Who said I was trying to teach you? I am trying to explain to you my position, and if its not clear, I can try to explain it.
I will say that it does appear that you are trying to teach me though.
LOL brad, I'm not trying to learn from you darling. I apologize if I misled you.
I will put a thought here and there above other thoughts but as far as an institution or organization of religion I will not. You're going to have to learn to live with that or give up the chase.
If it gives you any degree of solace I felt a great amount of peace reading about Buddhism.
Interesting how that is the take away for both of us don'tchu think?Who said I was trying to teach you? I am trying to explain to you my position, and if its not clear, I can try to explain it.
I will say that it does appear that you are trying to teach me though.
Interesting how that is the take away for both of us don'tchu think?
But no brad I expect you to believe and feel exactly what sits comfortably within you and resonates within you that brings you the most peace and makes you feel the most settled within. I don't have any expectation that I can teach you or anyone such.
Before I continue to read this post... Come on brad! I of course mean for you to teach yourself how to live with it. If you don't want to. Don't. It's up to you to be a better person. If what I say resonates with you and you implement it in your life that's good for you and I get no credit.Well, you quite explicitly said...
"You're going to have to learn to live with that or give up the chase."
So yeah you are trying to teach me something. I'm not offended as I presume that the reason you are doing that is to try and make me a better person (subjectively).
My point though remains. Judging religion is not the same as judging people. Just because people follow those beliefs does not mean judging those beliefs is bad or wrong. I believe judging beliefs is how we make progress. Accumulate enough bad beliefs vs another and you have a worse belief system. Does not mean you are a bad person if you do not do bad things.
Judging individual thoughts... And I agree.Well, you quite explicitly said...
"You're going to have to learn to live with that or give up the chase."
So yeah you are trying to teach me something. I'm not offended as I presume that the reason you are doing that is to try and make me a better person (subjectively).
My point though remains. Judging religion is not the same as judging people. Just because people follow those beliefs does not mean judging those beliefs is bad or wrong. I believe judging beliefs is how we make progress. Accumulate enough bad beliefs vs another and you have a worse belief system. Does not mean you are a bad person if you do not do bad things.
What if there were a magical wooden horse that could take you to your true heart’s desire, and religion was the story of various rides taken on it? Any who had found their true hearts desire would recognize that horse and every other explanation of it would be the construct of a cargo cult soon to be manipulated in such a way as to lead the clever to what they imagine their hearts desire to be. In this way we would live in a world of those who had found their true hearts desire, those who operate or ride mechanical horses and those who see the false promise of such cargo cults full of pride and self satisfaction they themselves aren’t duped, blind to their own hearts true desire.
Before I continue to read this post... Come on brad! I of course mean for you to teach yourself how to live with it. If you don't want to. Don't. It's up to you to be a better person. If what I say resonates with you and you implement it in your life that's good for you and I get no credit.
Judging individual thoughts... And I agree.
Both of you should read moonbeam's post above which says all that could be said about this whole topic just in a few lines. Now understanding it may take a bit more time, but that is time well spent instead of the useless back and forth squabbling that is the norm on this forum, every other social media, electronic media, paper media, and in the world itself everywhere. In the end, we all start with ignorance and end with ignorance. All a massive waste of time
Mankind has learned a great deal about the World we live in by studying reality as it is and not by wishful thinking. We do in fact know something, although not everything and still have a huge amount to discover.I read it, and I disagree with it. He did what he often does. He holds the false premise that people are working against their own self interests by not accepting something they do not perceive. Press him on it and he will tell you that you can never perceive it unless you let go of knowing and logic.
So hey, if you want to believe that you know nothing, and cast aside logic go ahead.
Mankind has learned a great deal about the World we live in by studying reality as it is and not by wishful thinking. We do in fact know something, although not everything and still have a huge amount to discover.
Agreed.Yep. What he does is advocate for regression to a time when people accepted what they feel even if it could be investigated and explained. Knowing how a rainbow works does not make it any less beautiful.
Because you would ultimately be the one who did the work. If you were to give me credit that's your choice.Why would you get no credit if you were the thing that would cause me to pivot and become a better person?
I think there is some confusion here. I was not being sarcastic in my previous post.
Moonie and I had a falling out a while back. I probably won't read his post or if I do I won't respond to it.Both of you should read moonbeam's post above which says all that could be said about this whole topic just in a few lines. Now understanding it may take a bit more time, but that is time well spent instead of the useless back and forth squabbling that is the norm on this forum, every other social media, electronic media, paper media, and in the world itself everywhere. In the end, we all start with ignorance and end with ignorance. All a massive waste of time
I choose not to. I hold the individual KKK members responsible for what they allow themselves to believe.You can judge individual's thoughts, and you can judge beliefs that come from institutions. We both agree that the beliefs of the KKK are wrong, and any beliefs that an individual has from that system has bad beliefs. You can judge both.
Because you would ultimately be the one who did the work. If you were to give me credit that's your choice.
I choose not to. I hold the individuals KKK members responsible for what they allow themselves to believe.
I don't consider this conversation with brad a squabble. Also I think Moonie is a nut most of the time.Both of you should read moonbeam's post above which says all that could be said about this whole topic just in a few lines. Now understanding it may take a bit more time, but that is time well spent instead of the useless back and forth squabbling that is the norm on this forum, every other social media, electronic media, paper media, and in the world itself everywhere. In the end, we all start with ignorance and end with ignorance. All a massive waste of time
In this moment I love you brad!I read it, and I disagree with it. He did what he often does. He holds the false premise that people are working against their own self interests by not accepting something they do not perceive. Press him on it and he will tell you that you can never perceive it unless you let go of knowing and logic.
So hey, if you want to believe that you know nothing, and cast aside logic go ahead.
Nope. Only if you want to give it. That road was a long one for me and a hard one and I still struggle with it sometimes... Example: tell my sister not to marry a man I am convinced is an abuser. He punches her, they divorce. She's never told me I was right. I kind of wanted that acknowledgement but instead I'm happy she's out of the abusive situation.I mean sure, the credit would be spread around, but, you should get some credit for taking the time to try right?
brad, brad, brad, I'm not suggesting there aren't bad things about these organizations or institutions. I'm clearly saying they're all bad in that they practice to brainwash their members. Where'd I lose ya darlin'?You can hold them responsible for what they believe, and, say that beliefs of the system are bad. If there were no KKK members, the beliefs of the KKK would still be bad no?
brad, sent you in the psychology field? Aren't you accustomed to not getting credit for sometime improving their lives through your guidance?You can hold them responsible for what they believe, and, say that beliefs of the system are bad. If there were no KKK members, the beliefs of the KKK would still be bad no?
I have heard it said that the more you know the more you know you don't know. Applying logic to that it would seem that the more one knows one ignorance would approach the infinite. Such a person, it would seem, might find more value than others in modesty as a damp on certainty.Mankind has learned a great deal about the World we live in by studying reality as it is and not by wishful thinking. We do in fact know something, although not everything and still have a huge amount to discover.