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[Zebo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Zebo
Yeah right Keys more and more evidence is coming out Hezbolla blew the building right before stacking it with children aka "martyrs" as they call them.. But of course you choose to beleive a terrorists groups line of what happend.

And this was'nt political until you brought up BS accusations and politics into it.

You're funny Zebo. How the hell do you know that the "evidence" was not manufactured as well? Geez. Look at what you're saying. And you act as if these are my accusations. I only know what I read in the newspapers my friend. Don't be so smug.

The newspapers are telling Hezbolla's account of the events. Front page of course. Preying on if it bleeds it leads, age old anti-semitism in the west, combined with a narcissistic guilt trip westerners have it sells. You can find Israels account on page 19 somewhere.

 

[Henny]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Henny
The Oregon design team produced Prescott. (a day late, a dollar short, and one of Intel's worst ever CPU embarresments).

Meanwhile everything the IDC team comes up with seems to turn to gold.

If you were Otellini which team would you entrust with the future of Intel's architecture?

The marketing department took over the design team, not the engineers fault. Some principled even quit over it.

You may be right. My apologizes. I'm sure marketing and management are also responsible.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'm complaining that 37 children were killed. Who did it? Nobody truly knows. Newspapers say Israel did last time I checked. I am on neither side Duvie. If anything, I'm on the side of the children. Take back what you said.

Yeah kiss mine!!! You stunk this thread up when it was not even going there...Your statement stands for itself...A blantant political statement that had no place to be in here....

And...

"Stink Bomb"... are you in Hezbollah training already? (joke)

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,19955774-5007220,00.html

There is a pic for you....Shows who to blame!!!

 

[River Side]

Originally posted by: avi85
what about the rest of what I said?
what would be gained by bringing over israeli engineers? the same people who are unemployed in the states will still be unemployed

i think i addressed that.. economy doesn't just work on wealth but the distribution of it..

not to mention that most israelis are very idealistic about living in israel and would not necesarily move to america, then a competitor would just hire those same people as Kwint Sommer said

well with the billions of my hard earned tax dollars going to Israel not to mention the permanent protection we offer them no matter how stupid they wish to be, i think there's at least a tiny bit of obligation on Israelis to work for an American company first.. but hey.. if they can spy on us and sell our secrets to China maybe it's expecting a little too much..

 

[Keysplayr]

Ok. I would like to apologize for the off topic political comment to all in this thread. Wrong place. Don't know why I even stated it here. For all those who think I'm sympathizing with Hezbollah, (Zebo, Duvie) you can just kiss it.

 

[yacoub]

Originally posted by: River Side
well with the billions of my hard earned tax dollars going to Israel not to mention the permanent protection we offer them no matter how stupid they wish to be, i think there's at least a tiny bit of obligation on Israelis to work for an American company first.. but hey.. if they can spy on us and sell our secrets to China maybe it's expecting a little too much..

Oh stop with that already. First of all you don't pay billions of dollars in taxes so 99.999% of it is not your money. Technically at that point -as paid taxes - it doesn't belong to you anymore anyway. Second, we give money to both sides. We give millions to the Palestinians as well, though of course you have to be more careful with what you give them because most of it just gets funneled right past the people who need it most and into weapons and bombs used against Israelis. This is why we also give tons of aid to them in non-monetary form - ie, actual things they can use and can't so easily turn into weapons or money to fund weapons. Heck, the joke of it is Israel of all places supports the Palestinians including allowing them to rack up massive amounts of debt with Israel that Israel knows in reality it will never see repaid. What do they get instead of repaid? They get suicide bombed. Lovely.

Look, that drama will not end by the means of man. There will be no lasting peace between those two groups until one is no longer. In the meantime we (the western world) do what we can to keep the bodycount as low as possible and try to forge peace, though realistically that's an impossible task. Let's just agree to turn back to tech talk, because at least when it's ATI vs NVidia or Intel vs AMD or Micosoft vs Linux or Apple, no one's dying.



edit: vvvvv River Side: You might not be aware that many liberal American Jews are misled into despising Israel. Having people with traditionally Jewish last names on the board of directors means little.

 

[River Side]

Originally posted by: Zebo
The newspapers are telling Hezbolla's account of the events. Front page of course. Preying on if it bleeds it leads, age old anti-semitism in the west, combined with a narcissistic guilt trip westerners have it sells. You can find Israels account on page 19 somewhere.

yessiribob.. NYT, WP, WSJ all owned by Hizbullah .. yep.... wonder why then the list of the board of directors on all these conglomerates reads more like the credits of a Hollywood movie than the FBI watch list..

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ok. I would like to apologize for the off topic political comment to all in this thread. Wrong place. Don't know why I even stated it here. For all those who think I'm sympathizing with Hezbollah, (Zebo, Duvie) you can just kiss it.

OK, add me to your list, I agree with Zebo and Duvie.

 

[River Side]

Originally posted by: yacoub
Oh stop with that already. First of all you don't pay billions of dollars in taxes so 99.999% of it is not your money.

by 'we' I mean the American people..

Technically at that point -as paid taxes - it doesn't belong to you anymore anyway.

of course it does.. does more than some foreign country which didn't do jack to earn it.

Second, we give money to both sides. We give millions to the Palestinians as well

laughable.. that you'd compare our aid to Israel with Palestine.. seriously get real.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: River Side
yessiribob.. NYT, WP, WSJ all owned by Hizbullah .. yep.... wonder why then the list of the board of directors on all these conglomerates reads more like the credits of a Hollywood movie than the FBI watch list..

according to your infantile logic, pro-arab opinions must come from arabs, and that's why the biggest arabists of the century were raised in european left-elitist circles. get with the times, arabist anti-semitism has been back in fashion since the 70's in europe, and american leftists absolutely love european "nuance".

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ok. I would like to apologize for the off topic political comment to all in this thread. Wrong place. Don't know why I even stated it here. For all those who think I'm sympathizing with Hezbollah, (Zebo, Duvie) you can just kiss it.

OK, add me to your list, I agree with Zebo and Duvie.

Now Mark, you and I both know that you just said that because you can't stand me. I have no problem with that. It means we are nothing like each other. :beer:

 

[thilanliyan]

Both sides are to blame. What I hate the most about the Middle East conflict is innocent people dying (on both sides) for a war that probably won't bring them any gain anyway. Like all wars a few old men run it and the leftover majority of the people suffer as a result.

As for the current war I really have no idea what it would take for it to end. However, one thing is clear to me...how can the US broker peace when it has a larger interest in Israel?? If Tony Blair and Steven Harper weren't Bush's loyal dogs they might have been able to help.

Rant:I'm Canadian and what really pissed me off was during the 1st days of the war a Lebanese Canadian family of 7(including 4 or 5 kids I think) were ALL killed and the Canadian government said absolutely NOTHING until several days later. Steven Harper(Canadian PM) can seriously go shove it. He better not be reelected.

 

[Madellga]

Originally posted by: thilan29
Both sides are to blame. What I hate the most about the Middle East conflict is innocent people dying (on both sides) for a war that probably won't bring them any gain anyway. Like all wars a few old men run it and the leftover majority of the people suffer as a result.

As for the current war I really have no idea what it would take for it to end. However, one thing is clear to me...how can the US broker peace when it has a larger interest in Israel?? If Tony Blair and Steven Harper weren't Bush's loyal dogs they might have been able to help.

Rant:I'm Canadian and what really pissed me off was during the 1st days of the war a Lebanese Canadian family of 7(including 4 or 5 kids I think) were ALL killed and the Canadian government said absolutely NOTHING until several days later. Steven Harper(Canadian PM) can seriously go shove it. He better not be reelected.

For those claiming the news is propaganda from either side, don't forget the 4 UN Peacekeepers killed by Israel last week. That was not fabricated I guess.

The strikes also killed brazilians on vacation there, including kids.
Those guys had nothing to do with terrorism.

This was the worst war related event for brazilians since the 2nd World War.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Madellga

Originally posted by: thilan29
Both sides are to blame. What I hate the most about the Middle East conflict is innocent people dying (on both sides) for a war that probably won't bring them any gain anyway. Like all wars a few old men run it and the leftover majority of the people suffer as a result.

As for the current war I really have no idea what it would take for it to end. However, one thing is clear to me...how can the US broker peace when it has a larger interest in Israel?? If Tony Blair and Steven Harper weren't Bush's loyal dogs they might have been able to help.

Rant:I'm Canadian and what really pissed me off was during the 1st days of the war a Lebanese Canadian family of 7(including 4 or 5 kids I think) were ALL killed and the Canadian government said absolutely NOTHING until several days later. Steven Harper(Canadian PM) can seriously go shove it. He better not be reelected.

For those claiming the news is propaganda from either side, don't forget the 4 UN Peacekeepers killed by Israel last week. That was not fabricated I guess.

The strikes also killed brazilians on vacation there, including kids.
Those guys had nothing to do with terrorism.

This was the worst war related event for brazilians since the 2nd World War.

1) If the UN wasn't so inept and would have done what was mandated in 2004 to "disarm Hezbollah" maybe this would not have happened. I mean they station the "blue hats" all over the world and yet they get nothing done....Name one mission where they have succeeded from their mandate... This is why I dont agree the US should ever listen to the world body (UN). When you have corrupt leaders of the UN telling you how to fix things...OH BOY!!!!

If the UN was smart they would have moved them out of there almost immediately...It was obvious they were not working cause all around them Hezbollah was launching a barrage of 100 missiles a day at Israel...They were worthless to begin with...


2) Who the heck vacations in the Middle East??? I mean cmon...It is like the idiots here last week that filed the lawsuit to help get american citizens out of Southern Lebanon (known Hezbollah stronghold) who were trapped....Who were they??? Arab-Americans....Where did the live??? Dearborn Michigan...Where in the US that has one of the largest congregations yof muslims (shites), and know groups (some closed) that are supporting Hezbollah through fundraising in the US??? Dearborn Michigan....I dont see innocent people there either....

Bottom line anybody vacationing in the Middle East over the last 30 years is taking a risk and should be considered their fault if they placed their family in harm...i wouldn't take my Kid to the middle east ever...Morons!!!


To the guy from canada....The best thing that ever happened to that liberal, socialist country is putting in a moderate conservative...maybne you can fix what the liberals (secular progressives) have broken...It may take a few decades so dont count on him losing immediately...

 

[Madellga]

The guys on vacation had family there. They were there before the conflict started. Israel was engaged at Gaza strip before, not Lebanon. You cannot really say somebody is guilty about that.

As for a safe place, there is no such place nowadays. You could be on the top of World Trade Center on the wrong day.....

As for corrupt/inept leaders, not even US can fingerpoint and correctly lead....just look at Iraq's mess - courtesy of current Mr. President....

 

[Om51]

muslims (shites), and know groups (some closed) that are supporting Hezbollah through fundraising in the US??? Dearborn Michigan....I dont see innocent people there either....

Fisrt , DON'T EVER Call Muslims (Shites) BECAUSE YOU LITTLE JUNK YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THE RIGHT AND LATEST RELIGION - Islam .
Second , you did see some (Shiti) muslims \ Arabs , IT Doesn't mean all of the Arabs \ Muslims are the same . Does all the US People Like what your terrorist governement are doing in Iraq and Afganistan ?? Killing people the whole day \ the whole week ?? Steel Iraq Oil ???
Noooo , the US People are not same , some bad \ some good . And we Arabs are exactly not the same , Arabs made some great people and some very bad people like any nation ...
and you must know that the most of us are didn't like what happend in 11\9 YES WE DIDN,T LIKE WHAT BIN LADEN HAS DONE - DID YOU HEAR THAT ???? .... Killing US Soldiers in Iraq ? ofcourse we are happy because it's simpe - they are invaders , murders and theives .. But going to US and killing Innocent people thats very very stupid idea and any muslim have a little brain and religion dont accept that ...

You must read a little about muslims history ...

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Om51

muslims (shites), and know groups (some closed) that are supporting Hezbollah through fundraising in the US??? Dearborn Michigan....I dont see innocent people there either....

Fisrt , DON'T EVER Call Muslims (Shites) BECAUSE YOU LITTLE JUNK YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THE RIGHT AND LATEST RELIGION - Islam .
Second , you did see some (Shiti) muslims \ Arabs , IT Doesn't mean all of the Arabs \ Muslims are the same . Does all the US People Like what your terrorist governement are doing in Iraq and Afganistan ?? Killing people the whole day \ the whole week ?? Steel Iraq Oil ???
Noooo , the US People are not same , some bad \ some good . And we Arabs are exactly not the same , Arabs made some great people and some very bad people like any nation ...
and you must know that the most of us are didn't like what happend in 11\9 YES WE DIDN,T LIKE WHAT BIN LADEN HAS DONE - DID YOU HEAR THAT ???? .... Killing US Soldiers in Iraq ? ofcourse we are happy because it's simpe - they are invaders , murders and theives .. But going to US and killing Innocent people thats very very stupid idea and any muslim have a little brain and religion dont accept that ...

You must read a little about muslims history ...

I put "shite" in paranthesis caused I meant it was a shite sect of muslim americans...Not Sunnis Muslims living in America....

I cant help it if the muslim religion predominantly espouses hate to non believers....Go elsehwere with your hate speech...So you are happy when US soldiers die in Iraq??? Cause they are invaders??? My simple logic is I see most all of the Muslim people in the world as aggressors...how many other regions of the world have conflicts right now cause people of the Islamic faith cannot live with other people peacefully??? Ask yourself that...It is not just the Middle East..They Kill people indiscriminantly in other regions far away from the MIddle east. They cannot seem to get along or live peacefully with others..for a religion of roughly a 1/4 of the population you may not want to piss the rest of the 3/4's off...You may get what you think you want but not the outcome....

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Duvie
2) Who the heck vacations in the Middle East??? I mean cmon...It is like the idiots here last week that filed the lawsuit to help get american citizens out of Southern Lebanon (known Hezbollah stronghold) who were trapped....Who were they??? Arab-Americans....Where did the live??? Dearborn Michigan...Where in the US that has one of the largest congregations yof muslims (shites), and know groups (some closed) that are supporting Hezbollah through fundraising in the US??? Dearborn Michigan....I dont see innocent people there either....

Bottom line anybody vacationing in the Middle East over the last 30 years is taking a risk and should be considered their fault if they placed their family in harm...i wouldn't take my Kid to the middle east ever...Morons!!!

If your family was originally from the middle east(and still had some family there) YOU would probably try to go back there too to visit them and it's not like there was a full scale war when they first went there.

To the guy from canada....The best thing that ever happened to that liberal, socialist country is putting in a moderate conservative...maybne you can fix what the liberals (secular progressives) have broken...It may take a few decades so dont count on him losing immediately...

Yes because we should all be war loving, gun slinging, jocks like the American government.:roll:

Bush (the supposed devout Christian) has the blood of many innocent people on his hands and I still can't fathom how he justifies his actions by saying "God" wants this. It's Bush's will, not God's. Don't get me wrong, I hate the radical Islamists for their actions also because they also justify their actions by using religion.

At least secular governments don't have any "higher power" blindly guiding them. Look at how many wars throughout history are because of religion?? With religion comes not only good but bad also(applies to secular people also).

 

[Canterwood]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
So I'm guessing Mel Gibson won't be buying a conroe

He'll probably buy one to show he loves Jews, but take it back to the shop when he next gets p1ssed.

 

[Om51]

Duvie

I am really sorry for the - hate speech- .
But I must get angry because most of the people around the world don't know any thing about the True Meaning of Islam and why the Islam even existed.
And trust me you are wrong , wrong in every thing . And I really wish if I have a good english skill then I can write more , atleast a little more about principals of Islam because every non-muslim got it wrong .
Lets say a teacher told his student: 1+1=2 , then the student say no 1+1=10 , Is it the teachers fault ? No ? --> So if Islam says we must live in peace , then some crazy people can't live with out a problems , Is it Islam fault ? no ....

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: Om51
You must read a little about muslims history ...

yeah, your "right and latest religion" has demonstrated exactly what it's all about over its 13 centuries of miserable existence, so don't even think about telling me about islam is about how each person interpretes it. the koran and hundreds of hadiths dictate violence on so-called "non-believers". The only reason muslims don't commit violence en-masse (like from 700AD to 1600 AD) is because of the recent supremacy of western arms.

muslim history? yeah that's crystal clear. 1300 years of murder, dhimmitude and genocide, the wholesale extermination of persian, berber, byzantine/armenian christian cultures, and the continuous conquest and depopulation of transylvania. good job!

And now the umma wants to add the second jewish holocaust to its list of proud achievements, because despite all the help amin al-husseini gave to his buddy hitler, the dastardly jews still managed to set up their homeland after 3000 years. Five wars of aggression against israel and now it is iran's turn to take a crack at the jews.

muslims really should be proud of that! And to clarify, im not a jew, not an american, not a christian, and not white. Just well educated.

 

[n7]

ROFL @ this thread :laugh:

 

[Jaylllo]

Originally posted by: River Side

Originally posted by: avi85
what would be gained by bringing over israeli engineers? the same people who are unemployed in the states will still be unemployed,

i guess you don't know how economies work? The guy who works here will get paid in dollars and he'll have to spend those in the USA.. on goods and services provided by other Americans.. so while there is one US citizen who doesn't get that job cuz per the current argument he's not qualified enough for it anyway, the overall advantage is to the US economy by keeping the plant and it's workers here..

I'm surprised i'm having to make these arguments on an American forum?? or is everyone an Israeli shill these days?

I agree that the aid given to Israel is disproportionate. Last I heard we give Israel 3 billion in cash (as "aid") + more in weapons/goods.
However, if Israelies can do a better job, then who can blame companies from conducting business there. I certainly can't.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: Om51
You must read a little about muslims history ...

yeah, your "right and latest religion" has demonstrated exactly what it's all about over its 13 centuries of miserable existence, so don't even think about telling me about islam is about how each person interpretes it. the koran and hundreds of hadiths dictate violence on so-called "non-believers". The only reason muslims don't commit violence en-masse (like from 700AD to 1600 AD) is because of the recent supremacy of western arms.

muslim history? yeah that's crystal clear. 1300 years of murder, dhimmitude and genocide, the wholesale extermination of persian, berber, byzantine/armenian christian cultures, and the continuous conquest and depopulation of transylvania. good job!

And now the umma wants to add the second jewish holocaust to its list of proud achievements, because despite all the help amin al-husseini gave to his buddy hitler, the dastardly jews still managed to set up their homeland after 3000 years. Five wars of aggression against israel and now it is iran's turn to take a crack at the jews.

muslims really should be proud of that! And to clarify, im not a jew, not an american, not a christian, and not white. Just well educated.

No I believe that is Ah-mad-jihad, the president of Iran

Thanks for bringing that up, Dmens...i was going to got into depth on "muslim history" as the poster above thought I needed to get a refresher course in...

Basic fact is the Islamic religion is a religion of the 7th century...If it wasn't for Oil making many sheiks, monarchs, etc rich they likely would still be herding goats and camels...Oil and western society development has opened up the riches to the Middle East, from which now they use to spread their terrorism...Unfortuinately the vast riches of the oil are not spread down to the people.

The main problem I see is that a majority of the common muslims are uneducated people which makes them susceptible to vile the mullahs preach (many of whom are also said to be illiterate). The above poster is right in the sense i cannot blame all of them (the ordinary muslim). For they are the sheeple who know no better. The mullahs are leading them down a path of destruction. Make no bones about it. If america was hit with a nuclear weapon or chemical weapon, places like Tehran and Damascus will become glass factories. That is if Israel in its own self-preservation doesn't do it frst.

I truly believe Israel will eventually take care of Ah-mad-Jihad and his rouge nuclear program, because the rest of the world governments lacks the will. Here is a man who once again today proclaim that Israel "zionist regime" needs to be wiped out..We know Iran could not beat Israel with conventional weapons, so how do you think he will do it....It is like waiting for the second holocaust...knowing it is coming, and doing nothing. The new Hitler of the 21st century is arising....

Hezbollah is his army abroad.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Jaylllo

Originally posted by: River Side

Originally posted by: avi85
what would be gained by bringing over israeli engineers? the same people who are unemployed in the states will still be unemployed,

i guess you don't know how economies work? The guy who works here will get paid in dollars and he'll have to spend those in the USA.. on goods and services provided by other Americans.. so while there is one US citizen who doesn't get that job cuz per the current argument he's not qualified enough for it anyway, the overall advantage is to the US economy by keeping the plant and it's workers here..

I'm surprised i'm having to make these arguments on an American forum?? or is everyone an Israeli shill these days?

I agree that the aid given to Israel is disproportionate. Last I heard we give Israel 3 billion in cash (as "aid") + more in weapons/goods.
However, if Israelies can do a better job, then who can blame companies from conducting business there. I certainly can't.

Israel buys its own weapons!!! Didn't you see Congress aprroved multibillion dollar sale of hi-tech smart bombs....

Aid given to people like Yasser (when he was alive, and not in HE11) would have been funneled through his FATAH party and right into the terrorist cells routinely crossing over the Gaza strip and attaking soldeirs and Jewish settlers....We have to be careful where are aid goes, cause it seemed to rarely be used to help the poor people of the West Bank and Gaza...


Mods....Lets move this to P&N or OT...I would still like to converse on the topic but it shouldn't be in here...

As a sidenote....The company I work for did work on the Fab in Israel. We sent over 2 uys to train the people there in Fab construction we had learned building them in Oregon. One of the guys told me a story of a suicide bomber hitting the bus stop he used....they stayed in Haifa.