Originally posted by: dmens
Originally posted by: Pabster
Maybe because Israeli Engineers were able to develop a chip Americans couldn't? It is widely recognized the Core 2 Duo was the brainchild and work of the Israeli development team.
It's unfair to say the oregon team can't develop something like merom, the decision was made to have intel oregon work with the P4 family. But since P4 is dead, that is no longer an issue.
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
So I'm guessing Mel Gibson won't be buying a conroe
Originally posted by: Kwint Sommer
Plus we sell so many chips to Israel that it only seems fair that we have a division in their country.
Originally posted by: River Side
Originally posted by: Kwint Sommer
Plus we sell so many chips to Israel that it only seems fair that we have a division in their country.
ok.. so now we're gonna go manufacture wherever the buyers are? that's a very stupid argument even if it was for argument's sake.. Intel is an American comany. It gets it's benefits from America.. it should employ Americans.. If there are some 'irreplaceable' Israeli techs, bring them over.. we've people from all over the world working in America..
Originally posted by: avi85
Intel Israel's achievements include (among many others):
the 8088 processor
MMX technology
Coppermine chip
Centrino technology
Yonah chip
Dothan chip
and of course conroe!
here's some more stuff about/made in israel:
Agriculture
The average palm tree, which has been growing in the Middle East for centuries, is about 18-20 feet tall and yields about 38 pounds of dates a year. Israeli date trees are now yielding 400 pounds/year and are short enough to be harvested from the ground or a short ladder.
Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees. This gain was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.
Hi-Tech
The cell phone was developed by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola.
Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.
The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.
Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.
The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed by four young Israelis.
With more than 3,000 high-tech companies, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (apart from Silicon Valley).
Medicine
Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.
An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. 7,000 patients a year die from treatment mistakes in U.S. hospitals.
Israelis developed the first ingestible video camera (so small it fits inside a pill) used to view the small intestine from the inside.
Israeli researchers developed a device that helps the heart pump blood and has the potential to save the lives of those with heart failure.
Clear Light, a new acne treatment developed in Israel, produces a light that kills acne bacteria without damaging surrounding skin or tissue.
Military
Israel has the fourth largest air force in the world (after the U.S, Russia and China).
Economy
Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.
Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds (behind the U. S.) Outside the U.S. and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.
Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East.
The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.
Education and Research
Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.
Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.
Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees, ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.
On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.
Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people --as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.
Innovation
In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of start-up companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of start-up companies than any other country in the world, except the U.S.
An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale, solar-powered electricity generating plant.
Israel designed the airline industry's most impenetrable flight security.
Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.
Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S., over 70 in Japan. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.
Thriving Democracy
Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.
In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews (Operation Solomon) at Risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.
When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.
Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.
Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.
Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.
Israel achieved all of the above accomplishments despite being continually at war with neighboring countries that seek her destruction and having to spend more per capita on security than any other county on earth
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: avi85
Intel Israel's achievements include (among many others):
the 8088 processor
MMX technology
Coppermine chip
Centrino technology
Yonah chip
Dothan chip
and of course conroe!
here's some more stuff about/made in israel:
Agriculture
The average palm tree, which has been growing in the Middle East for centuries, is about 18-20 feet tall and yields about 38 pounds of dates a year. Israeli date trees are now yielding 400 pounds/year and are short enough to be harvested from the ground or a short ladder.
Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees. This gain was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.
Hi-Tech
The cell phone was developed by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola.
Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.
The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.
Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.
The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed by four young Israelis.
With more than 3,000 high-tech companies, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (apart from Silicon Valley).
Medicine
Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.
An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. 7,000 patients a year die from treatment mistakes in U.S. hospitals.
Israelis developed the first ingestible video camera (so small it fits inside a pill) used to view the small intestine from the inside.
Israeli researchers developed a device that helps the heart pump blood and has the potential to save the lives of those with heart failure.
Clear Light, a new acne treatment developed in Israel, produces a light that kills acne bacteria without damaging surrounding skin or tissue.
Military
Israel has the fourth largest air force in the world (after the U.S, Russia and China).
Economy
Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.
Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds (behind the U. S.) Outside the U.S. and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.
Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East.
The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.
Education and Research
Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.
Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.
Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees, ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.
On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.
Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people --as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.
Innovation
In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of start-up companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of start-up companies than any other country in the world, except the U.S.
An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale, solar-powered electricity generating plant.
Israel designed the airline industry's most impenetrable flight security.
Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.
Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S., over 70 in Japan. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.
Thriving Democracy
Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.
In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews (Operation Solomon) at Risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.
When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.
Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.
Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.
Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.
Israel achieved all of the above accomplishments despite being continually at war with neighboring countries that seek her destruction and having to spend more per capita on security than any other county on earth
And one misplaced bomb, 37 children dead. among others. Now do a google search for Israel dirty deeds. And, this does belong in P&N.
Originally posted by: avi85
what would be gained by bringing over israeli engineers? the same people who are unemployed in the states will still be unemployed,
Originally posted by: River Side
Originally posted by: avi85
what would be gained by bringing over israeli engineers? the same people who are unemployed in the states will still be unemployed,
i guess you don't know how economies work? The guy who works here will get paid in dollars and he'll have to spend those in the USA.. on goods and services provided by other Americans.. so while there is one US citizen who doesn't get that job cuz per the current argument he's not qualified enough for it anyway, the overall advantage is to the US economy by keeping the plant and it's workers here..
I'm surprised i'm having to make these arguments on an American forum?? or is everyone an Israeli shill these days?
Originally posted by: avi85
what would be gained by bringing over israeli engineers? the same people who are unemployed in the states will still be unemployed, not to mention that most israelis are very idealistic about living in israel and would not necesarily move to america, then a competitor would just hire those same people as Kwint Sommer said
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: avi85
Intel Israel's achievements include (among many others):
the 8088 processor
MMX technology
Coppermine chip
Centrino technology
Yonah chip
Dothan chip
and of course conroe!
here's some more stuff about/made in israel:
Agriculture
The average palm tree, which has been growing in the Middle East for centuries, is about 18-20 feet tall and yields about 38 pounds of dates a year. Israeli date trees are now yielding 400 pounds/year and are short enough to be harvested from the ground or a short ladder.
Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees. This gain was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.
Hi-Tech
The cell phone was developed by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola.
Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.
The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.
Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.
The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed by four young Israelis.
With more than 3,000 high-tech companies, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (apart from Silicon Valley).
Medicine
Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.
An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. 7,000 patients a year die from treatment mistakes in U.S. hospitals.
Israelis developed the first ingestible video camera (so small it fits inside a pill) used to view the small intestine from the inside.
Israeli researchers developed a device that helps the heart pump blood and has the potential to save the lives of those with heart failure.
Clear Light, a new acne treatment developed in Israel, produces a light that kills acne bacteria without damaging surrounding skin or tissue.
Military
Israel has the fourth largest air force in the world (after the U.S, Russia and China).
Economy
Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.
Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds (behind the U. S.) Outside the U.S. and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.
Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East.
The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.
Education and Research
Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.
Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.
Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees, ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.
On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.
Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people --as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.
Innovation
In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of start-up companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of start-up companies than any other country in the world, except the U.S.
An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale, solar-powered electricity generating plant.
Israel designed the airline industry's most impenetrable flight security.
Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.
Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S., over 70 in Japan. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.
Thriving Democracy
Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.
In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews (Operation Solomon) at Risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.
When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.
Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.
Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.
Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.
Israel achieved all of the above accomplishments despite being continually at war with neighboring countries that seek her destruction and having to spend more per capita on security than any other county on earth
And one misplaced bomb, 37 children dead. among others. Now do a google search for Israel dirty deeds. And, this does belong in P&N.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Yeah right Keys more and more evidence is coming out Hezbolla blew the building right before stacking it with children aka "martyrs" as they call them.. But of course you choose to beleive a terrorists groups line of what happend.
And this was'nt political until you brought up BS accusations and politics into it.
Originally posted by: Henny
The Oregon design team produced Prescott. (a day late, a dollar short, and one of Intel's worst ever CPU embarresments).
Meanwhile everything the IDC team comes up with seems to turn to gold.
If you were Otellini which team would you entrust with the future of Intel's architecture?
Originally posted by: dmens
Originally posted by: Henny
The Oregon design team produced Prescott. (a day late, a dollar short, and one of Intel's worst ever CPU embarresments).
Meanwhile everything the IDC team comes up with seems to turn to gold.
If you were Otellini which team would you entrust with the future of Intel's architecture?
One screwup kills a team? Guess IDC should've packed up in the 80's.
You have no idea the kind of challenges handled by the oregon team with prescott design (which was foisted onto design by management to begin with), so don't insult the engineering team on issues you are totally clueless about.
Originally posted by: Pabster
I'd like to clarify my previous comment in this thread. My point was that it was the Israeli development team that put Conroe together. Nothing more, nothing less. I have no doubt that Oregon could put together a monster as well, just Conroe wasn't theirs.
I say lock this thread down tight. There's no need for the political bickering here. P&N is open for that.
Originally posted by: Henny
The Oregon design team produced Prescott. (a day late, a dollar short, and one of Intel's worst ever CPU embarresments).
Meanwhile everything the IDC team comes up with seems to turn to gold.
If you were Otellini which team would you entrust with the future of Intel's architecture?
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: avi85
Intel Israel's achievements include (among many others):
the 8088 processor
MMX technology
Coppermine chip
Centrino technology
Yonah chip
Dothan chip
and of course conroe!
here's some more stuff about/made in israel:
Agriculture
The average palm tree, which has been growing in the Middle East for centuries, is about 18-20 feet tall and yields about 38 pounds of dates a year. Israeli date trees are now yielding 400 pounds/year and are short enough to be harvested from the ground or a short ladder.
Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees. This gain was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.
Hi-Tech
The cell phone was developed by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola.
Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.
The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.
Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.
The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed by four young Israelis.
With more than 3,000 high-tech companies, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (apart from Silicon Valley).
Medicine
Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.
An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. 7,000 patients a year die from treatment mistakes in U.S. hospitals.
Israelis developed the first ingestible video camera (so small it fits inside a pill) used to view the small intestine from the inside.
Israeli researchers developed a device that helps the heart pump blood and has the potential to save the lives of those with heart failure.
Clear Light, a new acne treatment developed in Israel, produces a light that kills acne bacteria without damaging surrounding skin or tissue.
Military
Israel has the fourth largest air force in the world (after the U.S, Russia and China).
Economy
Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.
Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds (behind the U. S.) Outside the U.S. and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.
Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East.
The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.
Education and Research
Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.
Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.
Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees, ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.
On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.
Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people --as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.
Innovation
In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of start-up companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of start-up companies than any other country in the world, except the U.S.
An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale, solar-powered electricity generating plant.
Israel designed the airline industry's most impenetrable flight security.
Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.
Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S., over 70 in Japan. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.
Thriving Democracy
Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.
In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews (Operation Solomon) at Risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.
When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.
Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.
Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.
Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.
Israel achieved all of the above accomplishments despite being continually at war with neighboring countries that seek her destruction and having to spend more per capita on security than any other county on earth
And one misplaced bomb, 37 children dead. among others. Now do a google search for Israel dirty deeds. And, this does belong in P&N.
I see what side you lean towards....maybe if the gutless pukes called Hezbollah would not dress as civilians and launch their rockets from residential rooftops and neighborhoods using their own people as shields it would not happen....The only one to blame here is Hezbollah....
You keep listening to the looney left in the news media keys...To them every person killed in Lebanon is an innocent civilian...Honestly how can they tell except for the children. The people in southern Lebanon are fully supportive of Hezbollah...how do you get 14 parliamentary members elected?? Duh!!!!!!
I feel no sympathy. Israel as a right to defend itself. Unlike their arab counterparts they are not coward enough to use their own people's bodies as shields and ultimately for political tools when they are dead...
The comment sounds like Anti-Semitism....Just like the news media's coverage, which reeks of it....
Off to P&N with this thread....
Originally posted by: Zebo
Yeah right Keys more and more evidence is coming out Hezbolla blew the building right before stacking it with children aka "martyrs" as they call them.. But of course you choose to beleive a terrorists groups line of what happend.
And this was'nt political until you brought up BS accusations and politics into it.
Hey, I still run a Northwood and it's been a fine cpu. :thumbsup:Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: dmens
Originally posted by: Henny
The Oregon design team produced Prescott. (a day late, a dollar short, and one of Intel's worst ever CPU embarresments).
Meanwhile everything the IDC team comes up with seems to turn to gold.
If you were Otellini which team would you entrust with the future of Intel's architecture?
One screwup kills a team? Guess IDC should've packed up in the 80's.
You have no idea the kind of challenges handled by the oregon team with prescott design (which was foisted onto design by management to begin with), so don't insult the engineering team on issues you are totally clueless about.
Does anybody froget about Northwood or does their utter hatred for Netburst ruin what was a very popular and dominant chip of its time???
pepole dont make this into an American worker versus everyone else....Many peope in Intels Oregon Development team are of other nationalities... Do you want to insult them as well?