I wasn't criticising, but you are also exposing yourself to the finer plot points and the twists and turns of "the journey" you might not expect even if it ultimately ends how you expect.
I read spoilers because knowing what is going to happen doesn't ruin a movie for me. I know what is going to happen in 99% of the movies: the good guy wins. That doesn't make the journey to that any less valuable.
This is a movie about them leaving Earth, which is in danger of becoming uninhabitable for whatever reason, and possibly finding a habitable planet. There are two possible outcomes: they find said planet or they don't. And, since this is a movie made in Hollywood, I'm going to assume they do find the planet. Did I just ruin the movie for everyone? I certainly hope you're not so dense you couldn't see that coming.
And, since I do read the spoilers, I don't bitch about them, especially when they are covered up. I was only saying that they might have been leaving a planet with a less dense atmosphere, thus giving less resistance and requiring less fuel. And, since this is a silly space movie based nowhere in reality (one pilot is their only hope! and he happens to drive a Chrysler and Alfred is demanding he go on a mission with faster than light travel, because if it wasn't, they'd never find a planet and return before Earth was destroyed unless they left a long time ago), I am offering a silly explanation they might attempt to suspend disbelief with.
Do we really need to go over why a man in super expensive toys in a city lacking in young, rich guys isn't immediately discovered to be Bruce fucking Wayne? Or, how nobody else could figured it out, but one orphan knew due to some special look? It's a movie.
I guess we are done using spoiler tags.
The blackhole system is the only system the wormhole gave them access to. They didn't get a "choice." It was chosen for them. This is why they assumed that at least one of the planets had to be habitable.
There was 12 planets, they chose this system since it had 3 planets all within the system
They did get a lot more data when they arrived. They discussed that Mann's ultimately forged data was more promising than Edmund's good-enough data. They also noted that Edmunds had stopped transmitting, though they didn't know why (killed in a landslide). Mann was in stasis and as far as they knew the others would be too.
That's true. I was thinking more of like a satellite.
I imagine that Cooper Station is a midway point for refugees as they are evacuated. With gravity manipulation, going to or from should be simpler and maybe even negligible.
Even still moving millions of people would take ages. Though I don't see why you would have them sit in space, unless they were terraforming the new home. Though I guess it had been a few decades since Murphy was at the end of her life.
Not sure what's wrong with Plan B. They have enough zygotes to ensure genectic diversity, but they only need to raise one or two at a time.
That wouldn't make for much of a civilization. Say 5 kids every 10 years. By the time the kids were old enough to raise other kids, there wouldn't be many of them. Another issue with a small population is that anything goes wrong, which is very likely on a new planet and chances are everyone dies. Plan B would realistically had 20-60 adults to raise the new generation. With their deep sleep tech, they could have stacked in a lot more people.
Remember Plan A was a hoax, so they should have went for the max probability of having B succeed.
Really? Physicists are praising the movie's accuracy left and right.
4.) The shape of the black hole's accretion disk - this could be some new development - but due to the law of conservation of angular momentum, the accretion disk is generally flat.
Von Tunzelmann tried a tricky demo. She generated a flat, multicolored ring—a stand-in for the accretion disk—and positioned it around their spinning black hole. Something very, very weird happened. “We found that warping space around the black hole also warps the accretion disk,” Franklin says. “So rather than looking like Saturn's rings around a black sphere, the light creates this extraordinary halo.”
That's what led Thorne to his “why, of course” moment when he first saw the final effect. The Double Negative team thought it must be a bug in the renderer. But Thorne realized that they had correctly modeled a phenomenon inherent in the math he'd supplied.
Still, no one knew exactly what a black hole would look like until they actually built one. Light, temporarily trapped around the black hole, produced an unexpectedly complex fingerprint pattern near the black hole's shadow. And the glowing accretion disk appeared above the black hole, below the black hole, and in front of it. “I never expected that,” Thorne says. “Eugénie just did the simulations and said, ‘Hey, this is what I got.’ It was just amazing.”
3.) If I remember correctly, they never showed how he exits the event horizon and gets back to the wormhole(?). Although that scene inside the even horizon - near or at the singularity - was really creative, they seemed to have made a lot of leaps of faith, if you will, with the actual science behind it. The whole point of the blackhole is that space-time bends onto itself - no matter what direction one goes (even if that one is 'light'), one will never be able to exit the event horizon - as determined by the star's Schwarzchild radius.
I think this can be explained by the super-beings that control gravity from the future.
4.) The shape of the black hole's accretion disk - this could be some new development - but due to the law of conservation of angular momentum, the accretion disk is generally flat. The shape they had it where there was another ring that was perpendicular to the 'main' accretion disk just seemed off. In an active black hole (rotating), the black hole pushes out matter along the plane of the accretion disk, not perpendicular to it - except for immensely large gamma ray jets that are sometimes light years in length. The mass then falls on to the accretion disk and gets ejected - what we see as 'quasars.' They never showed any jets of energy near the active black hole which seemed odd.
that was everywhere. It is just a bad sound track for IMAX. People all over the country complained about not hearing quiet dialog over the background music.
But damn, I would love to see Nolan do something that's truly risky or interesting for once.
Saw this last night and this post will contain spoilers.
Overall, I am disappointed in it. If they had removed everything that had to do with the ghost and that entire sequence after Cooper entered the black hole, I could forgive the pseudo science. If that was removed, it would have been one of the best movies I've seen in awhile. It had great drama, acting, characters, sound and especially visuals. Had they just sent him through the blackhole and said "the message with the data got through and we found you years later floating through space!" I'd have been much happier. I went in expecting a science fiction movie and got a Jesus fiction movie.
Eh?
Sounds like you got the science fiction you were after.
Did you hate 2001 because of the monolith?
This had nothing to do with gods, and everything to do with applying human interaction to the higher dimensions proposed in M-theory/string theory.
I don't argue you have to like it, but the joy of science fiction is sometimes going beyond 100% fact and applying a little fiction.
Well, I've been out of the Physics loop for a few years now but from what I recall of blackhole cosmology, the things that really seemed scientifically inaccurate were:
*POTENTIAL SPOILERS*
1.) The time-dilation on that planet w/ the tsunami-like waves where 1 hour equals 7 solar years - for such an incredible dilation of time, the gravitational force would have to be so high that they would be much closer to the event horizon of the blackhole. This in turn would have catastrophic effects on the planet, rendering it uninhabitable. The crew would have become subatomic pancakes before they entered the atmosphere of the planet. And, no liquid water would exist with such gravitational force.
No. It was a rapidly rotating supermassive black hole which causes relativistic effects further out.
2.) The part where he 'drops off' to go into the black hole is made to look so close that there is no rocket, even in imaginary terms, capable of surviving such a thing. The tidal friction, caused by the immense gravity of the blackhole, will cause everything, let alone the spaceship, to become subatomic particles as it approaches the event horizon. The fundamental theorem behind GR is that as velocity approaches the speed of light (c), time slows down (and mass increases). So, to the person outside of the even horizon, the guy would appear to be at the edge FOREVER (even after he has fallen in and gone beyond the point of no return). T = 0 at the event horizon for someone observing from 'outside.' Time comes to a standstill at the event horizon - that is where the science as we know breaks down. They missed that completely.
No. For supermassive black hole, the tidal forces do not cause destructive spaghettification until well inside the EH.
3.) If I remember correctly, they never showed how he exits the event horizon and gets back to the wormhole(?). Although that scene inside the even horizon - near or at the singularity - was really creative, they seemed to have made a lot of leaps of faith, if you will, with the actual science behind it. The whole point of the blackhole is that space-time bends onto itself - no matter what direction one goes (even if that one is 'light'), one will never be able to exit the event horizon - as determined by the star's Schwarzchild radius.
addressed previously
4.) The shape of the black hole's accretion disk - this could be some new development - but due to the law of conservation of angular momentum, the accretion disk is generally flat. The shape they had it where there was another ring that was perpendicular to the 'main' accretion disk just seemed off. In an active black hole (rotating), the black hole pushes out matter along the plane of the accretion disk, not perpendicular to it - except for immensely large gamma ray jets that are sometimes light years in length. The mass then falls on to the accretion disk and gets ejected - what we see as 'quasars.' They never showed any jets of energy near the active black hole which seemed odd.
Effect is caused by rotating black hole.
5.) The other thing is that the matter that is sucked into a black hole, as it approaches the event horizon, is so high energy that it becomes gamma rays - the most powerful form of any electromagnetic wave (EM) - this is way beyond the visible spectrum so the spaceship being that close to the black hole means that they would not be able to SEE anything! Since the light source (energy) is emitted in the form of gamma rays and then 'cools' down and stretches and finally falls into the visible spectrum, we, on earth, are able to observe the light as visible material around the black hole. But being so close to the black hole, they would not have 'seen' anything there.
No. Ever hear of the thermal spectrum? Just because something is hot enough to emit x-rays doesn't mean it no longer emits visible wavelengths. Quite the contrary.
I heard they consulted Kip Thorne @ Caltech for this project. Either I'm way off base with what I saw, or Kip has gone off the deep end. I would wager it's me since I didn't get millions to advise Chris Nolan on this movie.
2001 the movie, no, because it didn't explain anything about the monolith. 2001 the book? Absolutely. Once Bowman becomes the star child, I was severely let down. I was okay with the monolith and the aliens forcing evolution and intelligent life. I prefer my scifi to exclude gods.
It was about fighting to stay alive, to maintain dignity, and to uphold human values like family in the face of a crisis that finally proves we're not the center of the universe.
There were no gods, so I'm confused by this statement. :\
Advanced beings that understand higher dimensions or the universe does not equal gods. Godly compared to lowly humans who dwell in spacetime, sure, but not divine bible gods. Aliens seeding intelligence should piss you off, so I see you drawing very strange lines in the sand and this confuses me.
i thoroughly enjoyed it as well. however, it said nothing about us (humans) not being the center of the universe, let alone prove it. not a single other lifeform was encountered or even shown.
in fact, it almost suggests that we are indeed the badass center of the universe as we are the ones that evolved to be able to create wormholes and tesseracts and manipulate time / gravity / space to save ourselves
While Cooper doesn't become a traditional god, some evolved being gives him to ability to manipulate time and gravity in order to pass information obtained in a black hole back to his daughter. That is stupid. Had they removed that entire part and simply explain a message was able to get through with the data and Cooper was found flying some 40 years later, I'd be perfectly okay with that.