Intelligent Design vs Evolution

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
Haha look at that 1/4th of you believe in creation. Meanwhile 3/4ths don't fall for it.



Happy to see the religious right hasn't taken control of the states yet.

Stop, you're scaring me!

http://www.wellingtongrey.net/miscellan...-01-15%20--%20science%20vs%20faith.png

 

[Tash]

All I know is humans are clearly fallen. We never improve. There is clearly evil. And, we wear clothes, because we ashamed of our nakedness. That alone sets us apart from the animals.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Tash
All I know is humans are clearly fallen. We never improve. There is clearly evil. And, we wear clothes, because we ashamed of our nakedness. That alone sets us apart from the animals.

No, it's just that so many animals are better looking than people. Dogs, cats, wolves, dolphins, snails, horny toads...

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Tash
All I know is humans are clearly fallen. We never improve. There is clearly evil. And, we wear clothes, because we ashamed of our nakedness. That alone sets us apart from the animals.

i wish jessica alba was less ashamed of her nakedness

 

[thraashman]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Tash
All I know is humans are clearly fallen. We never improve. There is clearly evil. And, we wear clothes, because we ashamed of our nakedness. That alone sets us apart from the animals.

i wish jessica alba was less ashamed of her nakedness

I declare you the winner of this thread!

 

[Coldkilla]

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Tash
All I know is humans are clearly fallen. We never improve. There is clearly evil. And, we wear clothes, because we ashamed of our nakedness. That alone sets us apart from the animals.

i wish jessica alba was less ashamed of her nakedness

I declare you the winner of this thread!

I declare that funny as hell. No Pun Intended

 

[IEC]

For the last time, no one cares what anyone else thinks about creation, evolution, ID/etc. It's your belief and if you're set in your beliefs it profits no one to bicker about.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
For the last time, no one cares what anyone else thinks about creation, evolution, ID/etc. It's your belief and if you're set in your beliefs it profits no one to bicker about.

Macs are better built than PCs.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
For the last time, no one cares what anyone else thinks about creation, evolution, ID/etc. It's your belief and if you're set in your beliefs it profits no one to bicker about.

Macs are better built than PCs.

Coke > Pepsi

 

[Paratus]

Evolutionist Abortionist Democrats for Intel based Macs with Nvidia! FTW!

BTW congrats to everyone who pwned dirtboy that guy is reality challenged :thumbsup:

 

[oldman420]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: Tuktuk
What you don't understand, dirtboy, is nobody feels the need to present the evidence in detail here because it is widely available for any person with half a brain to read. Your claim is equivalent to saying the Earth is flat and because none of us on these forums are providing evidence to the contrary, it must be flat. When in fact the Earth is round, and because that is so extremely obvious to any individual with even the slightest bit of intelligence, or any stupid individual who chooses to take the time to actually read the evidence supporting that claim, there is simply no need to argue about the widely accepted fact.

So it is easier to stand behind facts you can't prove? I went to college, read the books, I saw the museums, and unlike you, who mindlessly spoonfed the information in, I challenged it. And what I see and continue to see is major flaws.

So now you say I am dumb because I do not believe in the blind faith of evolution, like you. Sad... I ask you to prove it and you can't.

And if was widely accepted, why do scientists and evolutionists say otherwise? That is contradictory to what you have said. Show me the facts... now you are just running away and insulting me on your way out. Is that what you normally do when proven wrong?

"ARE YOU IGNORING EVERYTHING BEING SAID? CAN'T YOU SEE THAT YOUR MATH IS WRONG? AT LEAST 20 POSTS HAVE PORVED YOUR MATH IS WRONG, BUT OF COURSE, YOU CAN'T RESPOND TO THEM BECAUSE THEN YOU'D HAVE TO ADMIT YOUR WRONG! OMG, ARTICLE AFTER ARTICLE IS PUT IN YOUR FACE AND YOU IGNORE IT ALL, PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE REASON RELIGON STILL EXITSTS, BLINDED BY AN UNPROVABLE FAITH!"



Thats what I would say if i was a troll, but i'm not. Can you just admit that you can't prove your theory, and you can't disprove evolution? Just deal, live, and let live...


And the all those people who yelled at the people who said this is only a flamebait thread, you see? Religon vs Science always turns out this way.

Dirtboy i have to hand it to you you have seemingly remained steadfast to your views with a reasonableness that is amazing. Despite you calling this thread troll bait I was educated by all of the interesting facts and links presented by all of the also strangely polite counterpoint by all of the other members! thanks to all for a great discussion

 

[MrK6]

Wow, forget the sarcastic approach: I just read back to some of the things dirtboy said, I think his stupidity made me die a little inside. You would think if five and more people told you you had no clue what the hell you were talking about, you would stop, go read some literature on what we're discussing, and then come to a better understanding and maybe contribute to the discussion.

 

[3NF]

Originally posted by: Juddog

^^ Quoted for truth. ID is a farce that was created to try and push religion into the public school system. It has already been exposed as a farce, anybody who treats it otherwise is just clueless.

Atheist ID theory is not trying to push religion into the public school system ... far from it In a nutshell, it's basically saying that all life on this planet was genetically engineered by aliens.

Man will do the same some day, starting with creating some simple unicellular organism. Then, he'll figure out that if I tweak this or do that, I can make this. Eventually, he'll create man in his own image.

So now we'll have some life that evolved, and some that was intelligently designed. We all win!

 

[loic2003]

/thread.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: loic2003
/thread.

Wow, I'm religious and I still find that hysterical.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: loic2003
/thread.

Way to repost, but worth a second look nonetheless.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Tash
All I know is humans are clearly fallen. We never improve. There is clearly evil. And, we wear clothes, because we ashamed of our nakedness. That alone sets us apart from the animals.

i wear clothes because i get cold or sunburnt otherwise.

 

[Coldkilla]

I agree with someone who said something above.

Stop yappin. If you believe something someone else doesn't.... why do you religious/non-religious people complain about it? If they don't believe in your God, or any God... and you are convinced they will go to Hell.. Fine, then you can laugh about it in the comfort of your home. The non-religious people can laugh at the reglious people's "Gods" and laugh at what a waste of time that is.

 

[loic2003]

Just had a read through the thread and can conclude that dirtboy is indeed a fool. He's basically falling on the argument that evolution is a scientific theory, not a complete fact, despite the fact that it's as waterproof as anything. He's been shown to have a child's level of understanding of the required fields and sounds like he's just bleating out what some preacher has said to him. He's a useful example of what intellectual community has to work with, but I dare say he may be useful. By having a pedantic, close minded imbecile pick up on every little detail and try to use it against a sound theory ensures that standards are kept high. The same way greenpeace's sometimes idiotic actions often keeps the government on the striaght and level.

By the same rule, I'd be interested to see if dirtboy believes in gravity? Has he dropped every single rock/atom to be sure that all mass is attrated to all mass? Until this is completed, documented and proven, gravity remains just a theory. yeah, there's an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the theory, but it's not completely proven.




Motion to ban dirtboy in order to bump average IQ levels up a few notches.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
I agree with someone who said something above.

Stop yappin. If you believe something someone else doesn't.... why do you religious/non-religious people complain about it? If they don't believe in your God, or any God... and you are convinced they will go to Hell.. Fine, then you can laugh about it in the comfort of your home. The non-religious people can laugh at the reglious people's "Gods" and laugh at what a waste of time that is.

i'm sure each side would say the other is ruining our country and that we have to live with politicians/schools/society forcing one or the other down our throats, etc.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I do not believe intelligent design and evolution are mutually exclusive. If God is omniscient and omnipotent, God designed and can control evolution. However, I personally do not believe God does control evolution because his greatest gift to man was choice.

It is man's responsibility to husband the environment as he sees fit. We can only hope we don't screw ourselves beyond the extreme flexibility of the evolution God has designed.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: Coldkilla
I agree with someone who said something above.

Stop yappin. If you believe something someone else doesn't.... why do you religious/non-religious people complain about it? If they don't believe in your God, or any God... and you are convinced they will go to Hell.. Fine, then you can laugh about it in the comfort of your home. The non-religious people can laugh at the reglious people's "Gods" and laugh at what a waste of time that is.

It becomes a problem when teachers start planting falsities amongst public school textbooks, or conveying a message that tries to subvert a hundred years of research because they don't understand the meaning of scientific method.

Teach it all you want in a private school, I could care less, when they start trying to have the educational board force statements into textbooks, saying that something that doesn't even meet the criteria for a hypothesis, let alone a theory, then you have a problem and it needs to be dealt with.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
I do not believe intelligent design and evolution are mutually exclusive. If God is omniscient and omnipotent, God designed and can control evolution. However, I personally do not believe God does control evolution because his greatest gift to man was choice.

It is man's responsibility to husband the environment as he sees fit. We can only hope we don't screw ourselves beyond the extreme flexibility of the evolution God has designed.

This just means you don't understand evolution. You believe in a crackpot idea of evolution cooked up by fundies. That's fine and all, just don't try and inject anti-science into our kids' science classrooms.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
I do not believe intelligent design and evolution are mutually exclusive. If God is omniscient and omnipotent, God designed and can control evolution. However, I personally do not believe God does control evolution because his greatest gift to man was choice.

It is man's responsibility to husband the environment as he sees fit. We can only hope we don't screw ourselves beyond the extreme flexibility of the evolution God has designed.

This just means you don't understand evolution. You believe in a crackpot idea of evolution cooked up by fundies. That's fine and all, just don't try and inject anti-science into our kids' science classrooms.

Not that I think Intelligent Design should be taught, but it is not anti-science. Just because someone is religious and believes in God does not make them anti-science. Every miracle Christ did he used science to perform. Healing the sick and walking on water is nothing more than atom/molecule manipulation.

If I've misunderstood what you meant, please feel free to correct me. However, religion is not anti-science.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
I do not believe intelligent design and evolution are mutually exclusive. If God is omniscient and omnipotent, God designed and can control evolution. However, I personally do not believe God does control evolution because his greatest gift to man was choice.

It is man's responsibility to husband the environment as he sees fit. We can only hope we don't screw ourselves beyond the extreme flexibility of the evolution God has designed.

This just means you don't understand evolution. You believe in a crackpot idea of evolution cooked up by fundies. That's fine and all, just don't try and inject anti-science into our kids' science classrooms.

Not that I think Intelligent Design should be taught, but it is not anti-science. Just because someone is religious and believes in God does not make them anti-science. Every miracle Christ did he used science to perform. Healing the sick and walking on water is nothing more than atom/molecule manipulation.

If I've misunderstood what you meant, please feel free to correct me. However, religion is not anti-science.

Miracles and Faith have little to do with the idea of Intelligent Design, which is some half assed scheme cooked up to try and infiltrate science with religion. All it tries to do is implant doubt into the minds of young children for the most part. People call it anti-science because it was an idea written up by some guy with no legitimate scientific background trying to compete with actual science. Heck it's not even canon in a religious sense, since it was just cooked up in the past 10 to 15 years.