Intel Xeon Question

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MisterMac

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Yea, i had a feeling you budget was constrained alot.
You can't really get better than a 1155 E3.

Now your need to ask yourself how you feel about Overclocking.
There's a new Version 2 of the E3 line coming out.

v2 of E3-1290 is going to be 3,7 GHZ - 4.1GHZ turbo.
Generally all get a +100mhz boost.



HOWEVER:

Since your on the mainstream platform, you could easily get a 2700k/2600k
with nearly ANY COOLER and clock that baby up to 4,5 and beyond.

Your best choice of action IMHO:

Get a 2600k/2700k - Get a Noctua NH-D14 (Settle with fans coming with it - you dont need the extra few TDP/Degrees, you just need 90%).
Instantly clock up to 4,7/4.8 - once stable try lower voltage til your around 1.350 and below (Maybe you get a lucky chip )

Try and save abit on the motherboard department.
You do not need much - we know SB OC's magicly even "non quality boards".

Case:
Try save here again - you don't really need a gaming case.
You won't have a GPU and the DH-14 should take care of everything.

Go for a 510, cherryville SSD Intel.
(It's 500 USD for a 256 gb, so save some cash elsewhere).
I'd imagine you need reliability for gaussian - so this is a must imho
+ better I/O. Intels firmware wins as anand said it.

Ram:
You've selected 4GB sticks.
That won't fly if you want 32 GB - just so your aware.
your ram costs should increase, if you want 8 GB sticks.



You can only focus your efforts on I/O and raw cycle speed.
The 8MB cache isn't ideal for your workload in optimal conditions but comparing to your single core Xeon's - you will get at minimum 3 probably 5 times faster times on your workload.

It's all you can do.
Atm any E5 Sandy or 5600 Nehalem/westmere based server will most likely cost you more - once you get disks and ram dimm's inside.
(Especially if you get ECC buffered).

I don't really know prices in america, only northern europe and a new box wether 1U or Tower will cost significantly more with disks/ram and a E5 even E3.

I don't think you can do it better.
 
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blckgrffn

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If this needs to run flat out a month at a crack, I don't think anything but ECC ram is going to suffice... not to mention that OC'ing is probably not a good idea, either.

I do agree that the case and fans are probably overkill. This isn't going to pull near the power (or need near the cooling) that your old boxes do.

By the fastest Xeon that you budget allows, IMHO. Fill the rest in around that.
 

crazymonkeyzero

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I don't think you linked to the right memory . . .

Also, how do your jobs break down? one big job that runs for months? 6 parallel jobs?
Sorry about that,The memory is the 8gb kingston stick( I will buying 4 for a total of 32gb for $260)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820139140
And we don't run multiple jobs between parallel par say, but instead have each computer doing multiple jobs independent of each other simultaneously.
 

crazymonkeyzero

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Since your on the mainstream platform, you could easily get a 2700k/2600k
with nearly ANY COOLER and clock that baby up to 4,5 and beyond.

Your best choice of action IMHO:

Get a 2600k/2700k - Get a Noctua NH-D14 (Settle with fans coming with it - you dont need the extra few TDP/Degrees, you just need 90%).
Instantly clock up to 4,7/4.8 - once stable try lower voltage til your around 1.350 and below (Maybe you get a lucky chip )
Go for a 510, cherryville SSD Intel.
(It's 500 USD for a 256 gb, so save some cash elsewhere).
I'd imagine you need reliability for gaussian - so this is a must imho
+ better I/O. Intels firmware wins as anand said it.

I can't go with intel core i7 SB series because of the hard and fast requirement for ECC memory.So Xeon is the only stuff I can use. But do you know if the ivy bridge based xeons will be much better? I have to make this computer around between May and June, so will they be out by then? Also, is overclocking safe for scientific calculations, or will they introduce errors. I've never heard them being used for these kinds of things. And that intel SSD you mentioned I believe is this correct? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820167086
 

tynopik

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Sorry about that,The memory is the 8gb kingston stick( I will buying 4 for a total of 32gb for $260)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820139140

that is registered memory and won't work in the socket 1155 system

8GB unbuffered ECC memory is very difficult to find and very expensive

And we don't run multiple jobs between parallel par say, but instead have each computer doing multiple jobs independent of each other simultaneously.

ok, so would it maybe be more cost effective to get 2 lesser machines instead of 1 super machine?

how many machines can you split your workload between? if you can get by with 16GB, it might be more cost effective to get a whole mess of i3-2120 systems (which also support ECC but only dual core)
 

blckgrffn

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that is registered memory and won't work in the socket 1155 system



ok, so would it maybe be more cost effective to get 2 lesser machines instead of 1 super machine?

how many machines can you split your workload between? if you can get by with 16GB, it might be more cost effective to get a whole mess of i3-2120 systems (which also support ECC but only dual core)

They support ECC? Just like one random i3 SKU? Really? :awe: if true! (not doubting, just incredulous @ Intel for such weirdness)
 

tynopik

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$170 Intel S1200BTS uATX Server Motherboard LGA 1155
$210 E3-1220 3.1GHz quad core
$136 ($34*4) Kingston 4GB DDR3 1333 ECC Unbuffered
$160 Samsung 830 128GB SSD
$70 Western Digital Caviar Blue WD2500AAKX 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard
$35 Antec EarthWatts Green EA-430D
$32 APEX SK-393-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower
$27 Cooler Master Hyper 212

$840

don't install windows

3 of them (12 cores total) for 2520

cons: only 16GB, 'only' 128GB SSD (gaussian docs say scratch disk usage can be up to 130GB, but that is heavily dependent on jobs you run, and you can limit it)
 
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crazymonkeyzero

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Yeah I can't find 8gb sticks of unbuffered, so I'll probably have to go to go with 32gb via socket 2011 e5 2620, or 16gb on 1155. Another option I was thinking of was going with socket 2011, like I had planned originally and instead buying the higher clocked 6 core E5-2630 (2.3ghz-turbo 2.8ghz) and 16gb of unbuffered ddr3 ram.We could probably still run calculations at nocticibly high speeds with that, since our best computer right now has 12gb of ddr2 memory and runs old dual xeons ( i believe it was the xeons that came right before socket 1366 processors hit the market). It will be easy to upgrade to 32gb later in the future, maybe in a year, but the performance would still be a huge improvement from what we have now (I'm hoping 3x increase) I'm not particularly a fan of using the i3, as the cpu is way too slow for my purposes and compared to what is available, (although it probably matches the dual sockets in I have now in speed lol)

mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131798
cpu:
http://ark.intel.com/products/64593...5-2630-(15M-Cache-2_30-GHz-7_20-GTs-Intel-QPI) ($620)
 

tynopik

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I don't think that board (or any x79 board) supports ECC. They might 'support' it in the sense that you can use it, but it won't be functional

you would need something like this

since our best computer right now has 12gb of ddr2 memory

then you should be able to get by with 16gb easily

in that case, i would recommend 2 of the E3 systems i specced out. Those will probably give you the best bang for your buck
 
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