And it is a fact that 10ms makes not a damn difference in the world and nobody is going to notice it. Human reaction time is 150-250 mS. All you get from spending an extra $200 on a monitor is 10mS at most. It is factually insignificant.
http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/
Your whole post reeks of snide pompousness, but this remark here is just so far outside the mainstream that it is nonsensical. The vast majority of people would disagree that you "can't" get a "decent" monitor for under $200.
And it is a fact that 10ms makes not a damn difference in the world and nobody is going to notice it. Human reaction time is 150-250 mS. All you get from spending an extra $200 on a monitor is 10mS at most. It is factually insignificant.
http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/
Go there and do that test then try telling me that the best monitor in the world is going to give you a significantly better score than a $200 panel. I'd be surprised if it improved your score by 5%. What is 5%? Nothing... The fact is that your own reaction time in mS naturally varies by an order of magnitude more than the difference in mS between a $200 monitor and a $400 monitor.
I like my monitor for gaming, I do think quite often it is a placebo when people say these "gaming" monitors are that much better. They might be every so slightly better, but why sacrifice so much image quality just for that ever so slight advantage? I agree sacrifice the image quality if you are doing it for money otherwise no.
How exactly did we go from the OP to the 'discussion' above? It's late and I'm on my phone so am hardly inclined to make a detailed post. Suffice to say that there is some GENUINE garbage posted above as fact, especially regarding IPS monitors that can be overclocked to about 120hz. I certainly hope no-one reading this thread has made major purchasing decisions based solely on this thread.
Not everyone is a competitive gamer.Competitive gamers are generally pompous,idiots who look at awful graphics and get their fun from that type of gaming....they lower graphics options to minimum for speed and look at horrible graphics while playing.Show me a single thing I've posted about the Korean panels that isn't true? Don't come in here with no information and just decry everything I've said. If you're telling me I'm wrong then you're calling the entire community at 120hz.net and other sites I've seen YOU frequent wrong. I got my information from benchmarks and tests done by dozens of people over at least 3 different forums.
If something *IS* wrong then I'll ask you to kindly give me some factual information and a link so I can admit my mistake and get the information. Until then how about you don't post at all.
Oh, and I'm not a lag freak. In fact I don't even game on a 120hz monitor yet, but I've used them and I've seen the difference with my own two eyes. I just hate when people make proclamations on the internet like "30ms doesn't matter" or "reaction times are slower so it can't make a difference" which are completely ignorant and false. They are attempting to justify their own purchase or opinion at the expense of TRUTH.
All I care about is accurate, FACTUAL information. I've provided what I understand to be that. Please, enlighten me if I'm wrong.
Edit: regardless of the discussion about Korean panels, the fact is this: For gaming IPS is significantly inferior to TN. Period. I don't care about higher resolutions or color quality, we aren't talking about photo editing by graphics designers. We are talking about gaming performance, that was the OP. Gaming performance is NEVER as good on an IPS as a TN panel, end of story.
Edit: regardless of the discussion about Korean panels, the fact is this: For gaming IPS is significantly inferior to TN. Period. I don't care about higher resolutions or color quality, we aren't talking about photo editing by graphics designers. We are talking about gaming performance, that was the OP. Gaming performance is NEVER as good on an IPS as a TN panel, end of story.
What a joke. Turn off vsync and be able to run 50+FPS and you do just fine in FPS on the PC. Plus if you're using an IPS the game actually looks great with no colour shifting or washed out TN crap.
A 16 year old boy who gets a cheque every month from Razer and Monster Energy drinks to play counter-strike might care about a few extra ms of lag in a FPS online, but no one else is going to be affected in any major way.
Nothing is worth giving up IPS for, no compromises. Put more features on IPS, forget the TN panels.
Every pixel on a TN panel is a bad pixel.
If you're a competitive gamer, you're going to have a dedicated gaming monitor. Normal gamers and people never going to become competitive gamers, simply don't need the TN garbage and should just go with an IPS/VA panel if they can afford one, end of discussion.
IPS panels have dropped significantly in price. My 23" IPS panel from around 2005 cost ~$1k. Nowadays, you can get two 27" 1440p for that much. Actually, if you adjust for inflation, that $1k is probably more like $1200 in 2013 dollars.
IPS monitor makers should set up booths at computer stores with IPS 1440p/1600p alongside 1080p TN screens. The difference is night and day and even more stark when you put them side by side compared to using one then the other.
There is just no substitute for IPS. TN is unacceptable, far too abysmal a compromise on image quality for small response time gains or high refresh rates.
IPS is the current ideal until technologies like OLED mature, until then the wait is for higher refresh rates to migrate over to IPS. Then we can go from there. Certainly not go backwards to low resolution and low quality TN screens. Especially with IPS thankfully becoming more and more affordable as time passes.
Every pixel on a TN panel is a bad pixel.
If you're a competitive gamer, you're going to have a dedicated gaming monitor. Normal gamers and people never going to become competitive gamers, simply don't need the TN garbage and should just go with an IPS/VA panel if they can afford one, end of discussion.
IPS panels have dropped significantly in price. My 23" IPS panel from around 2005 cost ~$1k. Nowadays, you can get two 27" 1440p for that much. Actually, if you adjust for inflation, that $1k is probably more like $1200 in 2013 dollars.
Your whole post reeks of snide pompousness, but this remark here is just so far outside the mainstream that it is nonsensical. The vast majority of people would disagree that you "can't" get a "decent" monitor for under $200.
And it is a fact that 10ms makes not a damn difference in the world and nobody is going to notice it. Human reaction time is 150-250 mS. All you get from spending an extra $200 on a monitor is 10mS at most. It is factually insignificant.
http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/
Go there and do that test then try telling me that the best monitor in the world is going to give you a significantly better score than a $200 panel. I'd be surprised if it improved your score by 5%. What is 5%? Nothing... The fact is that your own reaction time in mS naturally varies by an order of magnitude more than the difference in mS between a $200 monitor and a $400 monitor.
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You know, never mind. I'm done with this thread, the level of stupid is too strong. I'll leave with this:
"normal" gamers absolutely need less lag, less motion blur and better response times. In fact, they need them more than professional gamers. Why? Because their skill level is much lower and being able to play a game at their best potential is much more enjoyable than getting owned by some 14 year old nerd in his mom's basement playing on his "leet" gaming rig. I play a lot of multiplayer games (Counterstrike, LoL to name two) and in both communities I see threads on their forums EVERY DAY about how they are sick of losing for one reason or another and the blame is never themselves. They don't even consider that it could be 1) their own skill level or 2) their equipment.
In LoL it's: "I win my lane every game and I carry hard but my teammates are noobs and feed the whole game, ELO Hell is real, I'm at least Gold but I can't get out of Bronze"
In CS:GO it's: "Man, I play on teams and I frag hard but my team always lets me down or I get teamflashed. Any time we're winning it turns out one of them is hacking and toggles their cheats on halfway through and we can't stop them, I should be main and not open"
I've seen it thousands of times. I can't even tell you how frequently. You know what they ALL have in common?
1) They don't know their own skill level and they don't know how to get better. Most of them are genuinely bad at the game in one or more facets of the game. Maybe they are great at one thing but they don't understand all the other things that go into winning and so they lose and because they refuse to admit any fault they won't let anyone else help them by pointing out their failings without freaking out.
2) They don't understand the outside factors that go into an online multiplayer game. They don't know that a shitty IPS panel is giving them lag, they don't know that their wireless mouse (the old ones anyway) give them lag, they don't understand that their lack of a soundcard makes positional audio worse, they don't understand their 3mb internet with .5mb upload is causes their ping to be higher and their registration to be worse. They don't know that using a config file and configuring settings in the game can help them out. Each of those factors may be relatively small, but as a whole they add up to a huge advantage for anyone who DOES know those things.
The last thing I'm going to say before I leave is this: For single player games I'll concede that an IPS panel is *probably* fine for gaming. The fact is that in those games (Skyrim, Crysis, etc) that the game is all about the "experience" and so when you're watching cutscenes and panning over breathtaking scenery, YES, the graphics are better on an IPS and you will enjoy them more. However, for multiplayer gaming (CS:GO, LoL) and other games where you are playing against other people, TN panels, especially 120hz are not only superior but preferred. You aren't going to have the time or the scenery to look at to really enjoy an IPS and the lag will make a difference whether you know it or not. If you don't understand, I'm sorry, but you're ignorant and that doesn't mean you're stupid. It just means you really don't know any better and I wish you did.
IPS monitor makers should set up booths at computer stores with IPS 1440p/1600p alongside 1080p TN screens. The difference is night and day and even more stark when you put them side by side compared to using one then the other.
Teizo said:The thing that I find kind of odd is that back in the day when IPS was around 25ms across the board (I think it was that high..or maybe it was 15ms), and non-IPS where around 15 or so (or maybe it was 7..Alzheimer's is kicking in lol)....when 5ms TN monitors came out allot of people 'claimed' ghosting was gone. Then IPS was able to get down to 5ms and then all of a sudden 5ms was no longer good enough....you had to drop down to 2ms...and now 1ms.
you will have more judder on the IPS panel
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You know, never mind. I'm done with this thread, the level of stupid is too strong. I'll leave with this:
"normal" gamers absolutely need less lag, less motion blur and better response times. In fact, they need them more than professional gamers. Why? Because their skill level is much lower and being able to play a game at their best potential is much more enjoyable than getting owned by some 14 year old nerd in his mom's basement playing on his "leet" gaming rig. I play a lot of multiplayer games (Counterstrike, LoL to name two) and in both communities I see threads on their forums EVERY DAY about how they are sick of losing for one reason or another and the blame is never themselves. They don't even consider that it could be 1) their own skill level or 2) their equipment.
In LoL it's: "I win my lane every game and I carry hard but my teammates are noobs and feed the whole game, ELO Hell is real, I'm at least Gold but I can't get out of Bronze"
In CS:GO it's: "Man, I play on teams and I frag hard but my team always lets me down or I get teamflashed. Any time we're winning it turns out one of them is hacking and toggles their cheats on halfway through and we can't stop them, I should be main and not open"
I've seen it thousands of times. I can't even tell you how frequently. You know what they ALL have in common?
1) They don't know their own skill level and they don't know how to get better. Most of them are genuinely bad at the game in one or more facets of the game. Maybe they are great at one thing but they don't understand all the other things that go into winning and so they lose and because they refuse to admit any fault they won't let anyone else help them by pointing out their failings without freaking out.
2) They don't understand the outside factors that go into an online multiplayer game. They don't know that a shitty IPS panel is giving them lag, they don't know that their wireless mouse (the old ones anyway) give them lag, they don't understand that their lack of a soundcard makes positional audio worse, they don't understand their 3mb internet with .5mb upload is causes their ping to be higher and their registration to be worse. They don't know that using a config file and configuring settings in the game can help them out. Each of those factors may be relatively small, but as a whole they add up to a huge advantage for anyone who DOES know those things.
The last thing I'm going to say before I leave is this: For single player games I'll concede that an IPS panel is *probably* fine for gaming. The fact is that in those games (Skyrim, Crysis, etc) that the game is all about the "experience" and so when you're watching cutscenes and panning over breathtaking scenery, YES, the graphics are better on an IPS and you will enjoy them more. However, for multiplayer gaming (CS:GO, LoL) and other games where you are playing against other people, TN panels, especially 120hz are not only superior but preferred. You aren't going to have the time or the scenery to look at to really enjoy an IPS and the lag will make a difference whether you know it or not. If you don't understand, I'm sorry, but you're ignorant and that doesn't mean you're stupid. It just means you really don't know any better and I wish you did.
Sorry, but I'd rather not be sick when gaming.
Not everyone is a competitive gamer.Competitive gamers are generally pompous,idiots who look at awful graphics and get their fun from that type of gaming....they lower graphics options to minimum for speed and look at horrible graphics while playing.
If you get sick when gaming you need a new hobby