is my q6600 fried?

[tornadog]

I got a new abit ip35-e board from newegg, put in the q6600 i bought from one of the forums in it and booted up, went into the bios and temp was 70 degrees celsius and rising. verified fan was running and everything. two days of reseating the coller and same result. for testing I took off the cooler and booted waited 10 s and touched the cpu. it burned my finger bios said it was at 98 degree celsius. I have rmaed the board, but my concern is did it take out my cpu too. i had a Asus p5n32-e earlier and temps were at 45-50 degrees celsius at 2700 mhz and 1.35V

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: tornadog
I got a new abit ip35-e board from newegg, put in the q6600 i bought from one of the forums in it and booted up, went into the bios and temp was 70 degrees celsius and rising. verified fan was running and everything. two days of reseating the coller and same result. for testing I took off the cooler and booted waited 10 s and touched the cpu. it burned my finger bios said it was at 98 degree celsius. I have rmaed the board, but my concern is did it take out my cpu too. i had a Asus p5n32-e earlier and temps were at 45-50 degrees celsius at 2700 mhz and 1.35V

The cpu has a auto shutdown where your system just shuts off when your die controller hits a certain temp.

Intel accounted for this oops incase of a fan failure.


As for the problems im looking at your board. The IP35-E IS the WORST quadcore overclocking board i have ever had my hands on.

Thank god mine died, and it can rest in peace.


But i dont think your chip died. If anything the board with its terrible vdroop is giving your cpu voltage not adaquite for operation.

 

[v8envy]

What makes the IP35-E so bad for quad OCing? Just curious -- my DS3L is doing just fine with a quad and it's also a value board. Is it only the high end OCs (read: > 400 mhz fsb) that are a problem? Is it the quad vdroop?

 

[tornadog]

I am actually getting the DS3L tomorrow...keeping my fingers crossed!!!

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: v8envy

What makes the IP35-E so bad for quad OCing? Just curious -- my DS3L is doing just fine with a quad and it's also a value board. Is it only the high end OCs (read: > 400 mhz fsb) that are a problem? Is it the quad vdroop?

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...t_key=y&keyword1=CM690

Then i gave it the benifit of the doubt and went ahead with it:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...ht_key=y&keyword1=ip35

Enjoy the reading. The biggest mistake ive made this year. Drop a 300 dollar watercooling system on a budget build quadcore system. *sigh*

Read the posts regarding the bad vdroop and nasty reboot.
[On a note, its a good board for the newbie/novice overclocker. For the people looking for that edge performance, or something better, definitely stay away from this board]

In short, i gave up on the board and moved it to a backup rig.
The board was going fine for about 3 weeks on air, and then died. Now its sitting in a box debating on the RMA or give to my cousins and have them rma.

Eitherway i hate abit. Never ever will i touch this board again, along with the evga 680i

 

[Tempered81]

i think the prochot would shutdown the cpu before you could damage it with heat. i haven't heard too many c2d's dying except for when overvolted. comment, anyone?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
i think the prochot would shutdown the cpu before you could damage it with heat. i haven't heard too many c2d's dying except for when overvolted. comment, anyone?

i think you missed my first post.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: jaredpace
i think the prochot would shutdown the cpu before you could damage it with heat. i haven't heard too many c2d's dying except for when overvolted. comment, anyone?

i think you missed my first post.

comment on e8400/8500 anyone?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: jaredpace

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: jaredpace
i think the prochot would shutdown the cpu before you could damage it with heat. i haven't heard too many c2d's dying except for when overvolted. comment, anyone?

i think you missed my first post.

comment on e8400/8500 anyone?

should be the same for those too.

The TjMax values given on coretemp / realtemp is the shutdown threshold temp.

Meaning if your cores hit those values it should shut off. (very simular to you pulling the powercord, not a windows shutdown)

However there is an ODD case going on with a Q9450. I have no clue on why his processor is still alive.

And ive "on accident" tested this b4. One of my pumps wasnt on, as soon as that chip hit TjMax, it shut off. Took 3 shutdowns b4 i realized i did something really stupid. :X

Edit: sorry ment TjMax not TDP. Argh... TDP is something completely different.

 

[Tempered81]

oh I thought you had heard of a wolfdale dying while overvolted @ 1.5ish or something of that nature. is it possible that he fried his q6600 with heat? i don't think it would be...

 

[EvilSponge]

Well from my experience with the Abit IP35-E I find it's a fine value board if you can deal with the large Vdrop. I have mine running my quad @ 3.6ghz 35-36 idle and 66c-67 loaded on air and in hot south Florida
Now the Gigabye board is a very fine board as well I like it to. I was going to buy the Gigabyte board but the Abit was $60.00 after rebate new could not pass up. Good luck

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
oh I thought you had heard of a wolfdale dying while overvolted @ 1.5ish or something of that nature. is it possible that he fried his q6600 with heat? i don't think it would be...

eh?

no im agreeing with you. The chip has a built in thermal shut down so b4 it gets damaged the computer turns off.

And i did it on my wolfdale while i was setting her up on the torture rack. That didnt kill it. What killed it was the long term load testing @ 1.57Vcore

Also ive done that to Q6600 quads. Sometimes when im in a rush, i do the stupidist things.

 

[Mondoman]

I seem to remember reading something about the thermal shutdown not being activated until some time *after* the CPU is powered up. Since the OP took off the CPU cooler, then turned on the computer, he may very well have fried his CPU. Not sure why he RMA'd the MB...

 

[tutelary]

Originally posted by: tornadog
for testing I took off the cooler and booted waited 10 s and touched the cpu. it burned my finger bios said it was at 98 degree celsius.

why in the hell would you do this? NEVER do this.

 

[PCTC2]

Originally posted by: Mondoman
I seem to remember reading something about the thermal shutdown not being activated until some time *after* the CPU is powered up. Since the OP took off the CPU cooler, then turned on the computer, he may very well have fried his CPU. Not sure why he RMA'd the MB...

Well, it has an autoshut-off. I can't remember which site, but one of the review sites booted up a few Core2's without heatsinks and let the thermal-shut-off feature work. None were damaged.

BUT, the Abit IP35-E's PWM circuitry has a problem more with WATTAGE than VOLTAGE. As the thread Aigo probably linked, it was decided that the Abit didn't have problem with voltage (vDroop is specification) but when you put in a quad-core, the extra amperage at load causes instabilities with a problematic PWM circuitry. A dual-core would need to be booted at suicide voltage to get the same wattage so that's why it would never come up with a dual-core Core2. vDroop, again, is just specification.

 

[tornadog]

ok with the gigabyte its idling at 48 which is still high. I applied AS5, just a rice grain amount and spread it in th emiddle with my finger. Only concern is how much should i turn the screws of the enzotech cooler. Does it go all the way till I can turn it no more, or do i stop when i meet the first sign of resistance?

this is the link with pics of the cooler. one of the images shows the screw arrangement

http://www.frozencpu.com/produ...ler_Intel_and_AMD.html

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: tornadog
ok with the gigabyte its idling at 48 which is still high. I applied AS5, just a rice grain amount and spread it in th emiddle with my finger. Only concern is how much should i turn the screws of the enzotech cooler. Does it go all the way till I can turn it no more, or do i stop when i meet the first sign of resistance?

tighten all of them to the first point of resistance. Then give it a few more twists on all 4 to even tension on the sink.

Then depending on where your torque lies, meaning if its hanging sideways, more pressure would be applied to the bottom, you need the top ones a little tighter then the bottom ones to compensate for weight torque.

 

[Nathelion]

1) Why the h*ll would anyone boot their computer without the HS on? Haven't they watched this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHH6u56iA0E ?

2) It's not advisable to use your fingers when applying thermal grease.

 

[tornadog]

i installed xp on it and ran it all night, temp went to 76 degrees and it shutdown...funny thing it booted up at 3.4 GHz at stock voltage and ran without any errors other then the high temperature....i am throwing away the q6600 and getting one of the E2XXX, just to get my pc running....unless any of you have any constructive suggestions

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Sometimes when im in a rush, i do the stupidist things.

Yeah, me too... When you have been tweaking a system all night and are tired, it is easy to forget to plug in the water pump, or the CPU fan after the 7th time you have reseated the CPU and and or waterblock, or motherboard, etc...

When I first had my Q6600 B3 my ThermalRight SI-128SE did not have the fan plugged in, the CPU shot up to 99C - 100C (BIOS reported under hardware monitor) and I just sort watched in shock... Finally powered off the system and I wanted to see if it was just a glitch, but when I touched the heat pipes on the sink, it fried my fingers and I mean fried them.

That CPU is still going strong, now in my dad's rig, even after running it at 3.6Ghz @ 1.56v for 5 months... CPU's are not as wimpy as people think. However, that doesn't mean the abuse is good, just that these chips are made to handle these types of mistakes.

Like Aigo mentioned, keeping a CPU under load 24/7 with a high voltage will give plenty wear and tear on the CPU, as well the motherboard. However, most of us rarely load all four cores at once anyway, let alone 24/7/365.

I do happen to do a lot of video encoding, which uses all four cores and I do run quite a few games, but other than that the CPU sits quite idle.

As for the Abit discussions. The board sucks for quads and I should know, I have two of them. It was a mistake on my purchase as well. If I was like Aigo where I loaded my machines up, this board would be removed from my system ASAP. But, again, since I do not load my machines up like Prime95 or Folding does, I don't really need a better board. But, keep in mind here that I am not saying the Abit IP35-E is junk, it is only junk if the two criteria are met. 1) Quad Core and 2) Heavy - Extreme overclocking. A little bit of mild overclocking is fine for the board. A Q6600 will happily do 3.2Ghz on the board with no problems, move much past that and the Vcore required to make it stable will cause the Abit board to puke when all four cores are under 100% load.

 

[tornadog]

i installed xp on it and ran it all night, temp went to 76 degrees and it shutdown...funny thing it booted up at 3.4 GHz at stock voltage and ran without any errors other then the high temperature....i am throwing away the q6600 and getting one of the E2XXX, just to get my pc running....unless any of you have any constructive suggestions

just so someone can answer my question and not be sidetracked into other discussions...

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: tornadog
i installed xp on it and ran it all night, temp went to 76 degrees and it shutdown...funny thing it booted up at 3.4 GHz at stock voltage and ran without any errors other then the high temperature....i am throwing away the q6600 and getting one of the E2XXX, just to get my pc running....unless any of you have any constructive suggestions

just so someone can answer my question and not be sidetracked into other discussions...

Run the CPU at stock speed and voltage first, don't overclock until you know it is stable at stock speeds, then move up. You didn't provide hardly any information in this post above, so if you have more details, be sure to spill them out. Otherwise, it sort of like someone calling up a mechanic and saying "My cars makes noise, so unless you have any suggestions, I am going to junk it and buy a new one"... Seriously, more info here.

1) What were you doing when it shut off?
2) Why did you leave it at 3.4Ghz with stock voltage?
3) What voltage is the memory set at? How much? voltage?

I could ask a million more questiosn, but I will stop there.

 

[tornadog]

i was not doing anything. I had installed XP and was letting it install the updates overnight. at stock speeds it was idling at 50, when i bumped it to 3.4 it was idling at 55. then I came in the morning and saw my machine was off or in some sort of standby. i turned off the machine and booted again and went into bios and temp said 76 degrees celsius. vid is showing as 1.3125V.Memory is at SPD, voltage was +.1 over stock

 

[Renegade5399]

And you're 100% sure you have it mounted correctly? Maybe the temp sensor is bad. Does the HSF feel really warm?

 

[tornadog]

I ran coretemp and it was showing the same temps on all 4 cores. yes the HS feels real warm. And its mounted correctly as far as I can tell, I have mounted it about 20 times in the last week or so.