IPv6 Sucks

[IceByt3]

Why does my toaster need an IP! It dosen't thats why, every one gets one IP, and they go behind a NAT! You want to get rid of your NAT? Why? HMMM...
*sitting in the living room watching tv with someone, from the kitchen you hear pop*
Someone: What was that poping sound?
Me: Ohh, using IPv6 I got a new toaster that i could connect to the internet.
Someone: Why?
Me: So then i can make toast from school.
Someone: Why would you want that?
Me: Then I don't have to wait for the 30 seconds it takes to make toast...
Someone: you still had to put the toast in the toaster.
Me: Shut up <instert name here> its 1337....
Someone: Ok, well anyways back to before what was the popping sound.
Me: Oh, well it was the toaster popping, remember when XP came out and everyone was sending net send messages out?
Someone: You mean the messages that would pop up on your screen out of the blue when you were on the internet, advertising stuff?
Me: Yeah.
Someone: What does that have to do with it?
Me: Well now they do it with peoples toasters... They spell out netsend messages on your toast so up pops your bagel and written across it is, Do you want to stop these annoying toastups? Purchase Norton Personal Toaster Firewall and make these messages disappear forever...

Just my 2 cents.
Along with other reasons...
What about our firewalls whe are gonna need to get all new equipment, and stuff...

~Ryan

 

[spidey07]

um, if you have any clue about IPv6 you wouldn't make such ridiculous comments.

Address space is actually the least important of the features IPv6 improves upon.

flame time - you're an idiot

 

[loup garou]

Posting this crap in OT wasn't enough, eh?

 

[vortix]

yeah...you need to get a clue about IPv6 before posting stuff like this.

 

[ITJunkie]

Lets all send spam to his toaster

 

[eigen]

Do you get a spam sanwich if you send it to his toaster??What a tard.

 

[IceByt3]

If you were reading into my post it was ment as a joke compentary on IPv6. I understand what IPv6 is for. I understand why, it implements many new features, including QoS, priotorizing etc... The only point i was making is the problems that exist with our current technology, We have 32 bit address which right now allows 4G of IP's (theoritically) not inluding the ones used for other purposes.... but to change to 128 bit will some of our current devices, i know the company who makes my router said they cant implement it with a firmware upgrade. They have been having problems trying to fit it in the space they have available on the router, but otherwise the post was meant as a joke.

~Sorry you did not see the humor in what i was posting

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: IceByt3
If you were reading into my post it was ment as a joke compentary on IPv6. I understand what IPv6 is for. I understand why, it implements many new features, including QoS, priotorizing etc... The only point i was making is the problems that exist with our current technology, We have 32 bit address which right now allows 4G of IP's (theoritically) not inluding the ones used for other purposes.... but to change to 128 bit will some of our current devices, i know the company who makes my router said they cant implement it with a firmware upgrade. They have been having problems trying to fit it in the space they have available on the router, but otherwise the post was meant as a joke.

~Sorry you did not see the humor in what i was posting

The joke wasn't funny.
:frown:

 

[martind1]

not to mention if it was meant as a joke yous houdlve posted it in Off topic.

sadly though, I think you did mean waht you said.


You should know full well, that toaster protocol would be very strict and wouldn't allow net send types of actions. Unless of course it was a toaster OVEN. then there would be problems.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: martind1
not to mention if it was meant as a joke yous houdlve posted it in Off topic.

sadly though, I think you did mean waht you said.


You should know full well, that toaster protocol would be very strict and wouldn't allow net send types of actions. Unless of course it was a toaster OVEN. then there would be problems.

Just my 2 cents.
Along with other reasons...
What about our firewalls whe are gonna need to get all new equipment, and stuff...

Yep.

 

[gunrunnerjohn]

I think it'll be some time before IPv6 impacts the local user. There will be some major impact on large ISP's and the global backbone as it's moved into place long before it impacts individual users.

 

[Nothinman]

In the best case scenario it won't impact local users. How many users know they're using IPv4 right now? Once the DNS, routing, etc infrastructure is setup in all the ISPs a user would just get an IPv6 address if their software supports it. The biggest problem will be with Windows, since it's the farthest behind in IPv6 support AFAICT.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
In the best case scenario it won't impact local users. How many users know they're using IPv4 right now? Once the DNS, routing, etc infrastructure is setup in all the ISPs a user would just get an IPv6 address if their software supports it. The biggest problem will be with Windows, since it's the farthest behind in IPv6 support AFAICT.

IPv6 can be backward compatible meaning the backbone and border routers could be IP6 with access routers running both.

 

[Revo]

um, if you have any clue about IPv6 you wouldn't make such ridiculous comments.

Address space is actually the least important of the features IPv6 improves upon.

flame time - you're an idiot

From what I've read so far IPv6 doesn't really improve on IPv4 any more than providing a greater number of addresses. Here is one such article: Exposing 9 Myths About IPv6

Can anyone provide any links that are contrary to what I've read? Furthermore, how is IPv6 an improvement over IPv4 with regards to wireless networking?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Revo

um, if you have any clue about IPv6 you wouldn't make such ridiculous comments.

Address space is actually the least important of the features IPv6 improves upon.

flame time - you're an idiot

From what I've read so far IPv6 doesn't really improve on IPv4 any more than providing a greater number of addresses. Here is one such article: Exposing 9 Myths About IPv6

Can anyone provide any links that are contrary to what I've read? Furthermore, how is IPv6 an improvement over IPv4 with regards to wireless networking?

authentication, guarnteed quality of service, etc.

 

[cmetz]

spidey07, there is a great deal of dishonesty in the marketing of IPv6, and you appear to have believed it. This whole thread kinda turned into a flame war and I don't think it's productive to continue that, but I strongly urge you to research the claims you're repeating and decide for yourself which are real and which are bogus. When you drill down, you'll find that almost all of the claimed advantages of IPv6 are exactly the same features as you can - and don't - use today in IPv4. You will also find a number of arguments that are logical arguments based on core claims that are bold refutations of reality - my favorite being that NAT & PAT do not and cannot work. It's like dealing with the flat Earth society.

 

[Revo]

Originally posted by: cmetz
spidey07, there is a great deal of dishonesty in the marketing of IPv6, and you appear to have believed it. This whole thread kinda turned into a flame war and I don't think it's productive to continue that, but I strongly urge you to research the claims you're repeating and decide for yourself which are real and which are bogus. When you drill down, you'll find that almost all of the claimed advantages of IPv6 are exactly the same features as you can - and don't - use today in IPv4. You will also find a number of arguments that are logical arguments based on core claims that are bold refutations of reality - my favorite being that NAT & PAT do not and cannot work. It's like dealing with the flat Earth society.

Yup my point exactly! Also, can anyone point me to any whitepapers, articles or similar documents which can show me hoe IPv6 is a big improvement over IPv4 especially in wireless applications?

 

[buleyb]

Originally posted by: cmetz
This whole thread kinda turned into a flame war and I don't think it's productive to continue that,

Be fair, this whole thread was started to become a flame war. There is no discussion here because people on both sides are just taking stabs.

This thread should be locked unless some real value comes forward.

 

[spidey07]

This whole thread kinda turned into a flame war and I don't think it's productive to continue that, but I strongly urge you to research the claims you're repeating and decide for yourself which are real and which are bogus

cmetz,

Its been so long since I looked at it that I'm sure your right. I'll shutup now.

 

[Revo]

I hope nobody takes this personally but I think Internet forums are a total load of crap! I rarely get anything of use from them as people just can't be bothered to answer in a scientific/rational manner. You ask for some guidance and someone is sure to say "do a Google search". If it's "yes sir, yes sir, three bags full sir" then you are A-OK but as soon as someone disagrees with something and asks for some material to backup a claim you get crap!

You're probably thinking "what the hell are you doing here then"? Well folks I'm also asking myself that question.:|

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Revo
I hope nobody takes this personally but I think Internet forums are a total load of crap! I rarely get anything of use from them as people just can't be bothered to answer in a scientific/rational manner. You ask for some guidance and someone is sure to say "do a Google search". If it's "yes sir, yes sir, three bags full sir" then you are A-OK but as soon as someone disagrees with something and asks for some material to backup a claim you get crap!

You're probably thinking "what the hell are you doing here then"? Well folks I'm also asking myself that question.:|

Revo,

Hang out long enough in the network forum and you'll learn more than you ever cared to. There are a bunch of heavy hitters here.

-edit- the think about white papers and stuff you read on the internet always has to be taken with a grain of salt. I'm sure there are papers touting how IP6 will save the world and others saying its no big deal.

that's where experience comes into play...being able to see through the fluff and come to one's own conclusion, not one made for them by a white paper.

And that is what myself and a whole slew of other members can offer. Practical experience.

 

[buleyb]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Revo
I hope nobody takes this personally but I think Internet forums are a total load of crap! I rarely get anything of use from them as people just can't be bothered to answer in a scientific/rational manner. You ask for some guidance and someone is sure to say "do a Google search". If it's "yes sir, yes sir, three bags full sir" then you are A-OK but as soon as someone disagrees with something and asks for some material to backup a claim you get crap!

You're probably thinking "what the hell are you doing here then"? Well folks I'm also asking myself that question.:|

Revo,

Hang out long enough in the network forum and you'll learn more than you ever cared to. There are a bunch of heavy hitters here.

-edit- the think about white papers and stuff you read on the internet always has to be taken with a grain of salt. I'm sure there are papers touting how IP6 will save the world and others saying its no big deal.

that's where experience comes into play...being able to see through the fluff and come to one's own conclusion, not one made for them by a white paper.

And that is what myself and a whole slew of other members can offer. Practical experience.

Don't forget the experience in seeing through the fluff of the crap some people post. There is just as much marketing at work from individuals as there is from companies.

 

[martind1]

just like everything esle, you have to wade through the crap to find the good stuff.

fortunatly I find these forums to be quite enlightning, until you get to the later posts (such as these) when it becomes completely useless once someone like you posts.

people have agendas, deal with it.


--oh ya, when people say google it, it usually means, they looked at google to answer the question that was jsut asked and the answer popped up right on the first result. It just shows that the person asking the question is too lazy to find out the answer themselves .. most of the time --

 

[txxxx]

You sound like half the internet users - reciting whatever appears on the net.....now is there a possibility that there isnt much truth to it?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: txxxx
You sound like half the internet users - reciting whatever appears on the net.....now is there a possibility that there isnt much truth to it?

geez, something must be in the water...either that or there's a full moon.