Is Google+ Better Than Facebook?

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Ns1

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true, but people switched from myspace to fb because fb's layout was a million times better than myspace. I havent tried google+, but from what I hear, it looks pretty much like fb, just with better privacy controls. And let's face it, majority of the fb users don't care about privacy, otherwise they wouldnt post the shit they do on their wall.

Basically fb was able to steal users away from myspace because customers wanted something different. And when fb was locked, users of myspace/friendster/etc were looking at fb with an envious eye. I don't think anyone is really envious of G+ users right now. It's more of a curiosity. Google has built up good momentum in the past week or so, but they need to keep it going by opening up invites again (note, I said open up invites...not make it open to public) before the curiosity fizzles out.

i agree with this post.
 

Aharami

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Aug 31, 2001
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The limited rollout could have a very negative effect though. When Facebook had a limited rollout, social networking was in its infancy. Now there are half a billion people using it. People have become accustomed to checking in on their friends online; if their friends can't join the network, what reason do they have to visit it? The only way Google+ can hope to compete with Facebook is to start getting users flocking over in droves. "Oh, that guy doesn't update Facebook anymore because he switched to Google+? I guess I better get Google+ so I can keep up with him." Without that element, Google is shooting themselves in the foot.

yea, you pretty eloquently said what I was trying to convey.
 

cronos

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Google has built up good momentum in the past week or so, but they need to keep it going by opening up invites again (note, I said open up invites...not make it open to public) before the curiosity fizzles out.

I think they made a huge mistake (I'm going to have a wild guess that it was inadvertent) when they gave out 500 invitation for everyone who has G+ that first night. The network exploded exponentially in a very short time, but then they had to stop it completely because of capacity problems.

It's like they got a lot of people overly excited and then in the end you got a lot of people with no friends in their circles, eager to try it out but can't do anything about it. They don't even know when they're going to get invitation for their friends.

The GMail style worked so much better. Three at first, and then three more the next week. Then five two weeks later, and then 10 in the next week, etc. It builds up excitement, and people got crazy about it.
 

Ns1

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It's like they got a lot of people overly excited and then in the end you got a lot of people with no friends in their circles, eager to try it out but can't do anything about it. They don't even know when they're going to get invitation for their friends.

yup. it's a lonely place right now.
 

Arkaign

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Oct 27, 2006
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MySpace? Before facebook, MySpace WAS very large and very well established. When Facebook finally was made open to everyone in 2006, Myspace had something like 10 million users.

Sounds impressive until you think about it for a minute. MySpace was mostly 14-25 year olds, gang members, juggalos, and awful bands. 10MM is nothing.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/23/facebook-750-million-users/

Even getting 10% of that is gonna be challenging.
 
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If anybody is in a position to understand the mistakes that MySpace made and to avoid them in the future, it's got to be Facebook. Zuckerberg admitted that if MySpace had simply copied exactly what FB was doing from 2004-2006, there's no way he could have beaten them. Same rules apply here. If Google launches an innovative feature, FB needs to clone the crap out of it ASAP.
The problem with that theory is that Google already has a ton of services it can integrate with Google+. You're telling me that Facebook needs to develop a search engine, mapping software, e-mail server, document editors, video site, web browser and everything else that Google's already done? If that's the case, Facebook is screwed. But Facebook has the leg up at the moment because they have half a billion users already established, and 6+ years of being the premiere social networking site. Google has been a Jack-of-all-trades, doing a little bit of everything, sometimes being the best (their search engine, mapping, and Google docs), sometimes being outplayed (YouTube beating Google video before Google bought YouTube, Google Wave, etc.). Facebook is starting with a hearty advantage, which is good for them, because if Google integrates EVERYTHING with Google+, there's no way Facebook beats them on a level playing field. Having a big lead to start will prove vital.
 

edro

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Apr 5, 2002
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True. YouTube beat Google Video, not because it was better, but because they already had a huge user base.

The difference is that Google cannot afford Facebook.
 

BurnItDwn

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I fvckin hate facebook, but my damn brother got me to use it as we are planning a canoe trip with like 20-30 people this early fall...
 

cronos

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yup. it's a lonely place right now.

Yeah I hear you. I am actually having a blast right now with G+ because I got it from a friend on another community (think ATOT-type bullshit conversation, but much smaller community of 100+ with real-life meets so everyone knows pretty much everyone else personally), so everyone got theirs within the first hour or so.

The timeline is always fun and we get to test G+ crap like crazy. Looking for holes and annoyance to complain about. One of the favorites is the 'share' feature, which is like 'Retweet' on Twitter that's currently abusable, you can re-share a re-share of a re-share, etc. The commenting system, the +1 button, etc. It's just so fresh right now and fun all around.

Note that this also happened exactly the same with Google Wave last year, and we ended up abandoning it anyway because of how bad it was and the fact that it's not improved after a while. So who knows how G+ will turn out in the future.
 

crashtestdummy

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I got an invite last night. I have to say I really like it. The biggest difference between Google+ and Facebook, to me at least, is the style of communication. I'm actually somewhat reminded of Google Groups. In Facebook, posts are broadcast to everyone, and so your Facebook page becomes something akin to a semi-public blog. Google+ does not assume you are interested in wide broadcast, and allows you to post to specific "circles". This means that it becomes much more of a direct communication medium rather than an attention-seeking or voyeuristic one.

I don't think Google+ will simply supplant Facebook, as I think enough people want a place stalk their exes and former classmates, but I do think it can provide a very rich environment on its own. Also, I think the arms race that is about to ensue will make both systems much better in the long run.
 

Cogman

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Sounds impressive until you think about it for a minute. MySpace was mostly 14-25 year olds, gang members, juggalos, and awful bands. 10MM is nothing.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/23/facebook-750-million-users/

Even getting 10% of that is gonna be challenging.

10M is still 10M. The notion at the time was that 14-25 yos where the only ones that would be interested in social media. Things change.

And it isn't like it is an either or sort of thing. In fact, my bet is that just about everyone that has a G+ account is going to have a facebook account in the early stages. The two can coexist.
 

Anubis

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so is it just me or did facebook just change their interface again in the past hour

the hell is this list on the right i now have

not good change
 

Arkaign

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I got an invite last night. I have to say I really like it. The biggest difference between Google+ and Facebook, to me at least, is the style of communication. I'm actually somewhat reminded of Google Groups. In Facebook, posts are broadcast to everyone, and so your Facebook page becomes something akin to a semi-public blog. Google+ does not assume you are interested in wide broadcast, and allows you to post to specific "circles". This means that it becomes much more of a direct communication medium rather than an attention-seeking or voyeuristic one.

I don't think Google+ will simply supplant Facebook, as I think enough people want a place stalk their exes and former classmates, but I do think it can provide a very rich environment on its own. Also, I think the arms race that is about to ensue will make both systems much better in the long run.

I can agree with that, albeit I do think a lot of people don't understand the capabilities of FB as it sits. You can create groups, have posts and content only show up for certain tiers of contacts/etc, but it's not that intuitive imho.

What FB needs is an overhaul of how these tiers are accessed and controlled, in a much more intuitive and easy to grasp way. Easily 90% of the users I see never divert from the standard 'lump everyone and everything together' model with no use of the tiered options.
 

crashtestdummy

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I can agree with that, albeit I do think a lot of people don't understand the capabilities of FB as it sits. You can create groups, have posts and content only show up for certain tiers of contacts/etc, but it's not that intuitive imho.

What FB needs is an overhaul of how these tiers are accessed and controlled, in a much more intuitive and easy to grasp way. Easily 90% of the users I see never divert from the standard 'lump everyone and everything together' model with no use of the tiered options.

I understand that you can make Facebook work more like how I described, but it's not the way the site is naturally designed. On the other hand, Google+ isn't naturally designed for people who want to see what their peripheral friends are up to. I don't think Facebook will alter their overall approach in response, but rather attempt to integrate all the technical features that Google comes up with. I think Google has found a niche that will appeal to those who don't like Facebook, but feel they have no choice, while those who really love the Facebook format will stay with it.
 

abaez

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I got an invite last night. I have to say I really like it. The biggest difference between Google+ and Facebook, to me at least, is the style of communication. I'm actually somewhat reminded of Google Groups. In Facebook, posts are broadcast to everyone, and so your Facebook page becomes something akin to a semi-public blog. Google+ does not assume you are interested in wide broadcast, and allows you to post to specific "circles". This means that it becomes much more of a direct communication medium rather than an attention-seeking or voyeuristic one.

I don't think Google+ will simply supplant Facebook, as I think enough people want a place stalk their exes and former classmates, but I do think it can provide a very rich environment on its own. Also, I think the arms race that is about to ensue will make both systems much better in the long run.

How did you sign up and just get an invite last night if they have been closed to signups for several days now?
 

Anubis

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i don't have it, IE or FF.

individual setting? Don't think I've ever seen this.

yea i can make it go away in FF by opening and closing the "Chat" thing on the bottom right. can only partially remove it in IE and Opera

i noticed it at work today and i didn't change anything (settings) in between when it wasn't happening and when it started

looking at it more it looks like the "most recent" feed sorted by absolute time individually without the other stuff they are commenting on
 

Anubis

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How did you sign up and just get an invite last night if they have been closed to signups for several days now?

lifehacker tweeted early this morning that they were back open but i don't think that was correct unless it was for a very limited time frame
 
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