Question Intel's future after Pat Gelsinger

[DAPUNISHER]

They have indeed been offering the early retirement buyout packages. Mid next month the ax starts falling for the estimated 20% reduction in workforce. Middle managers are doomed. Tan wants the engineers closer to him in the reporting, and wants to put more power back in their hands.

Zinsner is the idiot forcing the RTO for WFH employees. As if morale is not low enough already. How the hell do you retain talent when every move you make worsens the brain drain?

 

[511]

They have indeed been offering the early retirement buyout packages. Mid next month the ax starts falling for the estimated 20% reduction in workforce. Middle managers are doomed. Tan wants the engineers closer to him in the reporting, and wants to put more power back in their hands.

The axe is for middle Managers only engineering won't get much axed unless you are part of the left out NEX after reorg.

Zinsner is the idiot forcing the RTO for WFH employees. As if morale is not low enough already. How the hell do you retain talent when every move you make worsens the brain drain?

Yeah RTO is PITA and unnecessary for many jobs that doesn't require to be beside Hardware. Even at my company people are not happy with RTO.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yeah RTO is PITA and unnecessary for many jobs that doesn't require to be beside Hardware. Even at my company people are not happy with RTO.

Some idiots won't ever get it. COVID showed that business as usual can be done from home. I honestly would've preferred the COVID way of life to continue. Less environmental pollution. Less time wasted commuting. Plus, you can be hired by almost anyone. All you need is a stable internet connection.

 

[511]

Some idiots won't ever get it. COVID showed that business as usual can be done from home. I honestly would've preferred the COVID way of life to continue. Less environmental pollution. Less time wasted commuting. Plus, you can be hired by almost anyone. All you need is a stable internet connection.

Yeah but how are they gonna show the shareholders the company is working for them their employees come to office for them all to please shareholders

 

[jpiniero]

Zinsner is the idiot forcing the RTO for WFH employees. As if morale is not low enough already. How the hell do you retain talent when every move you make worsens the brain drain?

If you're looking to end the rotten culture, getting rid of the people that loooove WFH would be a good place to start.

Granted Intel's problems largely stem from the Foundry, and it's not like you can fab chips from home.

 

[igor_kavinski]

If you're looking to end the rotten culture, getting rid of the people that loooove WFH would be a good place to start.

EDIT: Misread that before. Figures.

Granted Intel's problems largely stem from the Foundry, and it's not like you can fab chips from home.

Pretty sure android robots can be used for that and there are plenty available now. Just monitor them from home.

 

[Hitman928]

If you're looking to end the rotten culture, getting rid of the people that loooove WFH would be a good place to start.

Granted Intel's problems largely stem from the Foundry, and it's not like you can fab chips from home.

A lot of the foundry work can be done remotely now, but obviously you still need a significant work force on site.

 

[511]

A lot of the foundry work can be done remotely now, but obviously you still need a significant work force on site.

Yeah I have seen Many VR Tools for many things but the real work can only be done in labs.

If you're looking to end the rotten culture, getting rid of the people that loooove WFH would be a good place to start.

That's not true it totally depends on person.

Granted Intel's problems largely stem from the Foundry, and it's not like you can fab chips from home.

Yeah Foundry Is the big PITA.

 

[aigomorla]

If you're looking to end the rotten culture, getting rid of the people that loooove WFH would be a good place to start.

Granted Intel's problems largely stem from the Foundry, and it's not like you can fab chips from home.

because the original intel board were idiots.
They didn't want to run the foundery independently, instead had a stick shoved up the rear thinking they could run it at 100% and sell own chips.

Also they didn't want the tech to be given out so other companies could source it and use the foundry they had, not to mention, they refused to break the foundries up into smaller sub sections and instead had to make it a super large side node. This is why when intel changed nodes, they had to remake the entire foundry and not just subsections.

Intel was leagues ahead of TSMC back then... and everyone thought at the time, there is no way TSMC could even dream to catch up to intel.

Lastly, Apple when they were in good terms with intel asked them, "hey can you make us chips for our iphone"?
Intel went "NO, your phones aren't important, and will probably end up dying like Nokia." *FACE PALM*

It was a bunch of bad leadership and terrible management.

Just imagine if Intel had separated there foundries back during the 7000 series like they should have when they realized the Core architecture was going to stagnate. The foundries would of ran independently, had its own RnD for better tech to its customers, instead of trying to build the foundries on stagnating tech for intel independently.

 

[gdansk]

Intel went "NO, your phones aren't important, and will probably end up dying like Nokia." *FACE PALM*

They didn't say that. Intel demanded to be paid more than Samsung and Apple decided on the cheaper course.

 

[coercitiv]

They didn't say that. Intel demanded to be paid more than Samsung and Apple decided on the cheaper course.

There's also a theory that Apple never really wanted to partner with Intel for the iPhone, because they were afraid Intel would do to them exactly what they did to other players in the PC industry. A quick rundown can be found here.

I'm not sure which mattered most - Intel's asking price or their past reputation - but I think Apple was more interested in another deal from the start.

 

[aigomorla]

They didn't say that. Intel demanded to be paid more than Samsung and Apple decided on the cheaper course.

Nah i used to know a lot of people from intel.
I would hear a LOT of rants from them about the founderies.

They said intel didn't want to give any freedom to the founderies which annoyed a lot of people internally.
Remember Intel made the X-18 and X-25 SSD's in house.
That was the limit to how much flexibility the foundries had.

Later they offloaded it to MICRON which made intel's 3D Xpoint SSD's when intel had the full capacity to do it.
They wanted the founderies to pump out intel only chips and at full capacity without giving them freedom to RnD anything, so they could try to keep AMD and every other competitor in check.

Again terrible mismanagement, and horrible directorship.

But on the other side, this is why u would always be able to get an intel cpu from any marketplace without it being Out of Stock.
Even the Extreme Edition CPU's like the i9-7980X was always available.
Remember the limited edition 8086? well, it wasn't so limited, as if you got it on launch day, there was more then enough to go around.

Intel Flooded the market with CPU's, unlike AMD which the 7800X3D, 9800X3D was almost impossible to get unless you knew that special Scalper handshake.

 

[511]

Nah i used to know a lot of people from intel.
I would hear a LOT of rants from them about the founderies.

They said intel didn't want to give any freedom to the founderies which annoyed a lot of people internally.
Remember Intel made the X-18 and X-25 SSD's in house.
That was the limit to how much flexibility the foundries had.

Later they offloaded it to MICRON which made intel's 3D Xpoint SSD's when intel had the full capacity to do it.
They wanted the founderies to pump out intel only chips and at full capacity without giving them freedom to RnD anything, so they could try to keep AMD and every other competitor in check.

Again terrible mismanagement, and horrible directorship.

But on the other side, this is why u would always be able to get an intel cpu from any marketplace without it being Out of Stock.
Even the Extreme Edition CPU's like the i9-7980X was always available.
Remember the limited edition 8086? well, it wasn't so limited, as if you got it on launch day, there was more then enough to go around.

Intel Flooded the market with CPU's, unlike AMD which the 7800X3D, 9800X3D was almost impossible to get unless you knew that special Scalper handshake.

Having personal fab is such a big
Advantage that can't be understated especially now since TSMC is running max utilization not to mention you get to control your supply chain.

You need a competitive process and ecosystem and you should be able to fill your fabs.