Intels Rival for the Hammer!!!

[DivideBYZero]

Iamgod2u:



<< << Then we have the hammer. You can talk about how fast the PIV will be going by 03/Q1 till your blue in the face, but these wimps will not be able to touch this advanced design, no matter the clock speed. >> >>



I'm am not hanging on the 64bit'ness of the processor half as much as you are, Hammer is advanced and Intel have nothing in their pipeline that is as exciting.




<< The server market has said goodbye to x86 long ago >>

OK.....

 

[imgod2u]

<< Iamgod2u:

<< Then we have the hammer. You can talk about how fast the PIV will be going by 03/Q1 till your blue in the face, but these wimps will not be able to touch this advanced design, no matter the clock speed. >>

I'm am not hanging on the 64bit'ness of the processor half as much as you are, Hammer is advanced and Intel have nothing in their pipeline that is as exciting. >>



Asside the 64-bit extensions, the other "enhancements" to Hammer over the current Athlon aren't night and day. I guess how impressive something is is subjective and fanboys would claim anything as "advanced" and the other side as "not". Either way, the integrated memory controller and SOI tech certainly won't bring about the mind-blowing performance increase some people (namely you) make it out to be. Will it help? Sure. Will it be enough to totally blow the P4 away? I doubt it. Again, it may (and I can even say probably) outedge the P4 at the speed grade that it'll be released in by the time Hammer comes (3+ GHz since it seems you'll have to wait till Feb 2003). But will it be of the level you and other AMD fanboys have hyped it to be? I doubt it. Why don't you at least find something to backup your grossly presumptuous statements.



<< The server market has said goodbye to x86 long ago

OK..... >>

 

[DivideBYZero]

2u:

As an INtel Fanboy you seem to be hell bent on playing down the hammer as much as I want to big it up.

BUT

I am quite aware that I cannot back up the perfomance of the unit as we don't have a final chip to play with

BUT

I would like to see your proof. Talk is cheap:



<< currently, there's been an overclocking report that suggests that even the T-Bred won't scale to the point where it'll match the Northwood's scalability (accounting for the difference in IPC). >>



You matching overclocking with PRESUMTIOUS Scalability statements. LOL, get out of town, show me the benches...

 

[Degenerate]

<< Michael Dell, the biggest Intel Fanboy in the world, has got it. >>


Yeah. Dell probably has 100 AMD systems in testing every now and then. i would not besurprised if Dell had one. Plus, it AMD's work to get Dell to use their CPU.

Theregister, Theinquirer are often no more than a place with gossip.
I am just sick off stuff like "It will blow the rest away, bury, Eliminate, kill or dominate" or what ever. How can the profomance be seen in a completly new technology? If it was something like faster clock speed of the same CPU or RAm, then yeah, you can pretty much predict the performance. While i believe the Hammer will be great (seeing AMD so confidnet about it, and most of the time when they are soo confident, they usually have something good to back it up), i dont see the reason why it will "blow, bury, kill".

(BTW, As much as anyone here want to listen to a high school kid. It wont matter.)

 

[SSXeon5]

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SSXeon:
I've seen you gubbed so many times in this thread alone, don't talk to me about punking LOL
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what I do? And i was just kidden bro All I have stated is my look and the info I scraped up about the prescott .... not 100% hard facts here .... same with all the hammer info people are talking about ... its not 100% accuarate Now you said this:



<< Intel have nothing to stack up against Hammer/Opteron. Go on, tell me otherwise >>



Lets figure this .... the pentium 4 has 6 IPC and XP core has 9 IPC. Most of the time ICP does mean more performance because its more instuctions per clock. It takes a 2.2Ghz Pentium 4 to take out 1.73Ghz palomino (2100+ XP). So multiply 2200x6= 13200 (I guess per milisecond?) 1733x9=15597p/ms? The Pentium 4's 400Mhz FSB/(3.2GB/s)bandwidth and the addition of 256k more cahce the P4 makes up for its low ICP and beating the palomino.

Now lets figure that the Pentium 5 also has 6 ICP (6 ICP till 10Ghz!) still but more bandwidth and cache memory and hyperthreading. Hammer is 25% faster per clock then athlon so i guess it will have 11 IPC (or it will have 12 im figuring this because if the cpu doent need to deal with ram because of the onboard Memory controled it would give it more ICP.) .... so then it may be 2.2GHz Althon hammer ((166*2)Mhz fsb) vs. 4Ghz P5 ((200*4)Mhz FSB?) so it would do [Hammer]24200p/ms - [P5?]24000p/ms, so the ratio here is 1:1 but i think it will beat the hammer in more then just by alittle) And add hyperthreading/1MB L2 cahce and 667/800MHz fsb thats 5.4-6.4GB/s! Vs single channel DDR333 with only 2.7GB/s. This is just what im am Predicting basing it only on ICP ..... i know it could also be things like enhancments to the core, cache added, or memory bandwidth ect. But this is just what I predict and I still believe the P5 has a chance and Intels not going to let AMD be the leader Just my thoughts as crazy as they sound lol.

SSXeon

 

[DivideBYZero]

Thats cool SSxeon. I just got riled up by that Hans 'ho, getting all personal on my ass.

I think it's all great stuff. We all benefit from these two slugging it out.

I've had Intel and AMD as my home systems, and sure I am a bit of a Fanboy when it comes to AMD, but I like to see the underdog pull a fast one. David and Goliath if you like, but at least I'm not shy to admit it like some others in here, present company excepted

When Intel produce some a$$ kicking gear and I am convinced to buy it (and I have been in the past) I'm sure I'll be an Intel 'Fanboy' again, trashing on the AMD threads

But for now, it's AMD all the way for me, and if N E 1 doesn't like it, they can do the other.

HansDouble-O-flangenut: I'm off next week in my House in the Med Sun, and I won't even think about your little upstart slaggings, trust me!! Have you even got a Passport?? LOL Wish you weren't here....heheh

 

[imgod2u]

<< 2u:

As an INtel Fanboy you seem to be hell bent on playing down the hammer as much as I want to big it up. >>



You don't see me disagreeing with anyone that the Hammer will be a big performer now do you? I'm merely arguing your obviously overzealous "it will bury the puny <insert Intel processor here>" mentality. I even mentioned the Hammer will probably outedge the P4.



<< BUT

I am quite aware that I cannot back up the perfomance of the unit as we don't have a final chip to play with >>



Yet you keep asserting to how marvelous it will be, adding to hype isn't exactly a good thing you know......



<< BUT

I would like to see your proof. Talk is cheap:

currently, there's been an overclocking report that suggests that even the T-Bred won't scale to the point where it'll match the Northwood's scalability (accounting for the difference in IPC).

You matching overclocking with PRESUMTIOUS Scalability statements. LOL, get out of town, show me the benches... >>



anandtech forum thread

I was refering to that article. A bit confusing (considering it's in chinese) and definitely not something concrete (which is why, if you didn't notice, I did not say it definitely isn't as scalable as the NW), but it is something nonetheless. But it's nice how you can nitpick like that.

 

[Sid03]

<< I am well aware of Ultra Sparcs, I'm using one right now.... >>

if you are familiar with the differences between a pentium 3 and high-end server chip, then you'd know that there's no point in making the comparison.... yet you did. so, i'm not buying that you have a clue.

btw, you never answered my query regarding how a cpu that's allegedly 25% faster than an athlon can "destroy" a 3ghz p4.

 

[Degenerate]

Companies dont just sit around growing mould and get "destroyed" when they suddenly realise their competitior have a better product. If i owned a company and was in competition, i would probably send spies or something

 

[SSXeon5]

<< Thats cool SSxeon. I just got riled up by that Hans 'ho, getting all personal on my ass.

I think it's all great stuff. We all benefit from these two slugging it out.

I've had Intel and AMD as my home systems, and sure I am a bit of a Fanboy when it comes to AMD, but I like to see the underdog pull a fast one. David and Goliath if you like, but at least I'm not shy to admit it like some others in here, present company excepted

When Intel produce some a$$ kicking gear and I am convinced to buy it (and I have been in the past) I'm sure I'll be an Intel 'Fanboy' again, trashing on the AMD threads

But for now, it's AMD all the way for me, and if N E 1 doesn't like it, they can do the other.

HansDouble-O-flangenut: I'm off next week in my House in the Med Sun, and I won't even think about your little upstart slaggings, trust me!! Have you even got a Passport?? LOL Wish you weren't here....heheh >>

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hehe .... im so a Intel fan boy .... big time ... and so am i with ATi .... even the radeon PCI i had i loved .... it wasnt as fast as the GTS i had and had a agp slot after a new mobo switch so i sold the radeon. I love my r8500 and cant wait for the R10000. But i really really dispise that jerry sanders, if i saw him in real life ... i would so beat his a$$ haha.

SSXeon

 

[Daovonnaex]

I will now sum up this thread.

Generic Intel fanboy: OMFG OMFG Prescott rulz, AMD suXorz! ha ah ha!
Generic AMD fanboy yu got no nuts cuz AMD rulz n intel si gay. Hammer 4eva!
ad infinitum

My opinion is that the Prescott should be impressive, though I think it will begin at 600MHz FSB and later move up to 800MHz FSB. It should perform impressively, and will likely scale quickly. As for the Hammer, I think we'll be able to buy the Claw Hammer late in Q4, and I believe it'll be launched with a frequency between 2.2 and 2.6 GHz. The Hammer will outperform the Prescott at first, but the Prescott may scale ahead. However, I do believe the Hammer has a superior architecture. Truth be told, we won't know until they're available.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Sid03:

Do you want to take you architecture arguments to HT where it belongs. Real world performance in single processor is what I'm taking about. Not high density SMP solaris systems. If you want to talk enterprise computing, start up a new thread, just for you and me. You are making me laugh, right now, LOL, see?

Regarding your p4 vs Athlon 25% bone. *YAWN* Can anyone say IPC?

ImNod2U:

"it will bury the puny <insert Intel processor here>" mentality.

I can't see where I used the words, bury, destroy, decimate in my discussion to describe the P4. I may well have used puny, weak a$$, lame, sh1te, poor and it was fun.

 

[imgod2u]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Sid03:

Do you want to take you architecture arguments to HT where it belongs. Real world performance in single processor is what I'm taking about. Not high density SMP solaris systems. If you want to talk enterprise computing, start up a new thread, just for you and me. You are making me laugh, right now, LOL, see?

Regarding your p4 vs Athlon 25% bone. *YAWN* Can anyone say IPC?

ImNod2U:

"it will bury the puny <insert Intel processor here>" mentality.

I can't see where I used the words, bury, destroy, decimate in my discussion to describe the P4. I may well have used puny, weak a$$, lame, sh1te, poor and it was fun.

I added the "mentality" to define the type of mentality it is, not exact words. So far, there has been nothing to justify this level of performance, so expect people to call you on your BS.

 

[sonoran]

Originally posted by: spanner

Also I have my reasons for hating Intel and it has very little to do with which CPU performs better. its more along the lines of company ethics.

If the company's ethics are your reason for hating Intel, then you know not that of which you speak. Maybe you should cite some publications *direct from Intel* that demonstrate poor ethical behavior?

And if you're going to hate a company for charging what the market will bear for their product, then you have a lot of companies to add to your list...