iPhone 5S/5C thread

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

It's almost pointless to try. There're too many other variables involved. For example, the WiFi battery life depends on how good the radio in the phone is, and the newer radios tend to be a lot more efficient.

Really the best way to do a test like this would to find out how much power the screen draws by itself. The easiest way to do that would probably be to disconnect the screen from the phone's power source and measure how much it draws from a monitored external source.

No but that's the point. The other factors are meant to stay in there. If we keep going down the road of identifying differentiating factors, then at a certain point you can only compare similar generation phones because the old ones always have old tech.

However, once you normalize for screen size and resolution, it becomes pretty clear regarding efficiency.

Edit: Okay you're right this is a bunch of bullshit. I'm now just trying to analyze system efficiency in a wifi test which doesn't necessarily correlate to real world performance.

 

[desura]

android phones are good on paper, but kinda suck IRL.

Like, I just got a Nexus 4 for a family member.

It's alright. Like, it's fast and was pretty cheap and stuff.

But honestly, I'm more impressed by Windows 8 and iOS devices. They scroll better, and seem to have more personality.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Stats show that Apple retain their customers much better than Android. Anecdotal doesn't mean much.

Razor thin? 7.6mm isn't thin enough for you? Its one of the thinnest phones you can get.



Apple doesn't make a change unless they know for sure its what will make the device better. Have you seen a history of their products or their website? For the most part it doesn't change much.

This is their discipline in keeping things simple. Throwing the kitchen sink in with phones XYZ giga megahz isn't their style. Their product names reflect that as well and doesn't read like a serial number.

Focus is what saved their company from disappearing, they're not going to give that up.

People say Apple is slow to change, or uses slow change to hype up changes that have been made in the Android world or on other OSes. Whatever the theory is, in the end it works out pretty well.

During the iOS4 launch, Steve said that they may not be the first to implement things, but it works damn well. Sure we made fun of them for copy and paste, but the Android implementation was piss poor til Gingerbread came out. People laughed at them for multitasking, yet Android's memory management system isn't perfect and takes 2gb RAM or massive specs in general to make it decent. People made fun of them for MMS which didn't come til iOS4, yet Android messaging apps fail at MMS left and right. Hell group MMS didn't hit til Android 4.2.

You don't HAVE to be the first one there especially if your implementation is meh at best. It's like saying Android had dual core CPUs first, but what good did that do? I guess it made the OS less of a lagfest. But in the end the lag issue required OS level changes as well as yet even faster CPUs like Kraits and quad cores to solve.

So yeah, I do want Apple to pick up the pace and jump in, but its slow and steady pace hasn't really hurt it too much. Sure they may not be market leaders, but their products to me are pretty well polished and if you look at the evolution since 2007, they've come a LONG way.

People are just giving it flak for the big screen. If they released a 4.5" phone instead, I bet a lot of the criticism would go away, and we would be even more focused on the 5C pricing.

 

[QueBert]

The more videos I watch and the more I read about iOS 7, I'm definitely not getting the new iPhone. I really like the finger print reader and the motion sensor thing. But I don't like how iOS 7 looks at all. IMHO 6 was absolutely perfect to me, 7's ugly and unappealing. Thankfully I can get an iPhone 5 and just never upgrade it to iOS 7.

 

[Ravynmagi]

Why has Apple been so stubborn about screen size?

Can't be consistency (aka marking touting reaching all of screen) as we all remember Steve being against what we call today the iPad Mini.

Can't be lack of technology, plenty of 1080p screens to chose from.

Can't be battery life as Android has shown them the solution (bigger battery duh)

So why is it?

I think iOS has an issue with new screen resolutions. I'm not sure of the details, are apps hard coded to certain sizes or something. Like with the iPhone 5 came out with the newer wider resolution, for a while some apps had blackbars on the sides until app developers updated the app to support the new resolution.

When the iPad 3 came out, they were able to exactly double the width and height pixels from 1024x768 to 2048x1366, so iOS could just double the size of apps to make it fit the screen without developers having to update the app for the new resolution.

The iPad mini got stuck at 1024x768 because putting a 2048x1366 display on a 8 inch tablet was not really doable (at the $330 price anyway) a year ago. And something a little better like 1280x1024 would probably not work without apps being updated.

I think that's Apples problem with making a larger iPhone. iPhone 5 added 1136x640 resolution and putting that resolution on a larger 4.7 inch phone would fall below Retina standards. So they either need to add yet another new custom resolution that would require apps to be updated. Or wait until they can make a 2252x1280 resolution display.

With 1920x1080 common place now, it may not be long before maybe Apple can produce 2252x1280 resolution displays for a larger iPhone.

 

[Ravynmagi]

android phones are good on paper, but kinda suck IRL.

Like, I just got a Nexus 4 for a family member.

It's alright. Like, it's fast and was pretty cheap and stuff.

But honestly, I'm more impressed by Windows 8 and iOS devices. They scroll better, and seem to have more personality.

Yeah, there is a trade off.

iOS and WP8 really limit how much you can customize and personalize the phone's UI. You can rearrange tiles and icon's on those two operating systems. Android provides significantly more functionality, you can run custom launchers that dramatically change the look and feel of the OS and widgets that provide more quick glance information.

I have an iPhone and WP8, but I would have a hard time giving up the the flexibility of Android. Though I do look forwards to iOS 7 and the Control Center.

 

[Ravynmagi]

The more videos I watch and the more I read about iOS 7, I'm definitely not getting the new iPhone. I really like the finger print reader and the motion sensor thing. But I don't like how iOS 7 looks at all. IMHO 6 was absolutely perfect to me, 7's ugly and unappealing. Thankfully I can get an iPhone 5 and just never upgrade it to iOS 7.

Meh, I think that's something that I will get used to pretty quick. There are some big changes in iOS 7 I'm really looking forward to, so I can get used to the silly frosted glass look pretty quick. I'm an Android user and when I'm on my iPhone or iPad I really miss my quick settings that iOS 7 will finally add.

 

[Mopetar]

No but that's the point. The other factors are meant to stay in there. If we keep going down the road of identifying differentiating factors, then at a certain point you can only compare similar generation phones because the old ones always have old tech.

However, once you normalize for screen size and resolution, it becomes pretty clear regarding efficiency.

The problem is that there are far too many variables that need to be controlled for to do that kind of analysis.

There's screen type (IPS LCD, IGZO LCD, OLED, etc.), resolution, size, brightness (if you're not testing everything at a uniform brightness level it's going to skew results), and that doesn't even get to what the device is doing. If it's any kind of wireless test it depends on the quality of the radio, just like a video test depends on the decoder being used. Further, the efficiency of the SoC and OS can come into play if we're rendering web pages or running some kind of app.

There aren't enough data points to be able to get a useful conclusion and control for all of the different variables that will impact the results.

The only way to easily isolate what we're interested would be to use a multimeter or something similar in order to measure the actual power draw of the screen.

 

[sweenish]

This has been utterly asinine.

I can't believe I read most of that.

 

[bearxor]

I think iOS has an issue with new screen resolutions. I'm not sure of the details, are apps hard coded to certain sizes or something. Like with the iPhone 5 came out with the newer wider resolution, for a while some apps had blackbars on the sides until app developers updated the app to support the new resolution.

When the iPad 3 came out, they were able to exactly double the width and height pixels from 1024x768 to 2048x1366, so iOS could just double the size of apps to make it fit the screen without developers having to update the app for the new resolution.

The iPad mini got stuck at 1024x768 because putting a 2048x1366 display on a 8 inch tablet was not really doable (at the $330 price anyway) a year ago. And something a little better like 1280x1024 would probably not work without apps being updated.

I think that's Apples problem with making a larger iPhone. iPhone 5 added 1136x640 resolution and putting that resolution on a larger 4.7 inch phone would fall below Retina standards. So they either need to add yet another new custom resolution that would require apps to be updated. Or wait until they can make a 2252x1280 resolution display.

With 1920x1080 common place now, it may not be long before maybe Apple can produce 2252x1280 resolution displays for a larger iPhone.

I'm pretty much expecting a screen size increase and a pixel double next year. I also have a great use for the M7 chip with regards to that.

What has Apple claimed they love about the iPhone? The width. The one handed-ness. If Apple unleashes a new iPhone next year with a bigger screen, I think the M7 chip will be used to determine which hand is holding the phone and then automatically shift the keyboard to make it more comfortable to use for whichever side you need to type on. Would seem to be the best way to solve the corner Apple's painted themselves in to.

 

[shady28]

Apple is the biggest tech company in the world, bigger than Google, IBM, Samsung, Microsoft, and Intel.

This is not exactly true. It would be if you were talking about 'market cap', ie the value of all outstanding stock shares, but in the real world it's really about revenue and net income.

Apple is #1 in net income.

It's #2 in revenue. Samsung is #1 in revenue. People forget about all the other crap Samsung does, sectors where it is dominant outside of phones.

In fact, by revenue (sales), Samsung is roughly the same size as Apple, Microsoft, and Intel COMBINED.

I'm not 'bragging' on Samsung, I don't like their Phones at all, though I do like their TVs. People should understand they are biggest player though.


Samsung :

Revenue US$ 268.8 billion (FY 2012)[1]
Net income US$ 26.2 billion(FY 2012)[1]

Apple :

Revenue US$ 156.508 billion (2012)[4]
Net income US$ 41.733 billion (2012)[4]

 

[Eug]

I was talking market cap, which is also important when talking about company "value", aka pension plans and investment portfolios, esp. for North Americans.

But regardless, both companies are ginormous, and naturally there would be interest in both companies' penetration into China.

 

[lopri]

Why the fishnet holes? (C's official case) The half-hidden name/logo sticks out like a sore thumb.

 

[Crono]

Why the fishnet holes? (C's official case) The half-hidden name/logo sticks out like a sore thumb.

Maybe they originally designed the cases without holes, and then late into the manufacturing process found out that the phones were overheating with them on, so they decided to cut out holes. Then they got Jony Ive to sell the idea as a style choice rather than a solution to a mistake. How I imagine it went down:

"It's the absence of the expected that brings out the visual style. We decided to bring out complexity by using simplicity, in order to make it magical. Because it's so minimal, it becomes better. "

 

[WelshBloke]

Why the fishnet holes? (C's official case) The half-hidden name/logo sticks out like a sore thumb.

They look weirdly 80s to me, not sure why though.

 

[Crono]

They look weirdly 80s to me, not sure why though.

More 50s and 60s, though polka dots are cyclical in design and fashion. Mid 2000s in the UK they were a thing. Here is a list of other things the 5C looks like.

Also, Apple should market iOS 7 and the 5C with Polka Dot Man (never knew that was a superhero until now):

 

[lopri]

I was thinking something more in line of..

 

[lopri]

Anyways.. if it's really for ventilation, that'd be hilarious. The cutout for camera looks funky as well. (though I suppose there is no other way)

 

[lothar]

The more videos I watch and the more I read about iOS 7, I'm definitely not getting the new iPhone. I really like the finger print reader and the motion sensor thing. But I don't like how iOS 7 looks at all. IMHO 6 was absolutely perfect to me, 7's ugly and unappealing. Thankfully I can get an iPhone 5 and just never upgrade it to iOS 7.

Sooner or later, you'll have to upgrade your phone.
You ran away from Android to a Nokia WP7, then back to Android on a Galaxy Note, then iOS on an iPhone 4S.

iOS 7 is here to stay, get used to it because it will still look the same in iOS 8 and probably iOS 9.
Where are you going to go next? BB10? Firefox OS?

I'm not sure I understand why people care more about "looks" than function.
I guess that's why I'm an Android user running CM10 on a Nexus 4.

Besides a few icons that look horribly bad on iOS 7, I don't get your particular hatred for it that would make you refuse all future upgrades on your phone over it.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

450,000 iPhones in a 777: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...hts-from-china-to-your-local-apple-store.html

That's insane. That's ALMOST as expensive as a 777-300ER which is just a tad above $300 million according to my Boeing tour last summer. Can you imagine if one of those planes crashed? Damn that's a lot of revenue down the drain jeez. Shipping insurance?

 

[Rakehellion]

I was wondering about this too, but it looks like it's only stored on the phone.

Or at least that's what they claim.

/conspiracy

That would be illegal, hence the only one who'd have use for it is law enforcement.

And while your Skype calls are monitored, the NSA couldn't get their hands on Facetime and iMessage data.

 

[Rakehellion]

The saw Nokia and Motorola offering color phones, so they decided to do the same thing.
"Can't innovate anymore, my ass", my ass.

Riiiight, like back in 1998 when they offered iMacs in different colors and every computer manufacturer copied them.

 

[Mopetar]

Maybe they originally designed the cases without holes, and then late into the manufacturing process found out that the phones were overheating with them on, so they decided to cut out holes. Then they got Jony Ive to sell the idea as a style choice rather than a solution to a mistake.

My guess is that they wanted it to kind of look like iOS 7. The less bold and slightly washed out colors look more likes those that were shown off when they introduced the OS. As to the pattern on the back, it does kind of look like the OS when it pulls some layer over the icons.

I really can't see the appeal, but that just means that they'll probably end up selling tens of millions of them.

 

[Crono]

Riiiight, like back in 1998 when they offered iMacs in different colors and every computer manufacturer copied them.

Riiiight, like color products weren't around back then or even earlier.

What we are talking about is now, this current generation of products. Apple moved away from color designs a few years ago, even eschewing them in their logo. Nokia releases phones with bright colors two years ago - based on and in conjunction with Microsoft's color scheme for Windows Phone - and gains more success internationally (limited success here) with them, and then there is a rumor over the past few months that Apple is releasing a "cheaper" color iPhone range. I should be clear, it's not Nokia's color palette as much as it is Microsoft's, since HTC similarly made color phones for their Windows Phone lines. Apple is advertising that iOS 7's background matches your phone color choice. Sound familiar?

Even if they came up with the idea independently and not as a reaction to Microsoft/Nokia, Nokia did it better with truly cheaper phones available, and it's pretty obvious and funny that Apple is advertising the colors as if they are the only ones doing so.

 

[StrangerGuy]

450,000 iPhones in a 777: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...hts-from-china-to-your-local-apple-store.html

That's insane. That's ALMOST as expensive as a 777-300ER which is just a tad above $300 million according to my Boeing tour last summer. Can you imagine if one of those planes crashed? Damn that's a lot of revenue down the drain jeez. Shipping insurance?

Probably still less risky then transit by ship with things like container theft.