If it is just trash, then no I am not angry, it is just trash. But if is a human being, who has chosen to give up his humanity in despair, then I am rightfully angry at this traitor to his follow humans.
If it is just trash, then no I am not angry, it is just trash. But if is a human being, who has chosen to give up his humanity in despair, then I am rightfully angry at this traitor to his follow humans.I said any thing inside trash can, not a person. But let’s ask about your statement. What is it inside you that would make you angry in such a case? Why the demand? Why is it rightful? What is inside you that would provoke this strong reaction? Serious questions for you to ponder and maybe answer if you like
If it is just trash, then no I am not angry, it is just trash. But if is a human being, who has chosen to give up his humanity in despair, then I am rightfully angry at this traitor to his follow humans.
A person humanity is dependent on him choosing to be human, instead of a helpless hominid at the mercy of nature.Help me try to understand you. Is a person's humanity dependent upon where they live, or is it something innate inside a human being?
And even so, how does it make *you* angry? Is there a collective pride of human beings that the person living in trash can is violating? Like I said, I am trying to understand you and in the process trying to help you understand yourself.
Looky, looky, whm. You got you a teacher.A person humanity is dependent on him choosing to be human, instead of a helpless hominid at the mercy of nature.
Looky, kooky, whm. You got you a teacher.
If it's any consolation I think your grip on life is solid. I'm confident dude hasn't a single thing to teach you.
He keeps calling you angry. I don't think you're angry. At least not in any way that's killing your soul.
Any way, I hope you'll send Noah packing. He appears to have a desire to suppress or disrupt what I have found quite pleasant, your inner peace and loveliness.
Thank you. Noah and Moonie have gotten me riled up.Looky, kooky, whm. You got you a teacher.
If it's any consolation I think your grip on life is solid. I'm confident dude hasn't a single thing to teach you.
He keeps calling you angry. I don't think you're angry. At least not in any way that's killing your soul.
Any way, I hope you'll send Noah packing. He appears to have a desire to suppress or disrupt what I have found quite pleasant, your inner peace and loveliness.
Oh, they have? They are so very much not worth it. They're lost claiming to be found but they found themselves in a pile of dung and they're breathing it in with smiles on their faces. Neither one of them has ever rattled me. They truly are infants in their knowing. It's why they appear to be confident. They give lip service only to knowing they know nothing. If they would just take one more step they would know that knowing they know nothing is the first step to loving what they do know and loving themselves for it. They would know that forgiving themselves for what they don't know is a blessed journey that comes with no regrets or deadening of their spirits. That the journey is joy even when its painful because of the lessons it teaches us. That smiling, self-awareness, self-love, self-forgiveness are the things that heal us and we are meant to heal. We are meant to live our lives with joy and to conquer pain. We are meant to quieten the voice in our heads that tells us anything different. Our best selves are meant to win the battles within us. If we don't emerge our better selves we have failed and we must try and try again.Thank you. Noah and Moonie have gotten me riled up.
Due to all the harm the RCC has caused, I think it should be boldly told to get fucking lost and be held accountable for it actions. This is not bigotry, but simply a call for accountability that is long over due.Catholicism is only worse to me for purely selfish reasons - it affects me more on a daily basis in a negative way than Islam does, by virtue of living in the United States.
They think their message is valuable.@Younigue I simply refuse to accept or tolerate nonsense, especially from those trying to pull something over people.
Amen!Due to all the harm the RCC has caused, I think it should be boldly told to get fucking lost and be held accountable for it actions. This is not bigotry, but simply a call for accountability that is long over due.
Thank you for that. I saw it just after my last post. I appreciate you taking the time and putting in the thought to do it. I don't think the emphasis I put on my own approach is so much a matter of emphasis, but the approach I think conforms to this audience, folk like my self who aren't of religious faith. I have discussed many times that there are numerous ways by which people enter in to a state of being, the conquest of thought and fear, through the body, the heart and the mind, corresponding to the fakir or marshal artist, the Monk, and the Yoga, of the meditative kind and combinations of the three. There are also shamanistic traditions that may or may not involve drugs. The point, of course, is that all of these various paths can lead to a collapse of our habitual state of duality, the notion of separation of the observer and the observed. This is also why I am very fond of another comment I once heard, "There are a million paths in life and they all lead nowhere. Choose a path that has a heart." For me to have heart IS to have being.
But all of the above ideas belong in the modern sense to a past no longer reverenced by today's more or less scientifically educated people.
I don't know much about Zen in a technical or expert sense, but for me it provided a door to another reality, my first indication that I was in a prison of my own making, that the pain I suffered from a loss of faith in the existence of the good was not shared by these so called Zen Masters. "Not a tile above or a place to put my foot." How could that be? This was my first insight that the problem of existential no exit was not out there but with me, something wrong with my at that time unexamined assumptions on what is required for happiness. It was Zen that sent me down the road to the need to answer the question as to where the real problem lay. Psychology, of course, of which I was also slightly acquainted with at that time, suggested the answer may be in the unconscious, that we are under the influences of motivations we don't see. At any rate the single minded focus on a single question, why do I suffer, was interrupted one night by a gust of wind, as I have mentioned to the point of fatigue, and I suddenly shifted from a state of intense introspection to presence. There was the answer to everything.
So what Zen did for me was to suggest that my prison was not real raising completely new and different questions, is my suffering inevitable and what psychology did was to try to identify the origin of my suffering. None of this required anything in the nature of faith. Only the transformation if my inner state via the collapse of existential suffering allows me now to see the wisdom hidden in other traditional paths. I couldn't walk them because I had dismissed them as rubbish. I hadn't seen at that time that everything I believed was rubbish. That is why I try to defend them to the extent they retain wisdom for those who sincerely practice them, but do not recommend them as paths for our current culture of disbelieving Americans of the kind we see so often here.
I think what you sense as overemphasis is my claim as to just how deep the rabbit hole goes. My excuse for that is that when I look at the world I see humanity headed for extinction. It is a race, I think, between the impending horror of the recognition of our present course of direction, and the awakening that only the recognition of the terror of where we are heading will bring. Will our descent into self destruction outpace the time needed for enough people to awaken and change course. I think the "fluffers" we have here represent to my mind a great retrograde force, not that they can help themselves.
Well i'm glad you was able to do this and you should be proud of yourself for taking the effort.I think you need to realize that although human beings have certain patterned traits which you see repeated from one to the next, there is a lot of individual difference in one's past experiences and personal psychology. One reason you remind me of Freud, besides the emphasis on unconscious emotion, is that Freud thought everyone underwent the exact same psychodrama as infants. You seem to think the same, though the psychodrama you describe is a little different from Freud's Oedipus Complex.
If we're talking about paths to "enlightenment," here's mine. I went through a period of feeling very depressed, anxious and angry. Was overweight, lethargic, sedentary, etc. There was definitely self-loathing involved, and not the unconscious kind. So one day I got onto an elliptical trainer and started peddling until I was so exhausted I could barely get off the trainer and walk to the couch. I had barely exercised in 30 years.
Sitting on the couch, within 10 minutes I felt incredible calm. No anxiety, no depression, no anger. So I continued doing this daily and while it hasn't been a panacea, the depression and anxiety are mostly gone now. Also lost 32 pounds and my resting heart rate is at 61. Funny thing. Turns out three studies have shown that the endorphins released with strenuous physical activity are about as effective as anti-depressants and without any of the side effects.
That was all. No mediation. No reading the great philosophers. No confronting the dark horrors that lie within. I just got on the bike and peddled away.
I think you need to realize that although human beings have certain patterned traits which you see repeated from one to the next, there is a lot of individual difference in one's past experiences and personal psychology. One reason you remind me of Freud, besides the emphasis on unconscious emotion, is that Freud thought everyone underwent the exact same psychodrama as infants. You seem to think the same, though the psychodrama you describe is a little different from Freud's Oedipus Complex.
If we're talking about paths to "enlightenment," here's mine. I went through a period of feeling very depressed, anxious and angry. Was overweight, lethargic, sedentary, etc. There was definitely self-loathing involved, and not the unconscious kind. So one day I got onto an elliptical trainer and started peddling until I was so exhausted I could barely get off the trainer and walk to the couch. I had barely exercised in 30 years.
Sitting on the couch, within 10 minutes I felt incredible calm. No anxiety, no depression, no anger. So I continued doing this daily and while it hasn't been a panacea, the depression and anxiety are mostly gone now. Also lost 32 pounds and my resting heart rate is at 61. Funny thing. Turns out three studies have shown that the endorphins released with strenuous physical activity are about as effective as anti-depressants and without any of the side effects.
That was all. No mediation. No reading the great philosophers. No confronting the dark horrors that lie within. I just got on the bike and peddled away.
Promethra or Promothra? Which do you prefer?We are not moths who blindly perish in the flame, but gods who have mastered the flame and use it for our own purposes.
Great. I wrote something just the other day on how conservatives can get so into respect for authority they leave out how it has to be earned. Liberals, however, in rejecting traditional sources of authority that isn’t earned tend to throw out the value of respect that is. Logic would tell you then, you are logical right, that the real key to everything subject matter related here, is to know what is or is not worthy of respect. It is your lack of introspective depth, therefore and in my opinion, where you go off the rails. You are full of shallow and bigoted beliefs and are guilty of making titanicly sweeping generalizations. You are just stuffed full of absurd opinions and are completely unprepared to defend them. Your hearts in the right place but you’re full of conceit.I am a Human who refuse wrongful damnation by evil and immoral gods that demands undeserved worship.
Holy Fu*k! Skimmed Moonie's next reply to you. He's off his rocker. Keep being you whm. You're worth while just as you are but you already know that.I am a Human who refuse wrongful damnation by evil and immoral gods that demands undeserved worship.
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Moonie truly thinks he's an authority on all things human because he admits to knowing nothing and that has made him by some miracle surpass the rest of us. He's an island and will never have a peer because he believes his shit so thoroughly that no such person exists.
I concluded in my previous dealings with him that he has a darkness in him that he has surrendered to. It gives him permission to be one ugly mother fu*ker. It's insidious only to him. The damage he does is to himself. He influences no one and teaches nothing but try though he does.
To this day I still wish mental health for him. He does not wish it for himself. He believes he is profound but he only manages to blow his own mind in his perpetual fugue state. It's remarkable and disheartening.
I hope this doesn't mean you're a satanist whm?The tyrant wicked god know as Yahweh has only offered humanity damnation and enslavement. Our friend Satan has shown us the path of freedom and responsibility, and so we have chosen to walk this on this path to beome fully Human.
What do you mean by Satanist? Satanism isn't what right wing Christians say it is.I hope this doesn't mean you're a satanist whm?
You don't know my full story. You don't know my journey. You don't know the full extent of the pain I've confronted.What you call moonbeam's shit is not unique to him. Many people through the centuries, across various traditions and vastly different geographical places and cultures, have been the same. Even in today's utterly shallow America, there are some like that.
I think one issue is that some things are hard to convey in language, which has its limitations. The other day I was trying to understand "You are nothing. Therefore you are everything." While I think I have an inkling of an intellectual understanding of it, I can't really fully know it until I experience it.
In your case, you first need to process your trauma. It seems quite clear you have been in denial / suppression about it. But sooner or later something will break open inside you and it will be very very painful. At least I hope it does (there is no absolute guarantee though). And I hope that for your sake.
It's another religion and I've stated how I feel about religion.What do you mean by Satanist? Satanism isn't what right wing Christians say it is.
https://thesatanictemple.com/
To answer your question, no I'm a Satanist. Although I do find some agreement with some parts of it.It's another religion and I've stated how I feel about religion.