Irving Police Make Arrests . . .

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
You Have the Right to Remain Sober . .

Anything you drink inside a tavern will be held against you in a court of law.

Even if you're just sitting there drinking with your friends, and uninvited guests.

Undercover police enter bars, mix with the crowd, and decide who they should arrest.
'Public Intoxication' can be anything that they want it to be.


When will the Though Police get near you.

Besides Red Dawn's idsotic statement this practice has been stopped because the people said stop. Try that in a more liberal area such as California where the politicians not only ignore the people but the Courts, Congress, etc.

As for the law they were arresting people for being publicly intoxicated. Of course, even with their stated goal they were abusing their power.

 

[robphelan]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Jeez, lot of Texas haters in this thread


1. Irving is a small suburb of Dallas best known for being home to Texas stadium and the the Cowboys. Their city politics have always been bordering on insane, and most of the locals around here consider Irving nothing more than a wart on our collective asses. Hell JJ and the cowboys have even given up on the city and will be moving to Arlington with the new stadium.

2. Irving is a tiny percentage (population wize) of the DFW metroplex, and not even remotely significant when speaking of the 20mil Texans. To think the shenanigans that go on in Irving apply to the whole state is just being terribly misinformed.

3. This is nothing more than a fued between the police and a handful of bar owners who (by police standards) have done a poor job of monitoring the intoxication levels of their patrons, and continued serving patrons who are obviously very drunk.

Thanks for the opinion of someone who lives there. Seems to be way overblown in the media...

it may be just a feud between police & a handful of bar owners there, but lots and lots of people were p|ssed off in san antonio about this.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: robphelan

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Jeez, lot of Texas haters in this thread


1. Irving is a small suburb of Dallas best known for being home to Texas stadium and the the Cowboys. Their city politics have always been bordering on insane, and most of the locals around here consider Irving nothing more than a wart on our collective asses. Hell JJ and the cowboys have even given up on the city and will be moving to Arlington with the new stadium.

2. Irving is a tiny percentage (population wize) of the DFW metroplex, and not even remotely significant when speaking of the 20mil Texans. To think the shenanigans that go on in Irving apply to the whole state is just being terribly misinformed.

3. This is nothing more than a fued between the police and a handful of bar owners who (by police standards) have done a poor job of monitoring the intoxication levels of their patrons, and continued serving patrons who are obviously very drunk.

Thanks for the opinion of someone who lives there. Seems to be way overblown in the media...

it may be just a feud between police & a handful of bar owners there, but lots and lots of people were p|ssed off in san antonio about this.

It was not just Irving but rather all of Texas might have been included in this nonsense. I had not heard about any arrests in San Antonio but in the Dallas - Fort Worth area and even towns surrounding that area saw many such arrests.

They were using DUI tactics to arrest people. DUI does not mean the person was drinking to an excess. An extreme example would be somone who has been awake for 24 hours and driving for past couple of hours. Their driving would be erratic and they could be arrested. Another example is someone who has taken medicine that makes the user sleepy.

Since the typical tests do not detect all medications, including designer drugs, the officer conducts a field sobriety test that is usually video taped. The point is you don't have to be under the influence to be arrested for DUI.

Now, in the case of the bars they were being arrested for public drunkeness without the sobriety test and without video tape. In some cases the problem was they were too loud! Wow, having a good time and getting too loud, that should be a crime.

Anyway, this practice has been stopped, by the people. A few elected officials will most likely not be re-elected as a result.


Edited to add: As for the Texas "haters." For the most part this is what they have been taught to be by the mainstream media. After all, to the mainstream media any non-radical liberal state must be evil.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Edited to add: As for the Texas "haters." For the most part this is what they have been taught to be by the mainstream media. After all, to the mainstream media any non-radical liberal state must be evil.

Texas is radical but it isn't liberal.

 

[ExpertNovice]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Edited to add: As for the Texas "haters." For the most part this is what they have been taught to be by the mainstream media. After all, to the mainstream media any non-radical liberal state must be evil.

Texas is radical but it isn't liberal.

First, you are another that can't seem to read. I never said Texas was liberal, now did I. Strange not one liberal has apologized for purposefully misrepresenting what I said. You can reread what I wrote by reading the text you put into a quote box. The text you so rightously ignored has been highlighted.


As for Texas, it is much more liberal than conservatives would like. Dallas, one of the largest cities in the United States that is considered conservative is run by a Democrat mayor who followed the most corrupt Democrat Dallas Mayor, possibly of all time. The City Council is primarily liberal. The last Republican mayor was a California Republican, not exactly a conservative, was elected in 1991 and left office in 1995. Prior to that four years the previous republican mayor was elected probably because of electronic voting machine problems where no paper trail was created that would allow for a recount. That was before my time and he left office in 1987 after a mere four years. Prior to him was another Democrat mayor.

Yep, Dallas is a bastion of Republican conservatism!


If you check your facts you will find that the top 10 cities in Texas are run by liberals. Those cities make up about 48% of the population of Texas. Thus, while Texas over all is conservative the liberals have the bulk of the power in Texas.

 

[CaptnKirk]

I want to clear up a misconception about this 'Drunk-in-Public' matter.
Everyone seems to think that it was the Irving Police in Irving, or the Dallas Police in Dallas, or the Fort Worth Police in Fort Worth.
That is not true. What IS TRUE, is that it was a State Agency - the TABC, under the Office of the Governor of the State of Texas,
that had hired nearly 60 new enforcement officers, and dispatched them into the area of Northern Texas
with the direct orders to go from bar to bar and arrest 'potential' drunks in a pre-emptive move.

Texas Boozers

 

[CessnaFlyer]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I think the lady who said "Your state sucks." hit the nail on the head.

What are these people thinking?

This kind of heavy handed stuff is going to hurt their tourism industry.

(why someone would willingly go to texas I don't know though)

Finally we agree on something!

 

[CaptnKirk]

TABC Hears - but Didn't Listen

The Polititians held a meeting to review the operation, and decided to defend their actions -
although keep the enforcement temporarily on suspension. (Untill the media heat dies down)

It's time to vote these 'Yes-Men' out of office, we don't need nannys to tell people how to live.

First, 60 New Officers - who's job was to lurk around the state and go into bars and arrest anyone who they
deemed 'drunk in public' by their own personal opinion and opservation is a waste of money.
The taxpayer is paying their salary, transportation, logding, and court expenses for whatever is incurred.

Just salary alone - approximately $50,000 per year for 60 'New' agents is $ 3 million.
Add to that the expense of their transportation, lodging, and meals while they are out on assignment,
and you've got costs nearing $ 6 million.

Texas can't even figure out how to cover the expense of Schools & Education.
Bubba - I know where at least $ 6 Million can come from and be better spent on education in Texas.

How can these Sycophants defend this policy?

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Its called entrapment in some states. The police had the ability to intervene prior to intoxication.

They've tossed drunk driving offenses in Nebraska because cops sat outside a bar waiting for patrons to drive off. The whole issue of entrapment in these cases seems to hold a parrallel to the public intoxication laws. Alas, most public intoxication laws are local nuisance ordnances, so we're not talking a statewise issue, only local issues.

How can that be entrapment? The police did not offer the drivers drinks, nor did they ask the drivers to DUI, so I fail to see any entrapment. If you decide to drink and drive and the cop is sitting right there waiting for you, I say you deserve to be arrested.

 

[MadRat]

If a police officer knowingly watched a drunk get into a car then they had the public obligation to stop them before driving. But I think the premise of the tossed cases had more to do with the probable cause than the actual obligation to prevent the crime. Sounds stupid, but that is the way things happen here. I'd recommend avoiding the highways around here on social drinking days like New Years Eve and St. Patrick's Day. The drunk drivers are thick.