Is G3220 good for gaming?

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AtenRa

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Core i5 4670k = $240

Core i3 4130 = $125

Difference = $115

R7 260X = $110

R9 280 = $220-250

I would easily chose the Core i3 + R9 280 over the Core i5 + 260X. That is just me, other people could chose the faster CPU and lesser GPU but because we are talking about gaming, i believe most gamers would chose the Core i3 + R9 280.


ps: HD6950 2GB bios upgraded to HD6970 2GB is more than 30-40% faster on average than GTX560 1GB, and even more especially in newer games that need more than 1GB memory.
Also, HD6970 2GB would be able to use AA filters in lots of games when the GTX560 performance will drop to unplayable frames.
 

SPBHM

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Core i5 4670k = $240

Core i3 4130 = $125

Difference = $115

R7 260X = $110

R9 280 = $220-250

I would easily chose the Core i3 + R9 280 over the Core i5 + 260X. That is just me, other people could chose the faster CPU and lesser GPU but because we are talking about gaming, i believe most gamers would chose the Core i3 + R9 280.


ps: HD6950 2GB bios upgraded to HD6970 2GB is more than 30-40% faster on average than GTX560 1GB, and even more especially in newer games that need more than 1GB memory.
Also, HD6970 2GB would be able to use AA filters in lots of games when the GTX560 performance will drop to unplayable frames.

this discussion is not going anywhere, but at least your 580 example is gone

i5 4460 $190
270x, easily sub $200, as low as $180 or less.

4130 is no faster than 4150
and the 4150 is going to low here on the min side, while the 4460 is fine



high settings shows both card around the same and with good performance



(now you could enable ultra textures and make the 270x life more difficult, but high to ultra is not as drastic as medium to high, and I'm not sure the 280 is going to do well with much higher settings anyway)

saving money on the CPU for this game would be a poor choice,
as I said, I think going with i3s and other CPUs once you have slower cards like a 260 (maybe even 750, 270) and so on is fine, but once you are looking for cards more expensive than the i5/i7s cost it's probably a good thing to pay the extra for the the CPU and not go to low.

there is a difference between 560 and 6950 2GB sure, but I think the difference between i3 2100 and i5 2500 is a lot more significant for current games, neither VGA is really ideal, and you will have to lower settings significantly with both, while the i5 2500 is pretty close to ideal, and the i3 performs badly in many games... as I said, I think one of the cases would be looking for CPU+GPU upgrade, the other just GPU....
 

TeknoBug

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Yikes, Watch Dogs on a FX 4350 OC'd to 4.7 (like mine), 20-31... lol unplayable. Looks like my i7 3770K also at 4.5GHz breathes through that game.
 

2is

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Core i5 4670k = $240

Core i3 4130 = $125

Difference = $115

R7 260X = $110

R9 280 = $220-250

I would easily chose the Core i3 + R9 280 over the Core i5 + 260X. That is just me, other people could chose the faster CPU and lesser GPU but because we are talking about gaming, i believe most gamers would chose the Core i3 + R9 280.


ps: HD6950 2GB bios upgraded to HD6970 2GB is more than 30-40% faster on average than GTX560 1GB, and even more especially in newer games that need more than 1GB memory.
Also, HD6970 2GB would be able to use AA filters in lots of games when the GTX560 performance will drop to unplayable frames.

No one is denying higher end cards can play at higher settings. But if you have a performance issue because if your card there's a solution right from behind your keyboard. If you have a CPU related performance issue, what's the solution? You keep a CPU long enough and you'll end up running into these issues at some point but it's pretty clear that starting out with a good CPU will give you years of usability even in new games vs buying something that's already struggling in the more demanding games. And it ends up being less expensive.

Now if we are talking about an i5 vs i7 that's a bit different since they are so close in gaming performance but anything dual core and it seems like a pretty clear cut decision to me.
 

crashtech

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After some consideration, it seems that proponents of "good CPU now, good GPU later" are advocating the practice of delayed gratification in order to achieve an experience that over the long haul, provides the most performance per dollar. This is an admirable goal. But the reality that I see most of the time is that gamers will tend to want the the highest performance they can afford right now, even if it means a less than optimal perf/dollar a year or two from now when not just the GPU needs upgraded, but the CPU as well.

Trying to find some common ground here. I still see a lot of data that shows the GPU to be the most critical element in providing a playable experience, and it baffles me why this gets continuously denied by what I will call CPU-centric thinkers.

If buying a slightly slower GPU in order to purchase a faster CPU is actually to help make the PC more "future resistant" at the cost of some framerate or image quality today, that is what should be asserted, instead of the highly debatable argument that such an arrangement actually provides higher game performance out of the gate.
 

2is

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Look closer. Sleeping dogs is a game available NOW not later.

It's really quite simple, it's been explained more than once in this thread alone. If it's still baffling, well... It's probably going to stay that way for you.

If people don't mind having crap performance they can do nothing about in certain games, your recommendation will be perfect.
 
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crashtech

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Meanwhile, those on a budget should carefully examine the performance data for themselves. There are some games that can use the cores at this point, but there are still quite a few where it doesn't matter as much. What worries me is that some might interpret the stated need for cores to mean they need to go with a lesser quad like AMD offers, and that should be avoided in almost all cases. The i3 leaves a wide path open for future CPU upgrades, and LGA 1150 has more of a future for mid to high end gaming than any other mainstream platform.

In the above Watch Dogs benchmarks, it's clear that an i3 does not achieve a playable framerate at that quality and resolution. But I don't see anything to indicate that something like an i5-4430 + GTX 760 or R9 280 would achieve playable frames at that res either. They didn't test for that.
 
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2is

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Well we certainly agree that AMD quads should be avoided at all costs. ��
 

crashtech

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I've been looking at more results from that Watch Dogs benchmarking article, and it looks like if someone is really keen on playing Watch Dogs, they might want to do it on an Nvidia card, though I confess I do not know if Mantle would help the AMD cards in some instances.



Edit:

At Ultra and 1080, you have to have a good graphics card to achieve playable frame rates in any case:

 
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escrow4

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If you are using Mantle as a crutch your hardware is too slow. If you want a CPU with a modicum of future proofing, get the i7 Devil's Canyon. Even a base 4770 would be sufficient. Dropping back lower and lower will just murder your FPS in upcoming games.
 

AtenRa

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A few weeks ago before watchdogs release, people were praising Haswell Core i3 gaming performance.
Suddenly everyone is using Watchdogs as an example for quad+ core CPUs. Well, if you really want to only play WD and BF4 MP(non mantle) then by all means choose a Quad core or more. The vast majority of games (even the ones using new game engines like CryEngine 3 and Unreal Engine 4) will be perfectly playable with the Core i3.


CryEngine 3
Even Core i3 2100 is able to master a GTX780ti SLI



Unreal Engine 4
Core i3 2100 manages very well with a GTX780ti



There are games that need 4-6 threads but the vast majority of games will be just fine with the Core i3 and a high-end GPU even today.
At the end, its up to the individual user to choose what he wants. Both routes will serve different needs but he will have to sacrifice something either way no matter what route he/she will take.
 

RussianSensation

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Edit:

At Ultra and 1080, you have to have a good graphics card to achieve playable frame rates in any case:

From those 2 charts, with a G3420, the max FPS is 18-19 but with a modern quad, 780 on high textures gets 62 and almost 50 on Ultra textures.

Watch Dogs is just 1 game. There are plenty of games where there will be no difference in performance between an R9 280X/770 and 780/R9 290X because the dual core G3220 will be the primary bottleneck.

After some consideration, it seems that proponents of "good CPU now, good GPU later" are advocating the practice of delayed gratification in order to achieve an experience that over the long haul, provides the most performance per dollar. This is an admirable goal. But the reality that I see most of the time is that gamers will tend to want the the highest performance they can afford right now, even if it means a less than optimal perf/dollar a year or two from now when not just the GPU needs upgraded, but the CPU as well.

Problem is something like an i5 4690K/i7 4790K will provide 36-74% higher gaming performance vs. G3220 with a GPU of R9 290X performacne level in many popular games. So why spend $460-500 on a GTX780 when a $280 R9 280X or even a $220 GTX760 will provide similar performance in those titles when paired with an anemic G3220? Your view advocates spending a lot of money on a GPU that depreciates in value significantly but the performance benefit will be very minimal in many modern games from Watch Dogs to Metro Last Light to Thief to Crysis 3 to Elder Scrolls V. That's a lot of popular games and doesn't even touch the new games in the next 12 months that will all tank on a dual core non-i3 CPU. You think you'll be able to play Witcher 3, The Division, Dragon Age Inquisition, BF:H multiplayer on a G3220 and get 90% of the performance of a 780?

Elder Scrolls Skyrim - i7 4790K is 65% faster than G3220


Metro Last Light - i7 4790K is 74% faster than G3220


Thief - i7 4790K is 36% faster than G3220


The OP is far better off long term getting something similar to an R9 280X for $280, and a Core i5 4690K. As he will upgrade his monitor and games get more GPU demanding, he will resell his 280X and get a new videocard.

Maximum resolution is 1600x10

Given how quickly GPUs depreciate in value and are replaced, what's the point of "future-proofing" with a 780 for 1680x1050? It makes it even worse because 780 is overpriced relative to the performance level it offers and it will be anchored by the G3220 on top of that.

Honestly, if the OP is interested in Watch Dogs, for his resolution, I'd get the Asus GTX760 for $217 that comes with Watch Dogs and then upgrade in 18-20 months to 20nm GPUs if he needs more performance.

What you aren't thinking about is that in 4 years since $500 GTX480 came out, we can buy a card faster for $130. In 4 years from now, a 780 level of performance will be available at $150, while a $500 by June 2018 should be 2.25-2.5x faster, if not more.

The smarter strategy is to invest into the CPU platform and upgrade the GPU more frequently.

A few weeks ago before watchdogs release, people were praising Haswell Core i3 gaming performance. Suddenly everyone is using Watchdogs as an example for quad+ core CPUs.

Who exactly was praising i3s for gaming? The i3 4330 costs just $50 less than an i5. Even a Core i7 860 @ 3.9ghz from September 2009 is without question an overall better gaming CPU than any i3 in 2014. You can cherry-pick all you want showing that an i3 2100 is not a bottleneck in some games for 780SLI but what about games where it tanks GPU's potential?



vs. an overclocked 1st generation i7 in the same game



i3 for gaming should be avoided at all costs unless a gamer only plays games that use 2 cores. If someone is tight on money, they should go and buy a used i5/i7 from any generation and overclock it. A used 2500K can't be that much more expensive than a new i3.

Going AMD route is not peachy either. In many games even FX-9xxx line-up compromises single GPU performance.





It's pretty remarkable how the 1st generation 3.9-4Ghz overclocked i7s stood the test of time. This is even more evidence that a smart gamer should get an i5 4690K/i7 4790K and overclock or buy a used i5, preferably i7 if they are really strapped on cash. The short-term money saved on i3 or constant upgrades on the AMD side to catch up t AMD's CPUs from 4-5 years ago seems like a long-term waste of money and time. If future games use more than 4 cores (hexa becomes beneficial), then an i3 will be even worse. The i5 4690K covers a gamer for most of games that use 4 cores or less (this eliminates i3) and for all games that are dependent on IPC (this eliminates all AMD CPUs). In the context of the total cost of a PC gaming rig and given how quickly some of the other components such as SSDs and GPUs depreciate, the small price increase over i3 and lower AMD FX-6xxx/8xxx, spending a little more for an i5 is hardly material but is well worth the 4 years peace of mind.
 
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AtenRa

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@RussianSensation
For the games you used above.

Elder Scrolls Skyrim - i5 4690 is 14% faster than Core i3 4330.
Both are more than playable.
Core i5 4690 cost 60% more than Core i3 4330

Conclusion : Better have the Core i3 + R9 280 vs Core i5 + R7 260X

Metro Last Light - i5 4690 is 14% faster than Core i3 4330.
Both have the same minimum.
Core i5 4690 cost 60% more than Core i3 4330

Conclusion : Better have the Core i3 + R9 280 vs Core i5 + R7 260X

Thief - i7 4690 is 25% faster than than Core i3 4330.
With Mantle the performance is almost equal.
Core i5 4690 cost 60% more than Core i3 4330

Conclusion : Better have the Core i3 + R9 280 vs Core i5 + R7 260X
 

USER8000

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D3:RoS,works fine on the FX CPUs,since me and my friends play quite a bit of D3(I have a Core i5,some Core i7s,some FX and older Phenom II CPUs). In fact if the FPS does crash/there is lag,it happens for everyone,and seems to be more a limitation on the software/server side,and is quite inconsistent(sometimes large battles during Rifts have no problems and other times it can go pear shaped). You can see an extreme example of this with EVE:Online,where time dialation was introduced to counter the massive problems during large battles.
 
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AtenRa

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i3 for gaming should be avoided at all costs unless a gamer only plays games that use 2 cores.


I will suggest to read the following review. Core i3 4130 paired with R8 280 or GTX760
http://pclab.pl/art57503.html

Those games bellow use more than 2 cores/threads and yet Core i3 4130 can play all of them with a R9 280 or GTX760 at High or Ultra settings.

Now, can you tell me if a Core i5 paired with R7 260X or GTX750ti can play those games at the same Image Quality settings at 1080p ???







Edit: From this performance analysis the conclusion for a gamer will be to completely avoid Core i5 with low end GPUs. :whiste:
 
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SPBHM

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I will suggest to read the following review. Core i3 4130 paired with R8 280 or GTX760
http://pclab.pl/art57503.html

Those games bellow use more than 2 cores/threads and yet Core i3 4130 can play all of them with a R9 280 or GTX760 at High or Ultra settings.

Now, can you tell me if a Core i5 paired with R7 260X or GTX750ti can play those games at the same Image Quality settings at 1080p ???







Edit: From this performance analysis the conclusion for a gamer will be to completely avoid Core i5 with low end GPUs. :whiste:



i5 4460 is $190 and pretty close to the i5 4570 (same base clock, but lower turbo)

this is ultra settings, go with lower settings and you will notice a difference with slower cards

the 4330 is faster than the 4130







4430 is 200Mhz slower than the 4460

in my opinion is poor saving,

look at these difference, and the watch dogs and wolfenstein tests...

being CPU bottlenecked like this with a 280/760 and reasonable settings is not going to be nice.

why 260x? average price on newegg is 130
for the 280 is around 260,

4130 to 4460 is $65.
it should be i5 + 270x vs i3 + 280(non x), but again, jsut add the small difference anyway if you go with a 280 and you will have less CPU bottleneck and your CPU is going to last longer with no need for upgrades... pretty clear.

if you are going to play games with a 260, sure the i3 makes perfect sense.
 
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