Intel has managed to turn overclocking into a salable feature. Props to 'em.
I'm mostly negative about it because Intel has made a mockery of what old school OCing once stood for: cost effectiveness. I rather just have a G4560 and a RX470 for almost the price of a 7350K with very dubious CPU advantages, while a 470 will pay itself off in 6 months through mining.
You keep talking more like an investor than an enthusiast! But you are right most of the time.. :/Intel has managed to turn overclocking into a salable feature. Props to 'em.
You keep talking more like an investor than an enthusiast! But you are right most of the time.. :/
A note of dissent: At the moment this precept is not operating as it usually would, since there is no competition in the desktop space, and therefore nowhere else to turn.Businesses make money by offering stuff that people find valuable -- if they don't and people think they're getting ripped off, then they just won't buy it, and the business won't make money.
Re: unlocked SKUs, think about it. Intel charges, what, $30 more compared to the locked counterparts, but for that $30, you get something that's clocked higher out of the box and can be pushed to higher speeds manually.
So Intel wins by making that extra $30, and consumers win because let's be real, that extra $30 can buy you a lot of extra performance.
A note of dissent: At the moment this precept is not operating as it usually would, since there is no competition in the desktop space, and therefore nowhere else to turn.
A note of dissent: At the moment this precept is not operating as it usually would, since there is no competition in the desktop space, and therefore nowhere else to turn.
It's impossible to say what the relative value proposition is today compared to then though, since today a vitally important piece of data is absent.Intel had "K" SKUs in 2009, when they had viable competition in the form of the Phenom II.
Intel has managed to turn overclocking into a salable feature. Props to 'em.
Well, it's kind of a give-and-take. Enthusiasts/consumers want cool new features for as cheaply as possible, businesses want to make as much as possible.
Businesses make money by offering stuff that people find valuable -- if they don't and people think they're getting ripped off, then they just won't buy it, and the business won't make money.
Re: unlocked SKUs, think about it. Intel charges, what, $30 more compared to the locked counterparts, but for that $30, you get something that's clocked higher out of the box and can be pushed to higher speeds manually.
So Intel wins by making that extra $30, and consumers win because let's be real, that extra $30 can buy you a lot of extra performance.
Only in monopolies
Wouldn't the 4C/8T parts with the likely cheaper middle/low end AM4 chipsets also create some opportunity for competing there?Well, I would be willing to bet that even if Zen is competitive, it doesnt change Intel's marketing of "k" chips. The only place where I see a big problem with pricing for intel is the 8 and 10 core HEDT chips. Those are outrageously overpriced and AMD has a great opportunity to market a competitive chip at a few hundred dollars cheaper. But for the rest of the line up, I dont really see AMD forcing prices down.
Depends on price and performance of course. But they will be competing against Intel's best architecture and process node at a much more reasonable price (for the intel chips *and* motherboards) in contrast to the HEDT chips. Maybe they will sell 4C/8T at an i5 price, but I think they will have a harder time to match 7700k performance than they will to get close enough to the 8 core HEDT.Wouldn't the 4C/8T parts with the likely cheaper middle/low end AM4 chipsets also create some opportunity for competing there?
Well, I would be willing to bet that even if Zen is competitive, it doesnt change Intel's marketing of "k" chips. The only place where I see a big problem with pricing for intel is the 8 and 10 core HEDT chips. Those are outrageously overpriced and AMD has a great opportunity to market a competitive chip at a few hundred dollars cheaper. But for the rest of the line up, I dont really see AMD forcing prices down.
The E3's are a lot less interesting than they used to be now that they won't run on common boards anymore. I'd get one if this were not so.Xeon E3-1200 v6 Kaby Lake goes on sale
www.computerbase.de/2017-01/intel-kaby-lake-xeon-e3-1200-v6/
www.heise.de/preisvergleich/?cat=cpuppro&xf=596_Kaby+Lake
Just a heads up, Skylake-based Xeon E3-1230 v5 can be found for $259. For $10 more than a Core i5-7600K you're getting a CPU that's identical to Core i7-6700 - minus the iGPU, it doesn't have one (not a problem if you always use discrete). A 4C/8T will be faster than a +400 MHz higher clocked 4C/4T in many applications/games. Quick search indicates the cheapest C232/C236 motherboards can be found for as low as $75.
- Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X cache structure has been adjusted to make it more balanced and improve performance
- These are K processors, not X - does this mean there's a faster model coming later?
I'm just wondering if Intel is planning on doing away with 1s support on Skylake-EP, i.e. no single socket server boards?
Some Skylake-X, Kaby-Lake X and Coffee Lake-S information, thanks to BenchLife!
With the X299 chipset motherboard, Intel plans to release Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X in August
- Intel will not announce new chips at Computex 2016
- Motherboard manufacturers will showcase some of the new X299 motherboards (Computex 2016)
- The Basin Falls platform, including LGA 2066 and the new HEDT CPUs Skylake-X & Kaby Lake-X will be available in August - official launch at Gamescom between August 22-26
- Four models initially: 140W TDP 6C, 8C and 10C (Skylake-X) + 112W TDP 4C (Kaby Lake-X)
- Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X cache structure has been adjusted to make it more balanced and improve performance
- These are K processors, not X - does this mean there's a faster model coming later?
- Memory support: Up to 4-channel DDR4-2667, Intel Optane Technology support
- Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X will be part of the Core i7-7000 family
- 6C Coffee Lake-S will be announced Q1-2018
- Coffee Lake-S will have 35W, 65 and 95W products
https://benchlife.info/intel-will-not-announce-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-with-x299-in-computex-01222017
Looks like Coffee Lake-S is coming sooner than an user here expected (Q3-Q4/2018). One year after Kaby Lake-S looks like a real possibility.