Intel+Skype=More Conference Calling

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Intel's mantra: Let's make a deal
By Tom Krazit
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: February 13, 2006, 4:00 AM PST

Would you avoid buying a PC with an Advanced Micro Devices chip inside because it wouldn't let you host an Internet conference call with six of your friends?

Chip giant Intel is betting that at least some people would. Last week, Intel cut a deal with voice over Internet Protocol provider Skype that calls for the VoIP company to provide advanced conference-calling features exclusively on PCs that run Intel chips. As long as the deal is in place, it could effectively keep customers who want to take advantage of multiperson conference calls from going with AMD-based machines.

Though few would argue that a niche feature like that is going to be a deal breaker for most PC buyers, the importance of the Skype-Intel alliance goes well beyond VoIP conferencing. Indeed, it's the latest, and certainly most prominent, example of Intel's new take on marketing: Lock in software partners as well as the PC makers.

Intel executives have talked at length over the past few years about moving past a marketing strategy that emphasizes chip speeds and power above all else. Paul Otellini, now Intel's chief executive, got the new effort rolling in 1999 when, as executive vice president and general manager of the Intel Architecture Group, he created operating groups that focused on developing software and finding new uses for Intel's products, said Bill Kircos, an Intel spokesman.

Expect more of these exclusive pacts as Intel takes a brass-knuckles approach to its long-running feud with AMD, particularly as Intel's Viiv platform strategy of bundling home-entertainment software with its chips shifts into high gear over the next few months.

Intel executives believe they can use their considerable software resources to improve the performance of processing-intensive applications such as VoIP and home entertainment by working with software application developers to help them understand how Intel's chips process data.

In the process, moves like the Skype deal, which will run for a limited but undisclosed period of time, are a way to block AMD from landing customers who want to use applications such as Skype's 10-user conferencing.

Not surprisingly, AMD is already crying foul. AMD officials claim this is just another example of Intel using its sheer size to decide where AMD is allowed to compete, reinforcing the notion that Intel doesn't play fair. AMD charged in a 2005 antitrust compliant that Intel uses its marketing programs in a selective manner to punish companies who have used AMD's chips, or to reward companies like Dell who have cut exclusive deals with Intel--claims Intel has strongly denied.

Performance in the eye of the beholder
In the past, Intel has set its products apart and improved the performance of applications such as games by adding new hardware instructions to its chips, said Kevin Krewell, editor in chief of The Microprocessor Report.

But there are no specific instructions in Intel's current Pentium D or Core Duo chips that enhance the performance of VoIP applications, an Intel representative said. Skype is using an operation called "Get CPU ID" to identify the type of processor running on the PC. The Skype software has been preset to only accept Intel's chips as having the performance necessary to host conference calls of more than five people, the representative said.

Almost all applications running on any PC perform the Get CPU ID operation as the system boots, said Dean McCarron, principal analyst with Mercury Research. That operation determines what type of processor is in the system and what performance features are available to the application, he said.

Critics contend that if there are no instructions dedicated to VoIP applications in Intel's chips, it's unlikely that Intel's dual-core chips are demonstrably more powerful than AMD's when it comes to hosting VoIP conference calls. In fact, third-party reviewers gave AMD dual-core chips an edge over Intel's last year, though Intel has closed the gap with the recent introduction of the Core Duo processor.

Henry Gomez, general manager of Skype North America, declined to comment on whether the company compared the performance of the two chips head-to-head on its software. A Skype representative later declined to comment on the company's relationship with AMD in general.

By the end of 2006, Intel is scheduled to release two PC chips, Merom and Conroe, that the company believes will tilt the performance balance back in its favor, Kircos said. For its part, AMD won't sit still in 2006; it's also planning to improve the performance of its chips. If there's no clear-cut winner on a performance basis, the product marketing strategy shifts to specific applications and content.

Viiv sets the stage
Viiv is a collection of dual-core processors, multimedia chipsets and software designed to enhance the performance of games, streaming movies and other home entertainment applications. Viiv PCs are rolling out from PC makers this year accompanied by links to special content, such as high-definition highlights of NBC's Olympics coverage, a lure announced by Intel earlier this year at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.

That content is currently available to just about any PC, but Intel is extending the verification concept it advanced with the Centrino platform to Viiv. Intel verified that more than 90,000 hot spots worldwide would work reliably with Centrino laptops. It plans to do the same with Viiv, guaranteeing that certain content and home entertainment applications will run smoothly on Viiv PCs.

Given the Skype example, analysts say it wouldn't be a stretch for Intel to take the further step of using its marketing clout to secure exclusive content and software that will work only on Viiv PCs.

A similar strategy has worked very well for new Intel partner DirecTV, which has the exclusive rights to let football fans watch every National Football League game, under its NFL Sunday Ticket service. Any football fan with a television set can watch NFL games featuring their local teams, but those viewers can't watch games that feature cities outside of their designated geographic region unless they have a DirecTV satellite dish and pay extra for the Sunday Ticket. Intel and DirecTV plan to release a Viiv PC later this year that can accept content from DirecTV's satellites.

Savvy marketing or unfair competition?
AMD executives argue that any exclusivity clauses in Intel's partnerships are nothing more than an extension of its so-called market development funds, which provide PC makers with marketing money in exchange for displaying an Intel logo on their boxes, said Hal Speed, a marketing architect with AMD.

Intel's Kircos declined to comment on whether Skype was provided with marketing funds in exchange for making the multiperson conference calling feature exclusive to Intel under a similar program. But Intel's engineers did do the work needed to tweak Skype's software to accept Intel's chips as the default processor for those types of conference calls, he said.
Intel and Skype's deal is for a limited time only, Gomez said, after which AMD is expected to get a crack at opening up its chips to the advanced conference calling feature. But by moving first, Intel has seized the opportunity to paint itself as the preferred platform for Skype, much the same way gaming console makers fight to secure the initial release of sought-after games or cell phone providers pursue hot new phones.

"Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" was released in the U.S. on Sony's PlayStation 2 console in 2002 before making its way to the PC and Microsoft's Xbox in 2003. That limited exclusivity for one of the hottest video games ever released was a boon for PlayStation 2 sales, and Sony currently enjoys a dominant position in the console market, even though the Xbox and a standard PC are considered more powerful devices.

The same could soon be true for the PC market, which has always been about performance even as Intel has retreated from its strategy of emphasizing clock speed as the ultimate indicator of processing power. "If the technology is close enough that it becomes a wash in the consumer's mind, it could be the content that makes the buying decision clearer," Krewell said.
 

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i foretell AMD getting ready to nail Intel to hell with a giant lawsuite. i mean if they sued them for not competing fairly, now intel had better get ready to go to court. i also believe this is illegal although i could be mistaken. anyway, i bet AMD is getting ready to sue intel, and probablly skype as well. let's see what happens.
 

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Originally posted by: ForumMaster
i foretell AMD getting ready to nail Intel to hell with a giant lawsuite. i mean if they sued them for not competing fairly, now intel had better get ready to go to court. i also believe this is illegal although i could be mistaken. anyway, i bet AMD is getting ready to sue intel, and probablly skype as well. let's see what happens.


:thumbsup:
 

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Originally posted by: ForumMaster
i foretell AMD getting ready to nail Intel to hell with a giant lawsuite. i mean if they sued them for not competing fairly, now intel had better get ready to go to court. i also believe this is illegal although i could be mistaken. anyway, i bet AMD is getting ready to sue intel, and probablly skype as well. let's see what happens.

How is it illegal? It reminds me a bit of EA Sports cutting a deal with the NFL so that they are the only ones who can use the players/teams/etc.. I realize they are two completely different things, but they seem similar in my head.
 

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Originally posted by: ForumMaster
i foretell AMD getting ready to nail Intel to hell with a giant lawsuite. i mean if they sued them for not competing fairly, now intel had better get ready to go to court. i also believe this is illegal although i could be mistaken. anyway, i bet AMD is getting ready to sue intel, and probablly skype as well. let's see what happens.

what was the result of this first lawsuit you mention?
 

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It sounds somewhat like monopolization. Intel is making it so that ONLY their chips work with certain applications, instantly cutting AMD out of the market.
 

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MS got slapped with a similar situation.

Trying to use marketing muscle to limit competition.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
MS got slapped with a similar situation.

Trying to use marketing muscle to limit competition.

They've been doing it for a long ass time. And they continue to.
 

ultimatebob

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Skype is pretty much screwing themselves by adding an artificial limitation to systems with AMD processors. If I had a need to do a 6 way confrence call and Skype won't let me do it, I'll just use another product. It's not like there isn't a dozen other VOIP programs out there that can do this.
 

theeedude

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Seems like a dumb move. Skype will lose customers, I certainly will stop using it. Plus Intel is going to end up looking like it's lost the performance edge so it's trying to resort to these underhanded tricks, and it will get sued for antitrust violations. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if some country out there forced Skype to provide both Intel and AMD compatible version due to antitrust concerns. And on top of that, who are we kidding, this will be hacked to work on AMD in less than 24 hrs
 

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Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Skype is pretty much screwing themselves by adding an artificial limitation to systems with AMD processors. If I had a need to do a 6 way confrence call and Skype won't let me do it, I'll just use another product. It's not like there isn't a dozen other VOIP programs out there that can do this.

Yep, no better way to screw yourself than by alienating a large segment of the market.
 

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Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Skype is pretty much screwing themselves by adding an artificial limitation to systems with AMD processors. If I had a need to do a 6 way confrence call and Skype won't let me do it, I'll just use another product. It's not like there isn't a dozen other VOIP programs out there that can do this.

Yep, no better way to screw yourself than by alienating a large segment of the market.

Now I don't have numbers, but I don't think that AMD owners are not a large segement of the market.
Especially not in the conference call market either. When was the last time you used a conference call at home, on your home phone? (I guess if you work from home it's quite recently, but really, what % of people work at home as opposed to at a corporate office)

As for being part of an anti trust suit, probably not. Skype is not the sole voip provider out there, so there is definitely competition.

All in all, I would say a smart move for intel for keeping corporate consumers, but as you guys have shown, probably not such a popular move among enthusiasts.
 

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Is it possible that those who would benefit from more than 5 way calling (except for business persons) might be more on the side of being technically competent and thus would have and AMD processor and not just use Skype at all.

Like what on earth does Skype think they have that no one else does? This makes absolutely no sense in a competative/saturated market.
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: RossMAN
I :heart: Skype.

Don't forget to list your Skype username :thumbsup:

But do you, and everyone you talk to use Intel?

Nope.

There are a few Mac users, and the rest are split pretty evenly between AMD/Intel.

I'm glad you came into this thread because I know you use skype a lot.

How would this impact the way you do what you do on Skype? Would you change services if they implemented this?
 

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: ForumMaster
i foretell AMD getting ready to nail Intel to hell with a giant lawsuite. i mean if they sued them for not competing fairly, now intel had better get ready to go to court. i also believe this is illegal although i could be mistaken. anyway, i bet AMD is getting ready to sue intel, and probablly skype as well. let's see what happens.

How is it illegal? It reminds me a bit of EA Sports cutting a deal with the NFL so that they are the only ones who can use the players/teams/etc.. I realize they are two completely different things, but they seem similar in my head.
i reailize that others have already answered your question, but what intel is doing is violating antitrust laws. they are effectively making thier product work only on one kind of CPU. this is illegal and AMD will sure for sure. Just like when the EU forced MS to sell versions of their OS without Internet Explorer and WMP. need i say more?
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: RossMAN
I :heart: Skype.

Don't forget to list your Skype username :thumbsup:

But do you, and everyone you talk to use Intel?

Nope.

There are a few Mac users, and the rest are split pretty evenly between AMD/Intel.

I'm glad you came into this thread because I know you use skype a lot.

How would this impact the way you do what you do on Skype? Would you change services if they implemented this?

If another competitor came along offering comparable services at a fair price I'd jump ship in a heart beat. I don't see that happening anytime soon. However I use my laptop (Dell 700m - Pentium M) 99.99% of the time at home, so I don't really have a choice of CPU.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: RossMAN
I :heart: Skype.

Don't forget to list your Skype username :thumbsup:

But do you, and everyone you talk to use Intel?

Nope.

There are a few Mac users, and the rest are split pretty evenly between AMD/Intel.

I'm glad you came into this thread because I know you use skype a lot.

How would this impact the way you do what you do on Skype? Would you change services if they implemented this?

If another competitor came along offering comparable services at a fair price I'd jump ship in a heart beat. I don't see that happening anytime soon. However I use my laptop (Dell 700m - Pentium M) 99.99% of the time at home, so I don't really have a choice of CPU.

guess you can't use VIIV either
 
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