 8 Darkmont E cores on ring with good ST vs Very Good Multi vs 2P+4LPE Very good ST but OK Multi.The issue with these parts are always clocks. I want wanted a small system with *mont cores only, but Intel clocks them really low compared to hybrid parts.
I guess they are worried about cannibalizing bigger chip sales.
Darkmont is 18A there is no NanoFlex as for crippled ST Performance it will be around slightly higher than Raptor Cove IPCand judging by E and LP-E 4.5 GHz should be achievable.Remember, an all darkmont processor need not have crippled ST throughput. With things like fin-flex, one cluster can be flexed for higher clocks and the rest can be flexed for efficiency. They could even choose to scribe the cluster with less density if they really wanted.
I must have misread that someplace; I stand corrected. Still, just as AMD did for their Version of a hybrid architecture, it's possible to do design and implementation stage circuit layout optimizations and even throw extra transistors into the mix to allow a given logical design to clock higher.Darkmont is 18A there is no NanoFlex as for crippled ST Performance it will be around slightly higher than Raptor Cove IPCand judging by E and LP-E 4.5 GHz should be achievable.
Yeah AMD uses clear tricks like changing the Libs and metal tracks while keeping the arch mostly the same though they sacrifice clock cycles for this.I must have misread that someplace; I stand corrected. Still, just as AMD did for their Version of a hybrid architecture, it's possible to do design and implementation stage circuit layout optimizations and even throw extra transistors into the mix to allow a given logical design to clock higher.