Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

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Sweepr

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The chinese websites just published their definitive Core i7-7700K reviews and there' a lot of interesting stock + overclock tests. Expreview compared Lynnfield vs Sandy Bridge vs Ivy Bridge vs Haswell vs Skylake vs Kaby Lake - very useful data.


PConline Core i7-7700K Review

http://itbbs.pconline.com.cn/diy/53296594.html


Expreview - Core i7-7700K Review

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- Fixed 4.0 GHz



www.expreview.com/49967-all.html

 

mikk

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Kabylake supports DDR4-2400 officially but all the Kabylake reviews I have seen let them run with only DDR4-2133.
 

AtenRa

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The chinese websites just published their definitive Core i7-7700K reviews and there' a lot of interesting stock + overclock tests. Expreview compared Lynnfield vs Sandy Bridge vs Ivy Bridge vs Haswell vs Skylake vs Kaby Lake - very useful data.


PConline Core i7-7700K Review

http://itbbs.pconline.com.cn/diy/53296594.html


Expreview - Core i7-7700K Review

- Stock:









- Fixed 4.0 GHz



www.expreview.com/49967-all.html

Core i7 860 release date September 2009 at $285

7 years later and we dont even get double (2x) the performance at the same price.
Really pathetic actually if we think how performance was increasing every year up to SandyBridge (2011).
 

IntelUser2000

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Core i7 860 release date September 2009 at $285

7 years later and we dont even get double (2x) the performance at the same price.
Really pathetic actually if we think how performance was increasing every year up to SandyBridge (2011).
Desktop chips are the first victims in limits of design and physics.

The Kabylake chip in mobile is 50 to 70% faster than Sandy Bridge based U chip. It's 20% faster than 35W M chip. That's in 2011 mind you.

Against a 2009 M chip, its nearly 50% faster. Against U it's 150% faster.

All the while battery life increased more than 100%.

It's true architectural benefits are greater in the low end so with i5s it's even greater, and Celeron and Pentiums even more so. It seems to be true with lower TDPs.
 

AtenRa

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Desktop chips are the first victims in limits of design and physics.

The Kabylake chip in mobile is 50 to 70% faster than Sandy Bridge based U chip. It's 20% faster than 35W M chip. That's in 2011 mind you.

Against a 2009 M chip, its nearly 50% faster. Against U it's 150% faster.

All the while battery life increased more than 100%.

It's true architectural benefits are greater in the low end so with i5s it's even greater, and Celeron and Pentiums even more so. It seems to be true with lower TDPs.

As I have said so many times before, from 2011 onward we are using Mobile CPUs in Desktop. Yes mobile have seen the biggest increases in performance the last 6-7 years but unfortunately im not gaming on a 15W-35W TDP laptop.
 

LTC8K6

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$285 for the 860 in 2009 is about $321.00 today.
$305 for the 870 in 2009 is about $343.00 today.

So that's a 6700K price.

So I would say prices are roughly the same today as in 2009 for these chips.
You are getting a ton more performance today for the money, imo.
 

AtenRa

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$285 for the 860 in 2009 is about $321.00 today.
$305 for the 870 in 2009 is about $343.00 today.

So that's a 6700K price.

So I would say prices are roughly the same today as in 2009 for these chips.
You are getting a ton more performance today for the money, imo.

As i have said before, 7 years later and we only get 50-60% on average more performance than in 2009 for the same price. Pathetic no matter how you look at it.

Take Core 2 duo E6600 launched July 2006 at $315, then we got Core 2 Quad 6600 at $266 one year later in August 2007, then in Q1 2008 we got the Core 2 Quad 9450 at $266 and just 8-10 months later in Q4 2008 we got Core i7 920 at $284.
From Summer of 2006 to December of 2008 we got more than double the performance at the same price, what a ride.
 
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As i have said before, 7 years later and we only get 50-60% on average more performance than in 2009 for the same price. Pathetic no matter how you look at it.

Take Core 2 duo E6600 launched July 2006 at $315, then we got Core 2 Quad 6600 at $266 one year later in August 2007, then in Q1 2008 we got the Core 2 Quad 9450 at $266 and just 8-10 months later in Q4 2008 we got Core i7 920 at $284.
From Summer of 2006 to December of 2008 we got more than double the performance at the same price, what a ride.

Mostly because of more cores...

Coffee Lake will give you your ~50% boost, but more cores is really a once-every-five-years thing because software is slow to take advantage of more cores.
 

IntelUser2000

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As i have said before, 7 years later and we only get 50-60% on average more performance than in 2009 for the same price. Pathetic no matter how you look at it.

It is quite pathetic, I agree. Same with their Iris Pro GPUs too(IMO they should have been 3x as fast 2 years ago. At some point though, we have to accept it can't be just incompetence or artificial crippling. Mobile is proof that they genuinely can't do much for top end performance anymore. Progress is slow and linear, except in computers. Now its same with computers. They say they use dozens of materials in the periodic table to fabricate chips nowadays, when just a few years ago it was a handful. It'll be very hard to accept. Imagine the same thing 30 years from now.
 

Ajay

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It is quite pathetic, I agree. Same with their Iris Pro GPUs too(IMO they should have been 3x as fast 2 years ago. At some point though, we have to accept it can't be just incompetence or artificial crippling. Mobile is proof that they genuinely can't do much for top end performance anymore. Progress is slow and linear, except in computers. Now its same with computers. They say they use dozens of materials in the periodic table to fabricate chips nowadays, when just a few years ago it was a handful. It'll be very hard to accept. Imagine the same thing 30 years from now.

I think the lack of progress in iGPU has more to do with what the market will pay. Customers who aren't gaming don't really care about iGPU performance (clearly the case with corp. customers) - so there is no reason for Intel to expend more die space for improved performance. Customers who game just buy a system with a dGPU.
 

IntelUser2000

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I think the lack of progress in iGPU has more to do with what the market will pay. Customers who aren't gaming don't really care about iGPU performance (clearly the case with corp. customers) - so there is no reason for Intel to expend more die space for improved performance. Customers who game just buy a system with a dGPU.

They annoying part is discrete chips are just as cheap. Iris Pro also has less perf/watt and has less battery life. No wonder no one used them.
 
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