Is the confederate flag racist?

[igowerf]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: tkotitan2
Flags aren't racist, people are.

:thumbsup:

It's not that people are labeling an inanimate object as racist. The point is that the associations that come with the object are offensive, in the same way that the associations that come with a certain word composed of the letters n-g-e-i-g-r are considered racist. A word can't be racist though right? Yet people generally agree that the word is improper to use because of its connotations.

I personally don't see the Confederate flag as a symbol of racism, but as someone said before, it is a symbol of rebellion against the nation, so it's not appropriate for government buildings.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: igowerf

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: tkotitan2
Flags aren't racist, people are.

:thumbsup:

It's not that people are labeling an inanimate object as racist. The point is that the associations that come with the object are offensive, in the same way that the associations that come with a certain word composed of the letters n-g-e-i-g-r are considered racist. A word can't be racist though right? Yet people generally agree that the word is improper to use because of its connotations.

I personally don't see the Confederate flag as a symbol of racism, but as someone said before, it is a symbol of rebellion against the nation, so it's not appropriate for government buildings.

<Bill Cosby>If that word is so racist and offensive why is that word used as a term of endearment between young P Diddy wannabe's?

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: tkotitan2
Flags aren't racist, people are.

Thank you.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: tkotitan2
Flags aren't racist, people are.

Thank you.

This flag begs to differ.

 

[PanzerIV]

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: PanzerIV

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: PanzerIV
In and of itself no. However, it's usually sported by redneck hillbillies who yearn for the good ole days of slavery and killin' Yankees.

Yes because you know EXACTLY what they yearn for. :roll:

Considering I now live in MS, yep, that's exactly what I believe. Too many f^ckin' racists and plenty of rednecks who still talk about us Yankees like the war was last year or something.


Are all Southerners like that of course not but plenty are. I see it ALL THE DAMN TIME.

Panzer knows what I am talking about.All these frat boys around here yelp and scream about change the governor not the flag...but get some JB in them and you will see what that Southern Pride is all about. I see it every day..dont try and dispute my years of experience here.

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Or when they are in a group perfectly sober and assume because they are racist asshats that you are too and say whatever comes to mind, not thinking it might actually offend somebody who is white too. I work with a bunch of people like that and know of several more.

 

[jjones]

I've met several confederate flags and they didn't seem racist to me.

 

[AU Tiger]

It should be a symbol of Southern pride, but it has been tarnished by the minority of racist people who used it as a symbol for their causes. There was a lot of good things in the South that the flag could have been associated with, but it will always be associated with slavery.

 

[FinalFantasy]

I am a minority, Black, and in TODAYS world I do not see the confederate flag as a symbol of racism, but during the years of the Civil War that is what it obviously stood for...the beliefs of the Southern states that Blacks were inferior to Whites and that slavery should not be abolished and that's what they were fighting for. The confederate flag IS apart of American history, BUT it is how SOME people use and/or represent the Confederate flag that makes it a symbol of racism today, when really all the Confederate flag should represent a defeated "movement"/army/people of the Confederacy. When someone has a Confederate flag hanging out in front of their house or even on their huge 4x4 pick-ups, they are not using it to represent and show American history. The message that those TYPE of people are trying to convey is:

1. Too bad the North had to win...American, in present day, should be like "the good ole" south was in the past.
2. I'm a racist and I do not like Blacks--
3. I'm White and I'm superior to all "you" minorities, the USA is a "White" person's country and all other races here are just visitors.

Man...the Civil War ended how many years ago....decades.....a century and some change...and you're still trying to wave the Confederate flag in my face. New flash...the South lost, Blacks are free and my only master is God.

One things funny though...I see these "Hicks" and "Hill Billies" in SoCal (which doesn't even have "hills" for these Hill Billies to live in) driving their huge raised 4x4 trucks around town sometimes with a Confederate flag hanging from the back and they want to stare and look "hard"....but when they get out the truck at let's say a gas station, they're 30 years old, 5'6 maybe 5'8 and 160-180lbs and when I get out of my car I'm 6'4 217lbs and I'm in the gym a lot....all I see is fear and embarrassment on their faces....guess they picked the wrong Black guy to f$%^ with this time.........and who was "superior" to me again...guess not that guy and his SILLY Confederate flag.

 

[Preyhunter]

I could give two sh!ts if my Confederate flag (if I had one) offends someone. Hell, there's things that others do, say, and own that offend me, but I don't see them bending over backwards in attempts to not offend me and I don't expect them to. That's just something I'll deal with on my own. In the same vein, I don't want people expecting me to care about their sensitivities and feelings. I owe them nothing and I am beneath no one. If someone is going to be offended by an inanimate object that no longer symbolizes anything, then it sounds like that person's personal problem that he needs to work out with himself as far as I'm concerned. Screw political correctness and the ass it rode in on.

 

[mobobuff]

Not the flag itself. It was just a battleship flag. But the retarded hicks that fly them thinking they're hating someone with it, they're racist.

 

[PanzerIV]

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy
I am a minority, Black, and in TODAYS world I do not see the confederate flag as a symbol of racism, but during the years of the Civil War that is what it obviously stood for...the beliefs of the Southern states that Blacks were inferior to Whites and that slavery should not be abolished and that's what they were fighting for. The confederate flag IS apart of American history, BUT it is how SOME people use and/or represent the Confederate flag that makes it a symbol of racism today, when really all the Confederate flag should represent a defeated "movement"/army/people of the Confederacy. When someone has a Confederate flag hanging out in front of their house or even on their huge 4x4 pick-ups, they are not using it to represent and show American history. The message that those TYPE of people are trying to convey is:

1. Too bad the North had to win...American, in present day, should be like "the good ole" south was in the past.
2. I'm a racist and I do not like Blacks--
3. I'm White and I'm superior to all "you" minorities, the USA is a "White" person's country and all other races here are just visitors.

Man...the Civil War ended how many years ago....decades.....a century and some change...and you're still trying to wave the Confederate flag in my face. New flash...the South lost, Blacks are free and my only master is God.

One things funny though...I see these "Hicks" and "Hill Billies" in SoCal (which doesn't even have "hills" for these Hill Billies to live in) driving their huge raised 4x4 trucks around town sometimes with a Confederate flag hanging from the back and they want to stare and look "hard"....but when they get out the truck at let's say a gas station, they're 30 years old, 5'6 maybe 5'8 and 160-180lbs and when I get out of my car I'm 6'4 217lbs and I'm in the gym a lot....all I see is fear and embarrassment on their faces....guess they picked the wrong Black guy to f$%^ with this time.........and who was "superior" to me again...guess not that guy and his SILLY Confederate flag.

I agree entirely. A bit off the subject but the last part of your thoughts regarding the gas station reminded me of this time I was driving back from FL and stopped for some gas. Some black guy had his stereo bumping and it pissed off this old white dude who I overheard ranting to his g.f. about it. So, being the mature fellow he was he turned his stereo up as loud as he could and menacingly glanced towards the other guy. I guess his narrow mind it was ok to exacerbate the situation and make the rest of us listen to two blaring radios so he could get "even" seeing as he was such a brilliant, tough guy. :roll:

 

[Ausm]

It is the epitome of Redneckism


Ausm

 

[FinalFantasy]

Originally posted by: Preyhunter
I could give two sh!ts if my Confederate flag (if I had one) offends someone. Hell, there's things that others do, say, and own that offend me, but I don't see them bending over backwards in attempts to not offend me and I don't expect them to. That's just something I'll deal with on my own. In the same vein, I don't want people expecting me to care about their sensitivities and feelings. I owe them nothing and I am beneath no one. If someone is going to be offended by an inanimate object that no longer symbolizes anything, then it sounds like that person's personal problem that he needs to work out with himself as far as I'm concerned. Screw political correctness and the ass it rode in on.

Yea, of course there things that people in this world say/do/smell like/look like/etc that other people find offensive and they are just going to have to learn how to "deal with it", but we are talking about history here man. The Confederate flag was part of one the most racist movements/wars in American history, and if you haven't heard of the "Civil War" and you don't know what the Confederate flag represented during that time, then I suggest you go read a book and educate your self.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: Preyhunter
I could give two sh!ts if my Confederate flag (if I had one) offends someone. Hell, there's things that others do, say, and own that offend me, but I don't see them bending over backwards in attempts to not offend me and I don't expect them to. That's just something I'll deal with on my own. In the same vein, I don't want people expecting me to care about their sensitivities and feelings. I owe them nothing and I am beneath no one. If someone is going to be offended by an inanimate object that no longer symbolizes anything, then it sounds like that person's personal problem that he needs to work out with himself as far as I'm concerned. Screw political correctness and the ass it rode in on.

Yea, of course there things that people in this world say/do/smell like/look like/etc that other people find offensive and they are just going to have to learn how to "deal with it", but we are talking about history here man. The Confederate flag was part of one the most racist movements/wars in American history, and if you haven't heard of the "Civil War" and you don't know what the Confederate flag represented during that time, then I suggest you go read a book and educate your self.

Ignorance is bliss.

If you think the Civil War was first and foremost about slavery and racism, then I suggest that you go read a book and educate yourself.

 

[imported_yovonbishop]

I'm not sure if I want to touch this subject. I'll just leave it at that I agree with everyone on here who says that the flag itself doesn't represent racism, only the people who hang it high trying to show how much they hate anyone who isn't white. And by saying that I don't mean everyone who owns a confederate flag owns one for that purpose, I only mean the many who in fact are racist.

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Cogman
If I remember Correctly, the Cival war was not about the abolishment of slavery. The abolishment of slavery was the Proverbial straw that broke the camels back.

Wow, someone with independent thought that was not brainwashed by liberal history books and you are not a Southerner....:Q

I AM a southerner, and if I remember correctly, Lincoln gave the south an altimatum of 13 days to move the slaves out of the south. I believe in the meantime, he blockaded southern ports with Union vessels to keep Soviet ships from reinforcing the south. Then something happens with Mexico, and the South launched an attack on the North. During the ensuing battle, there was serious damage done to the historic Mason-Dixon jail, and the White House was burned down.

:thumbsup:

you don't remember correctly. your grasp of history is miniscule at best. The fact that you said Soviet during a civil war discussion is probably the funniest thing I've read today.

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: Preyhunter
I could give two sh!ts if my Confederate flag (if I had one) offends someone. Hell, there's things that others do, say, and own that offend me, but I don't see them bending over backwards in attempts to not offend me and I don't expect them to. That's just something I'll deal with on my own. In the same vein, I don't want people expecting me to care about their sensitivities and feelings. I owe them nothing and I am beneath no one. If someone is going to be offended by an inanimate object that no longer symbolizes anything, then it sounds like that person's personal problem that he needs to work out with himself as far as I'm concerned. Screw political correctness and the ass it rode in on.

Yea, of course there things that people in this world say/do/smell like/look like/etc that other people find offensive and they are just going to have to learn how to "deal with it", but we are talking about history here man. The Confederate flag was part of one the most racist movements/wars in American history, and if you haven't heard of the "Civil War" and you don't know what the Confederate flag represented during that time, then I suggest you go read a book and educate your self.

Ignorance is bliss.

If you think the Civil War was first and foremost about slavery and racism, then I suggest that you go read a book and educate yourself.

what he said.

The Civic war was NOT started because of racism, Lincoln could have given a sh!t less

 

[Preyhunter]

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: Preyhunter
I could give two sh!ts if my Confederate flag (if I had one) offends someone. Hell, there's things that others do, say, and own that offend me, but I don't see them bending over backwards in attempts to not offend me and I don't expect them to. That's just something I'll deal with on my own. In the same vein, I don't want people expecting me to care about their sensitivities and feelings. I owe them nothing and I am beneath no one. If someone is going to be offended by an inanimate object that no longer symbolizes anything, then it sounds like that person's personal problem that he needs to work out with himself as far as I'm concerned. Screw political correctness and the ass it rode in on.

Yea, of course there things that people in this world say/do/smell like/look like/etc that other people find offensive and they are just going to have to learn how to "deal with it", but we are talking about history here man. The Confederate flag was part of one the most racist movements/wars in American history, and if you haven't heard of the "Civil War" and you don't know what the Confederate flag represented during that time, then I suggest you go read a book and educate your self.

Ignorance is bliss.

Keep talking. If ignorance is bliss, you'd be one to know. The key word you used, yet fail to understand, is
history. We are best served by history when we know the facts, remember lessons learned, and keep emotions in check. If you want to dwell on history and remain pissed off and not move forward and be a man, that's your prerogative and your problem. The flag no longer has real meaning because the Confederacy no longer exists. Do I like the flag? Yes. Why? I don't know, maybe because I was born in Atlanta and have always lived in the south. I happen to believe that people from the south are more congenial and hospitable than their northern counterparts, especially when you keep your nose out of their business. All of my family is from the south and that's where my heritage comes from. The south also has the best looking women.

Did I say anywhere in there that I love to hate blacks? No. Did I say that I think we need to reinstitute the establishment of slavery? No. Are your perceptions and stereotypes of white people in the south that like this particular flag faulty and skewed? Yes.

 

[kevman]

Originally posted by: Preyhunter

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: Preyhunter
I could give two sh!ts if my Confederate flag (if I had one) offends someone. Hell, there's things that others do, say, and own that offend me, but I don't see them bending over backwards in attempts to not offend me and I don't expect them to. That's just something I'll deal with on my own. In the same vein, I don't want people expecting me to care about their sensitivities and feelings. I owe them nothing and I am beneath no one. If someone is going to be offended by an inanimate object that no longer symbolizes anything, then it sounds like that person's personal problem that he needs to work out with himself as far as I'm concerned. Screw political correctness and the ass it rode in on.

Yea, of course there things that people in this world say/do/smell like/look like/etc that other people find offensive and they are just going to have to learn how to "deal with it", but we are talking about history here man. The Confederate flag was part of one the most racist movements/wars in American history, and if you haven't heard of the "Civil War" and you don't know what the Confederate flag represented during that time, then I suggest you go read a book and educate your self.

Ignorance is bliss.

Keep talking. If ignorance is bliss, you'd be one to know. The key word you used, yet fail to understand, is
history. We are best served by history when we know the facts, remember lessons learned, and keep emotions in check. If you want to dwell on history and remain pissed off and not move forward and be a man, that's your prerogative and your problem. The flag no longer has real meaning because the Confederacy no longer exists. Do I like the flag? Yes. Why? I don't know, maybe because I was born in Atlanta and have always lived in the south. I happen to believe that people from the south are more congenial and hospitable than their northern counterparts, especially when you keep your nose out of their business. All of my family is from the south and that's where my heritage comes from. The south also has the best looking women.

Did I say anywhere in there that I love to hate blacks? No. Did I say that I think we need to reinstitute the establishment of slavery? No. Are your perceptions and stereotypes of white people in the south that like this particular flag faulty and skewed? Yes.

UHHH Wrong....jersey has the best looking women

 

[amoeba]

The connection of the confederate flag to racism can be only viewed in the context which it is displayed.

That said, it is offensive enough to some people that prohibiting its use within government symbols would not be going overboard.

Purely for the fact that its a symbol of rebellion, it should not be used as a state flag, etc....

Imagine if certain states that were predominately british loyalists during the american revolution ended up creating state flags after the war which included exact replicas of the british flag.

 

[FinalFantasy]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: Preyhunter
I could give two sh!ts if my Confederate flag (if I had one) offends someone. Hell, there's things that others do, say, and own that offend me, but I don't see them bending over backwards in attempts to not offend me and I don't expect them to. That's just something I'll deal with on my own. In the same vein, I don't want people expecting me to care about their sensitivities and feelings. I owe them nothing and I am beneath no one. If someone is going to be offended by an inanimate object that no longer symbolizes anything, then it sounds like that person's personal problem that he needs to work out with himself as far as I'm concerned. Screw political correctness and the ass it rode in on.

Yea, of course there things that people in this world say/do/smell like/look like/etc that other people find offensive and they are just going to have to learn how to "deal with it", but we are talking about history here man. The Confederate flag was part of one the most racist movements/wars in American history, and if you haven't heard of the "Civil War" and you don't know what the Confederate flag represented during that time, then I suggest you go read a book and educate your self.

Ignorance is bliss.

If you think the Civil War was first and foremost about slavery and racism, then I suggest that you go read a book and educate yourself.

"The Confederate flag was part of one the most racist movements/wars in American history..."

You must have read my post wrong and you are assuming; go back, read it again, revise your post.

Thank you.

 

[eigen]

Originally posted by: Preyhunter
I could give two sh!ts if my Confederate flag (if I had one) offends someone. Hell, there's things that others do, say, and own that offend me, but I don't see them bending over backwards in attempts to not offend me and I don't expect them to. That's just something I'll deal with on my own. In the same vein, I don't want people expecting me to care about their sensitivities and feelings. I owe them nothing and I am beneath no one. If someone is going to be offended by an inanimate object that no longer symbolizes anything, then it sounds like that person's personal problem that he needs to work out with himself as far as I'm concerned. Screw political correctness and the ass it rode in on.

Then get it off my flag. And it does mean something as the NCAA recently stated that certain events will longer be held in the state of Mississippi due to the flag.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: Preyhunter
I could give two sh!ts if my Confederate flag (if I had one) offends someone. Hell, there's things that others do, say, and own that offend me, but I don't see them bending over backwards in attempts to not offend me and I don't expect them to. That's just something I'll deal with on my own. In the same vein, I don't want people expecting me to care about their sensitivities and feelings. I owe them nothing and I am beneath no one. If someone is going to be offended by an inanimate object that no longer symbolizes anything, then it sounds like that person's personal problem that he needs to work out with himself as far as I'm concerned. Screw political correctness and the ass it rode in on.

Yea, of course there things that people in this world say/do/smell like/look like/etc that other people find offensive and they are just going to have to learn how to "deal with it", but we are talking about history here man. The Confederate flag was part of one the most racist movements/wars in American history, and if you haven't heard of the "Civil War" and you don't know what the Confederate flag represented during that time, then I suggest you go read a book and educate your self.

Ignorance is bliss.

If you think the Civil War was first and foremost about slavery and racism, then I suggest that you go read a book and educate yourself.

"The Confederate flag was part of one the most racist movements/wars in American history..."

You must have read my post wrong and you are assuming; go back, read it again, revise your post.

Thank you.

If you think the civil war was about racism and slavery, please read a book and educate yourself.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: Preyhunter
I could give two sh!ts if my Confederate flag (if I had one) offends someone. Hell, there's things that others do, say, and own that offend me, but I don't see them bending over backwards in attempts to not offend me and I don't expect them to. That's just something I'll deal with on my own. In the same vein, I don't want people expecting me to care about their sensitivities and feelings. I owe them nothing and I am beneath no one. If someone is going to be offended by an inanimate object that no longer symbolizes anything, then it sounds like that person's personal problem that he needs to work out with himself as far as I'm concerned. Screw political correctness and the ass it rode in on.

Yea, of course there things that people in this world say/do/smell like/look like/etc that other people find offensive and they are just going to have to learn how to "deal with it", but we are talking about history here man. The Confederate flag was part of one the most racist movements/wars in American history, and if you haven't heard of the "Civil War" and you don't know what the Confederate flag represented during that time, then I suggest you go read a book and educate your self.

Ignorance is bliss.

If you think the Civil War was first and foremost about slavery and racism, then I suggest that you go read a book and educate yourself.

"The Confederate flag was part of one the most racist movements/wars/ in American history..."

You must have read my post wrong and you are assuming; go back, read it again, revise your post.

Thank you.

You clearly alluded to slavery.

 

[amoeba]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: FinalFantasy

Originally posted by: Preyhunter
I could give two sh!ts if my Confederate flag (if I had one) offends someone. Hell, there's things that others do, say, and own that offend me, but I don't see them bending over backwards in attempts to not offend me and I don't expect them to. That's just something I'll deal with on my own. In the same vein, I don't want people expecting me to care about their sensitivities and feelings. I owe them nothing and I am beneath no one. If someone is going to be offended by an inanimate object that no longer symbolizes anything, then it sounds like that person's personal problem that he needs to work out with himself as far as I'm concerned. Screw political correctness and the ass it rode in on.

Yea, of course there things that people in this world say/do/smell like/look like/etc that other people find offensive and they are just going to have to learn how to "deal with it", but we are talking about history here man. The Confederate flag was part of one the most racist movements/wars in American history, and if you haven't heard of the "Civil War" and you don't know what the Confederate flag represented during that time, then I suggest you go read a book and educate your self.

Ignorance is bliss.

If you think the Civil War was first and foremost about slavery and racism, then I suggest that you go read a book and educate yourself.

"The Confederate flag was part of one the most racist movements/wars in American history..."

You must have read my post wrong and you are assuming; go back, read it again, revise your post.

Thank you.

If you think the civil war was about racism and slavery, please read a book and educate yourself.

It really depends on the book. While revisionist historians like to think that the civil war was based purely on states rights, to say that slavery did not contribute to the civil war is very ignorant.

There are many factors which contributed to the civil war, one of which was slavery.