Interesting take on macro evolution

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zinfamous

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There you go jumping into insults and semantics. You can't even acknowledge the irrational nonsense of it all, you go right into attacking others. You are close-minded, unwilling to accept that you could possibly be wrong.

lol. as you've ever accepted the possibility that you can be wrong.

oh, that's right--you are the sole arbiter of The Truth in this universe.

How soon i forget.

 

shortylickens

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who can remember the first purple, blue, whatever, word? I was paying attention to the text.

Its not a memory test. Its a perception test. The point is you cant really say which was the first purple because purple isnt so clearly defined. Just like its hard to say when man evolved from cromagnon or whatever. It took hundreds of generations for homo sapiens to be defined.
 

PsiStar

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One of the most obvious examples of present day micro-evolution are flu virus' & how they mutate from one year to the next.
 

Juddog

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One of the most obvious examples of present day micro-evolution are flu virus' & how they mutate from one year to the next.

/imitates Malak
Oh yeah? Well I know a guy who said that's not how it works, you're so close minded to think that way, unwilling to admit you could be wrong!
 

Blackjack200

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For the millionth time, religion has nothing to do with it. It is bad science to accept evolutionary theory as truth. The so-called "evidences" for it are observations with many interpretations, not just one. Accepting just one and claiming it is absolutely true is nonsense. It is not proven by the evidences, the theory is an interpretation. Nothing more.

There is no conclusive evidence of the process described by evolutionary theory. You can interpret the evidence in many ways, claim anything you want. If you accept something without any real proof, then you would be the religious nut, not me.

Once again, you point to religion. You always do because you think this is some kind of competition. I have not ever presented an opposing theory. I don't care how the world was created. My issue is that people so blindly accept such theories just like they blindly follow politics. They don't have any real understanding, they simply accept what they are told. If someone opposes it, they are crazy, a religious nut, or don't have any idea what they are saying.

One biologist says evolution is correct, another says it is not. Who do you believe? Why? If you acknowledge the issue rationally you'll see the issue, but so far you haven't done a single thing rationally so I have my doubts that you can do this.

There you go jumping into insults and semantics. You can't even acknowledge the irrational nonsense of it all, you go right into attacking others. You are close-minded, unwilling to accept that you could possibly be wrong.

Face. Palm.

Do you realize that what you are arguing is essentially equivalent to arguing that the sun goes round the earth or that people get sick because of demons? If you want to know why biologists don't spend their time proving and reproving the laws of evolution, it's because they're busy applying that knowledge to improve our lives. The depth of our understanding of not just that evolution happens, but how it happens is staggering, and if you really don't believe it maybe you should just decline treatment if you ever get cancer or AIDS, because our remarkable progress against these diseases in the last 20 years is attributable to almost nothing other than our increased understanding of the mechanisms of evolution.

And you can drop the whole 'it has nothing to do with religion' act. It's transparent and makes you look rediculous.
 

jonks

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It completely over-simplifies it. Biological changes are not anywhere near similar to hue changes. This description hides all the complexity and reason why many don't agree with evolution.

Oversimplifies it you say?

Tides come in, tides go out, never a miscommunication, can't be explained.

That's not a simplification is it.

As to the "many" who don't agree with evolution, this a fabrication. There is essentially no dissent within the scientific community on this issue. You find this suspicious, but there is also near universal agreement on the theory of gravity. You allude to a false controversy created by religious proponents, much the way tobacco companies hired scientists in-house to manufacture a false controversy that "tobacco didn't cause cancer but it makes for an interesting debate". There is no real debate. 99% of those who don't agree with evolution are religious, just like the "many" who disagreed with heliocentric theory b/c it opposes their predetermined worldview. As it happens, science doesn't agree with the "many", it agrees with the "right". If everyone on the planet but 1 person thought sickness was spread by demons it wouldn't make it true.
 
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Blackjack200

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Oversimplifies it you say?

Tides come in, tides go out, never a miscommunication, can't be explained.

That's not a simplification is it.

Don't be rediculous, of course it can be explained, it's an effect of gravity...

oh wait, I mean "intelligent falling".
 

preslove

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There is not now, nor ever will be, any proof of any gradual biological change that can account for the diversity of life on this planet.


There is plenty of genetic proof of this. Stop talking about biology like you know any fucking thing about it you simple minded fool.
 
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Cerpin Taxt

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There is not now, nor ever will be, any proof of any gradual biological change that can account for the diversity of life on this planet.
If you cannot demonstrate a logical contradiction in a proposition, then it is possible by definition. In other words, if it is coherent, it can happen, and there is no logical inconsistency with the suggestion that descent with modification can account for the diversity of life.

So shut the fuck up. You don't know what you're talking about.

In order for certain necessary changes to have occurred, millions of smaller changes would need to occur at the same time.
This is Dembski's idea of "Irreducible Complexity" and despite your ignorance, it has been debunked.

So shut the fuck up. You don't know what you're talking about.


There is nothing gradual about what evolutionary theorists claim to have occurred.
Actually, the history of biology is a mixed bag of gradual changes over relatively long time scales with occasional and relatively more drastic changes within shorter relative time scales.

So fucking what?

The entire theory is nonsense from the beginning because of what you just said.
If it is "nonsense from the beginning" I take that to mean you doubt even so-called "microevolution."

That would explain a lot about you, and not in your favor, I might add.

The only reason theorists claim it takes hundreds of thousands, if not millions or billions, of years is because it hides the fact that there is no evidence of it at all.
This is a flat-out falsehood. You are either ignorant or dishonest to have made it. There are fossil records and geneologies which necessitate common anscestry to make sense of them.

It neatly tucks away any responsibility of proving the theory in the unrecorded history that can never be examined.
Quite simply, you are one stupid motherfucker, and you need to sit down, and shut the fuck up.
 
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preslove

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And if you have any questions, feel free to PM me. Wolpoff was my undergraduate adviser.

I've got a question. How the hell are they sequencing the genomes for all these extinct hominids (and other extinct animals)? How can you get a genome out of neanderthal bones?
 

Jeff7

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That's pretty awesome how you all jump on this band wagon.

All we need is a common definition of what each of the colors (names) are and we can easily decide where the color change (numeric representation of color) happens.

There is also the problem that we can clearly see there are many change between blue and red. These intermediate steps what creationists are looking for in nature.
And the decision of what is "red" and "blue" is arbitrary anyway, just as is our distinction of "species."
The shift from red to blue is along a continuous spectrum, and that's the point that this thing is making. If you're moving from 0 to 1 on a number line, there will be a point where the value is suddenly 1. But there are also many, many points along that line which are not 1, and are not 0. That doesn't mean that 0.47576 doesn't exist.
You can take a steady, incremental path to traverse that distance, and if each increment is 0.00000001, then the change is going to be so gradual, that depending on your perspective, it may appear to be nonexistant.



Y'all responding to a Holy Troller.
But we're boooooooorrrred!
 
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DrPizza

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There is nothing to be right or wrong about here - we're simply debating fact. The fact is that evolution has been observed. PERIOD. End of statement. Until you admit that, there is no more discussion to be had. That's not being close minded, that's just stating reality.

I've noticed the troll never responded to you.
 
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