IPS Monitor Gaming - Very Good

LOUISSSSS

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I've been using the IPS Panel Asus VN248 (24") to play a bunch of games recently and I cannot complain; everything is very smooth. As good as any of my past TN panels. Maybe my games aren't speed intensive enough... but heres my list that i am having no problems with thus far:

-CS:S
-CS:Go . I play CS pretty competitively and the monitor is as fast as I can see.

-Sleeping Dogs
-Sniper Elite V2 - Graphics very smooth and effects very good in this game
-Saints Row IV

Why are people still worried about getting a better IPS monitor but not being able to game?
 

bystander36

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Usually when people talk about TN's giving smoother performance, they are referring to 120/144hz monitors, not 60hz. If using a 60hz TN monitor, the only benefit is less ghosting or motion blur.
 

toyota

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you will have more judder on the IPS panel when looking around compared to a fast TN panel. the difference will vary from screen to screen and from game to game. also usually a TN panel has less input lag but again that can vary too.
 

PCunicorn

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Usually when people talk about TN's giving smoother performance, they are referring to 120/144hz monitors, not 60hz. If using a 60hz TN monitor, the only benefit is less ghosting or motion blur.

Yeah, this. There are very few, if any IPS monitors over 90Hz.
 

imaheadcase

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you will have more judder on the IPS panel when looking around compared to a fast TN panel depending on the person. the difference will vary from screen to screen and from game to game, and person to person. also usually a TN panel has less input lag but again that can vary too, from person to person.

fixed it for you.
 

toyota

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fixed it for you.
that makes no sense. the lag and judder does not vary from person to person only from monitor to monitor and game to game. if they notice or not does not change that. of course you are the person that claims to get no tearing ever too which pretty much means anything you have to say about monitors or image quality is meaningless.
 

bystander36

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that makes no sense. the lag and judder does not vary from person to person only from monitor to monitor and game to game. if they notice or not does not change that. of course you are the person that claims to get no tearing ever too which pretty much means anything you have to say about monitors or image quality is meaningless.
^^ Pretty much.

What would be interesting is if you were to play two side by side systems, one with judder, microstutter and/or tearing, and one without any of those problems. Even though you say you don't notice it, I'd bet you actually prefer the one without it, when compared side by side.
 

hans030390

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I've been using the IPS Panel Asus VN248 (24") to play a bunch of games recently and I cannot complain; everything is very smooth. As good as any of my past TN panels. Maybe my games aren't speed intensive enough... but heres my list that i am having no problems with thus far..

Compare it to a good 100-144Hz monitor with LightBoost enabled and you will see it for the comparatively blurry mess the IPS is in motion.

That said, my 60Hz IPS is about on par with a decently fast TN panel. OCing it to 120Hz makes a noticeable difference, in which case it's still decent but doesn't quite compare to my 120Hz and 144Hz Asus monitors (without LightBoost enabled). Close enough that I don't care, though.
 

poohbear

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Personally i prefer the color quality & full view of IPS monitors (ie if move to the left or right the screen gets dark on TN panels)
 

Will Robinson

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I game on a Dell Ultrasharp U2410 which is H-IPS.
There is no ghosting or redraw delays.
I guess 120Hz IPS is the next holy grail to aspire to.
 

Wall Street

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The numbers don't lie. Fast response time may not be your #1 priority, but the 144 Hz TN gaming monitors are faster (see link). I am guessing that if BenQ or ASUS could make an IPS with that kind of speed they would, but right now they can't.

EDIT: It is also very important to point out that refresh rate and input delay are not the same thing. Even a 120 Hz monitor can have input lag and not every 60 Hz monitor has the same input lag.
 
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MrK6

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I remember people laughing at my Dell laptop I showed up with to CS and CS:S competitions years ago when everyone was still lugging around their CRT. I still ended up dominating, and it's not magic. "Fast" gaming monitors are largely a marketing ploy, probably one level above "gaming network cards." There's perceivable differences, but for the large part it doesn't matter. What people don't understand is your brain fills in the information it needs. You can tell the difference side by side, but afterwards it will quickly adjust. It's similar how you can assemble a 3D world out of multi-monitor setup. Furthermore, since LAN's are largely a thing of the past, today's world of online play and lag further negates the minuscule differences in image timing.

What your brain can't compensate for is the awful image quality a TN panel gives. There's no point in playing a game if you're staring at garbage, even if it's refreshing slightly faster. The importance increases if you do even more things with your computer, like content creation, movies, etc. Anywho, as you can see in this thread, some people have been sold hook, line, and sinker on faster refresh while these companies are laughing all the way to the bank.
 

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Furthermore, since LAN's are largely a thing of the past, today's world of online play and lag further negates the minuscule differences in image timing.

I don't know about that. The article I linked to at Tom's has several of the monitors with more latency than my ping (I usually play on servers with ~20-30 ping). Also, game engines tend to compensate for network latency, but don't compensate for the monitor.
 

bystander36

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The numbers don't lie. Fast response time may not be your #1 priority, but the 144 Hz TN gaming monitors are faster (see link). I am guessing that if BenQ or ASUS could make an IPS with that kind of speed they would, but right now they can't.

EDIT: It is also very important to point out that refresh rate and input delay are not the same thing. Even a 120 Hz monitor can have input lag and not every 60 Hz monitor has the same input lag.


But you do have to recognize that 60 FPS results in 8ms more delay than 120 FPS due to rendering time.
 
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So does the game pace impact how the monitor is reviewed? The term "Game" can be misinterpreted. There are lots of types of games out there. Everything from Solitaire to e.g. Unreal Tournament III.
 

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My biggest issue with TN panels is the gamma shift along the vertical axis when the screen is 24"+. The top of the screen looks darker than the bottom of the screen sitting head on with the monitor. It is something I could never get over. The smoothness of 120hz was not worth the washed out colors and gamma shift. I'm not a competitive gamer, so the extra response isn't worth the IQ decrease.
 

hans030390

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The numbers don't lie. Fast response time may not be your #1 priority, but the 144 Hz TN gaming monitors are faster (see link). I am guessing that if BenQ or ASUS could make an IPS with that kind of speed they would, but right now they can't.

EDIT: It is also very important to point out that refresh rate and input delay are not the same thing. Even a 120 Hz monitor can have input lag and not every 60 Hz monitor has the same input lag.

Yes, just because some folks can't see a noticeable difference doesn't mean that difference isn't there. That's not to say a difference is unacceptable or bad necessarily, as it all comes down to personal needs and wants. I get the impression that most decent LCD monitors, even IPS, are more than adequate for most, even gamers.

I remember people laughing at my Dell laptop I showed up with to CS and CS:S competitions years ago when everyone was still lugging around their CRT. I still ended up dominating, and it's not magic. "Fast" gaming monitors are largely a marketing ploy, probably one level above "gaming network cards." There's perceivable differences, but for the large part it doesn't matter. What people don't understand is your brain fills in the information it needs. You can tell the difference side by side, but afterwards it will quickly adjust. It's similar how you can assemble a 3D world out of multi-monitor setup. Furthermore, since LAN's are largely a thing of the past, today's world of online play and lag further negates the minuscule differences in image timing.

What your brain can't compensate for is the awful image quality a TN panel gives. There's no point in playing a game if you're staring at garbage, even if it's refreshing slightly faster. The importance increases if you do even more things with your computer, like content creation, movies, etc. Anywho, as you can see in this thread, some people have been sold hook, line, and sinker on faster refresh while these companies are laughing all the way to the bank.

Your brain can compensate for about anything to an extent, including poor picture quality. At the very least, it adjusts and gets used to different things.

It is true that a faster monitor isn't going to make up for lesser skills. Not that skills and in-game stats are everything...have you considered that some people are just more comfortable (eye strain) playing on a faster monitor regardless of skill? I primarily use a higher refresh rate for comfort and eye strain purposes rather than for gaming, though the smoother motion absolutely helps to a small degree.

Also, have you read the articles on 2D LightBoost? I've seen a gamer's KDR for Battlefield 3 posted, and it had a noticeable increase after said gamer started using 2D LightBoost. Why? A much clearer image while in motion. Your brain can only compensate so much for "imperfect" information (ghosting, motion blur, etc.), and some are more sensitive to smooth and clear motion than others. Also, certain games will see more benefit from clearer, smoother motion than others. Battlefield 3 is obviously a good example of a game that benefits, as would CS. Some simply care more about higher refresh rates and clearer motion than perfect picture quality. That said, a gamer will likely see more benefit going to 2D LightBoost than they will going from 60Hz to 120Hz (2D LightBoost already has the benefit of requiring at least 100Hz refresh rate, though you need the rig to push those frames in games or you get judder).

You're also exaggerating the lesser picture quality of TN panels. While there are some truly terrible high refresh rate monitors on the market, you can get 120Hz displays geared towards gaming that are actually quite good in all areas except maybe viewing angles (easy to work with unless you are clueless when it comes to monitor placement or are stuck in a less-than-optimal setup). 120Hz panels have been so beneficial to my eyes even outside of gaming (less eye strain due to smoother movements...I can see differences in refresh rates up to around 100-110Hz or so). My brain can only compensate for 60Hz so much now...I can never un-see the difference if there's any sort of motion on the display. Picture quality is still very important to me, but it doesn't do much to help with eye strain. This is, of course, assuming I'm not using a terrible TN panel, but apparently the hardcore IPS users have tried nothing but terrible TNs...

This is why I have my PLS monitor OCed to 120Hz. I literally get the best of both worlds while the rest of you make exaggerated claims to "prove" your personal needs and tastes as some sort of fact. Don't get me wrong...I've steered people towards 60Hz displays if I knew they had no need for a higher refresh rate but did need solid picture quality.

Also, LAN parties aren't quite dead yet. Indiana University has 2 large ones a year, a couple of which have been around 400-500 people the past two school years.
 

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I have a NEC EA231WMi-BK e-ips monitor. You can run it at 83hz with a custom .inf if you use display port. ~8.8ms response time IPS quality with more than adequate gaming performance. In my experience as long as you get over 72hz @ 72fps you have gone most of the way to the smoothest experience. 60hz @ 60fps is definitely too slow.
 
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