Is 1 = 0.9999......

[bleeb]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: Darien
this is NOT a debate that anyone other than those trained in math properly (science and engineering majors anyone?) should participate in. If you attempt to take the philosophy road and try and do something to disprove 0.9r = 1, you have yet to prove it in mathematics. Many a philosophers have failed in explaining physics because of the oddities in quantum mechanics and classical physics -- far too much is reliant on MATH and not what people think is a logical argument.

Excuse me, but OBSERVATION has defined the parameters of science.

Originally posted by: Marauder-
The real question should be does 0.9999 = BUTTER as threadposts aproach infinity...

Was it BUTTER or popcorn? Its buried in the archive too far back to remember.

0.9999... = Bored ATOTers.

 

This thread proves mathematics are flawed at the core, and you should enjoy more :beer:

 

[bleeb]

Originally posted by: SammySon
This thread proves mathematics are flawed at the core, and you should enjoy more :beer:

I don't think its flawed but rather as Michael Jackson (Wacko Jacko) would say, "They Ignorant"

 

[glenn1]

This thread proves mathematics are flawed at the core, and you should enjoy more :beer:

What do you expect from the science that created "imaginary numbers?"

 

[spidey07]

<---shakes head at the sheer ignorance of this board sometimes.

"but credentials don't matter"

Of course they do to an extent. What next madrat? You gonna go be an attorney and just say "well judge, you must listen to me even though I have no idea what I'm talking about. DOH, why you dismissing me from the court? I R edjumacated!"

 

[Zrom999]

1 > 0.999999....

The End.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Zrom999
1 > 0.999999....

The End.

If so then prove the number between those two numbers.

 

[RossGr]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Zrom999
1 > 0.999999....

The End.

If so then prove the number between those two numbers.

Could you even show us the number such that x + .999... = 1

If as you claim it is less then one such a number must exist.

 

[ZapZilla]

This is interesting and all...but the real question is:

How can this logic be successfully used to lower ones taxes? !!

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: ZapZilla
This is interesting and all...but the real question is:

How can this logic be successfully used to lower ones taxes? !!

yes

step 1. convince all peopl ethat 0.9r = 1
step 2. ...
step 3. lower taxes for everyone! AND increased income for governments!

 

[bleeb]

Forget about all this 0.9999.... != 1 business... become a porn star.

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: RossGr

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Zrom999
1 > 0.999999....

The End.

If so then prove the number between those two numbers.

Could you even show us the number such that x + .999... = 1

If as you claim it is less then one such a number must exist.

You haven't even proved .999... exists. Measure exactly .999... and you'll finally see for yourself its not equal to one.

 

[Josh]

Well would you take .999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 cents or 1 dollar? 1 is more. I rest my case.

 

[Hector13]

Originally posted by: MadRat
You haven't even proved .999... exists. Measure exactly .999... and you'll finally see for yourself its not equal to one.

so are you still claiming that irrationals and repeating fractions don't exist? It's a simple yes/no question.

 

[Hector13]

Originally posted by: Josh
Well would you take .999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 cents or 1 dollar? 1 is more. I rest my case.

what if something cost 99.9r cents and I paid you with a dollar. What change would you give me?

 

[thebestMAX]

My Quicken program seems to think so. It divides 3000 by 30 and comes up with 99.999 all the time!

WTF??? Now I have 99.999999...........................shares of that stock.

 

[Cuda1447]

Mathematically this is true, however logically it is not. People claim that math is the only exact science left, but this problem proves its not.



Math is flawed.

 

[Ameesh]

fvck this thread

 

[LordMorpheus]

yes.

here is an interesting thing

1/9 = .111111111 . . . .. .

2/9 = .222222222222222222222 . . .

3/9=.3333333333333333333333 . . .

4/9=.44444444444444444444444444. . . .

and so on and so forth.


9/9 = 1 . . . . or .999999999999999999999999999 . . .

this isn't a proof, just kinda a 'hey, you know, that makes sense' type deal.

 

[RossGr]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: RossGr

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Zrom999
1 > 0.999999....

The End.

If so then prove the number between those two numbers.

Could you even show us the number such that x + .999... = 1

If as you claim it is less then one such a number must exist.

You haven't even proved .999... exists. Measure exactly .999... and you'll finally see for yourself its not equal to one.

I do not have to PROVE it exists, I mearly have to be able to write it as a well formed real number. I can do at least 2 different ways, one is the notation we have been using .999... where once again, (cuz I know that you are slow). the 3 dots are called an ellipsis, when this notation appears at the end of a number it means repeat the pervious pattern o fnumbers continously.

Or it can be expressed as 9 * (sum from n =1 to infinity of .1^n ). This is the basic definiton of a real number as long as I am able to correspond a digit to the nth expression of this sum I have a real number.

This of course were the symbolism .000...1 where the ellipsis is incorrectly used in the middlle of a number to represent an infinte number of digits. Since I must be able to assign a integer to the 1, to have a well formed real number, there cannot be an infinite number of zeros. This notation makes sense if the ellipsis represents an unspecified finite number of zeros.

Again there is no proof needed when your are dealing with a basic definition.

 

[crazygal]

I cannot believe that a forum full of such smart people have voted on the wrong answer more than the right one.

1 is EXACTLY equal to .999...
It's not a theory, it's a fact.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has not taken the proper math classes. Ask any math professor and see what they say.

 

[Hector13]

Originally posted by: crazygal
I cannot believe that a forum full of such smart people have voted on the wrong answer more than the right one.

1 is EXACTLY equal to .999...
It's not a theory, it's a fact.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has not taken the proper math classes. Ask any math professor and see what they say.

Ask a math professor?!?!?! Take a proper math class?!?!

How dare you bring up something as petty as "credentials"???
People should debate with only their deeply held beliefs, not facts or logic!

 

[crazygal]

Errr....ok then. I think you're being sarcastic and all but...
I believe what the great minds of the past have proven. I believe that there's a reason all math teachers agree with them. And I believe that they are exactly equal.

 

[bleeb]

If you believe, why do you believe? prove it with a proof. =)

 

[bleeb]

If you believe, why do you believe? prove it with a proof. =)