is anyone folding@home?

conjur

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Once the race against DSLR is over, I'm going to look at moving some of my rigs to a different DC project...but...for now.

Go SETI Team AnandTech! Beat DSLR! Go team go!
 

narzy

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ya I started the team, I will go back to folding once SETI is ova
 

Poof

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Just as a note, Stanford recently started Folding@Home 2. Thus, the stats are now being updated for that version rather than the old F@H 1.

Narzy - if you haven't already, you would need to re-register TA for F@H 2. The stats and stuff are now like G@H where you register based on your email address and there is a team '"number" that gets entered for each client wishing to fold for that team.
 

Kris

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<< What is Folding@home? >>



I don't know what they are saying, but I expect it's a mechanism for predicting protein structure, probably tertiary structure. I can explain a little about it for those interested from what I remember of biochem from many years ago and probably be a little close to target.

Proteins constist of strings or a string of amino acids.
Amino acids are relatively small molecules that have a fundamental molecular structure that is constant between all of them (except for one).
Amino acids are distinguished by an additional atom or group of atoms that is associated with each, it's 'special group'.

That atom or group of atoms gives that amino acid it's peculiar molecular properties.

The order in which amino acids are arranged within the sequence of the protein itself define in turn the protein's peculiar properties.

The overall function of the protein is primarily defined by it's shape, which is determined by folding.

Shape and folding depend on the interaction of the molecular forces of each consecutive amino acid's 'special group'.

Protiens isolated from cells are already folded.

The process of isolation is done under conditions that cause them to unfold.

When the conditions are returned to 'normal' the proteins refold.

(Almost) all studies of protein shape are necessarily studies of refolded proteins or the refolding thereof.

This matters for many reasons beyond the scope of this explanation, but one that might make sense is this:
Folding occurs as the protein is being constructed rather than to the finished product (ie. refolding), and the forces that the 'special group' of the last amino acid contribute are not present while the first amino acids are folding.

So....if I were going to write a folding@home project, it would attempt to involve the sequential addition of 'special group' forces to replicate how it might fold as it is being constructed in the cell.

Why is this relevant? For mainly academic reasons at this point I expect, but in theory I suppose the information could be used to effectively build proteins outside the body to perform a specific function for theraputic use inside. Insulin being the classic example of such a therapy. Insulin is an extremely simple protein however, and does not require such intellectual massaging.
Again, I am assuming that is what they are doing. I may be way off.

Hope this made some sense.
I guess I might move a machine or two over after the race, it is pretty interesting.
 

narzy

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<< Just as a note, Stanford recently started Folding@Home 2. Thus, the stats are now being updated for that version rather than the old F@H 1.

Narzy - if you haven't already, you would need to re-register TA for F@H 2. The stats and stuff are now like G@H where you register based on your email address and there is a team '"number" that gets entered for each client wishing to fold for that team.
>>



already have
 

narzy

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<< well, someone started a team anandtech.. it's 198...

but does anyone know when your name gets added to the database?
>>



ya thats the team I started for F@H2, off the top of my head I cant remember when the stats are updated I am sure with a little looking it wouldnt be to hard to find it on the site.
 

Poof

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Again, I am assuming that is what they are doing. I may be way off.



What this particular project is doing is attempting to simulate the various steps involved in the folding of specific, known proteins. By starting with an initial protein in pre-fold state, various algorithms are applied that predict different possibilities and paths for interaction between the molecules within the protein. The results (from a WU) are then used to generate the next potential step in the folding sequence (thus the F@H requirement that WUs be returned within a certain number of days, as the results of one WU would be used to generate the next one, as part of the sequence). The idea is that by knowing how particular proteins fold, one might be able to determine what internal and/or external factors could cause a protein to "mis-fold", as is the case with a number of diseases such as BSE (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy or "Mad Cow's Disease"), which is caused by the mis-folding of Prion, and Alzheimer's disease, also caused by misfolded proteins.

IBM's Blue Gene Project will attempt to ellicit the same info, except on a more detailed and granular level, using a centralized, massive multiprocessor system. Vijay Pande and his F@H group at Stanford, posit that folding sequences can be predicted just as accurately in the distributed computing model, as could be done with massive, centralized super computing, and that total, step-by-step biochemical sequencing is not necessary to show what occurs during the nanoseconds that it takes for a protein to fold.

At this point, F@H has already simulated (and I expect published) the folding of Betahairpin and villin - with some apparent additional info having been obtained regarding villin (something recently announced on the F@H newsgroup). There are a number of proteins now being analysed, so some very interesting results are sure to be forthcoming.

[EDIT: Just wanted to add that I recall Vijay mentioning an attempt to get the Betahairpin results published in Nature magazine. I didn't get chance to follow up on whether this has happened or what...]
 

Poof

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Unfortunately, it looks like the server w/ their client is down for the moment.

LOL. A common problem. One must always be patient with F@H. Eventually you'll get through!
 

Elledan

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<< click the fold proteins link in my sig. Unfortunately, it looks like the server w/ their client is down for the moment. >>

Yeah, so I noticed...

Don't underestimate the power of the Google!
 

Elledan

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Okay, I got the F@H client set up and running. I hope I've set the username the right way (I don't want to be 'Anonymous'!).

Best of all, unlike with the Seti client, this F@H client doesn't interfere with my sound

Can anyone give me a reason to keep running Seti and not switch to F@H?
 

Poof

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Can anyone give me a reason to keep running Seti and not switch to F@H?

Well... there's a race going on and TA could use the help!

But I have always promoted running whatever you want. It's up to you. I run about 6 different projects myself!
 

Elledan

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Thank you, Poof

Hmm... I'll leave my Celery 400 and 486 crunching for Seti for now, but the other systems will switch to folding
 

Poof

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Ahh.... One other thing about Folding... Since it has a time limit for return of WUs, it sortof forces you to use a faster machine for it.

However, many of us have found that machines ~300Mhz or higher (preferably higher) can usually get a WU in within the limit (which I think is 72 hours).
 

Elledan

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Thanks for the information, Poof!

I think that a Duron 600 and faster can manage folding one WU within 72 hours, no?
 

Poof

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I think that a Duron 600 and faster can manage folding one WU within 72 hours, no?

Well... if you're like me and run multiple projects on each machine (splitting the processing time between them), then that 600 would just barely doit!
 
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