Is this worth the price?

v8envy

Platinum Member
Sep 7, 2002
2,720
0
0
The prices look a bit high, even if dollars were the same thing as pounds. Also, worth it for what? If your goal is to state you have some of the most expensive mainstream components money can buy, sure. Could you match or better the performance of that box if you build it yourself (or just buy a mac pro) for less? Absolutely. Looks like in addition to charging you 166 pounds to throw the components in a case he's also itemizing parts of the build process (cable management) and marking the parts up 10-50%.

By the time the dust settles the performance of that box will be identical to (or, in fact, slightly less than) any $600 Q6600 + DS3L + 8800GTS 512 build posted as a template on these forums. But the $6000 build (10x the cost) will have better bragging rights and should OC a bit better.

In conclusion, I wouldn't pay anywhere near that much, even if the $600 build costs $1200 in the UK.
 

Jax Omen

Golden Member
Mar 14, 2008
1,654
2
81
That is ridiculously overpriced, and that link says the prices are excluding VAT.
 

jonathanc

Member
Mar 17, 2008
36
0
0
Hey! Sorry for not being too specific. I currently have an old rig I built myself last year which I used for work + gaming. Now, while it is sufficient for most of my work now, it is running out of breath on some games I play (Crysis, CoD4, BF2142 etc). My old rig runs on an air cooled E6600 B2 @ 3.2Ghz, 4 GBs PC2-6400 ddr2.

What I plan to do is either build (or buy) a new rig that I will use just for gaming. I find that mixing both can be difficult sometimes.

So what I plan is to (hopefully) by summer build/buy a "future" proof rig. I am just tempted to buy the whole rig as it saves a lot of work and you get the manufacturer warranty. I have had a few bad experiences before (and I am also not that updated anymore with the current/future trends) so thats why I am considering buying.

Is water cooling definitely necessary if I don't go over 3.5Ghz on a quad? Just asking because my current setup now runs pretty hot @ 48oC average. If it is not then I might just build my own as I lack experience with water cooling.

p/s: The specs/performance I expect from this gaming rig is almost like what you see on the webpage.

 

Jax Omen

Golden Member
Mar 14, 2008
1,654
2
81
There is no such thing as a future-proof rig. They simply do not exist, and never have.
 

Jester666

Senior member
Mar 20, 2004
984
0
76
What GFX card are you using now? I would think that an E6600 B2 @ 3.2Ghz is plenty of cpu horsepower for current games.
 

Jax Omen

Golden Member
Mar 14, 2008
1,654
2
81
Yeah, an E6600 at or above 3GHZ is more than enough CPU horsepower for every game on the planet except for Supreme Commander. You should just pick up a new graphics card (and maybe a PSU if yours would be too wimpy) and call it a day.
 

Denithor

Diamond Member
Apr 11, 2004
6,298
23
81
Jester +1
Jax +1

Thirded. Your GPU is probably holding you back much more in games than the overclocked e6600 (which at that speed will be equal to the latest stock e8400).

If you don't already have a G92 8800/9800 series card, upgrade that first before considering other options.
 

v8envy

Platinum Member
Sep 7, 2002
2,720
0
0
I noticed you mentioned Crysis. There is no hardware in existence right now that'll give you a smooth, high frame rate experience in Crysis with everything maxed at high res. That $6000 rig you quoted absolutely positively will not, I'll guarantee it.

A quad at over 3 ghz will be faster, but still won't do it. Your CPU is not your major bottleneck right now. Download and run 3dmark06, then compare your results to others -- there may be a system issue which is causing your rig not to run at its full potential.

I'm guessing you have a Radeon 1950XT or 7900GT as your graphics card. If you already have an 8800GT 320 or better you'll get a relatively minor improvement from upgrading unless you have a hardware/software issue like running PCIe in 1x as opposed to 16x mode.

Also, just went to www.alienware.co.uk. A significantly better gaming system from Alienware with a Q9450, dual 9800GX2s, 790i board and 1000w PSU is.... much cheaper (2600 pounds), and that's saying a lot. Granted, it's not water cooled or overclocked -- but should be worlds faster at stock speed.

Vadim may be a great guy, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to pay him 2.5 times the cash for 1/4 the frame rates.
 

aigomorla

CPU, Cases&Cooling Mod PC Gaming Mod Elite Member
Super Moderator
Sep 28, 2005
21,029
3,510
126
1. that looks like a rocketfish case, I cant justify paying that much for something that looks like that.

2. Supreme cabling can be done if you read our sticky linked at the top of this section. Cable management just takes time and planning.

3. Window... ummm theres way to make your own window, however i dont like windows on a machine in my bedroom. I hate the bleeding light.

4. Cooling mesh, you can mod and buy your own cooling mesh. Basically its for the vent in the lower section where the radiator is.

5. Airbrush - Ummm no cmment here. You could possibly hier someone.

6. Fans, Theres tons of fan stores, i like jab-tech, my favorate right now is the scythe ultra kaze's on my radiator, and Zalman F3's on my other radiator.

7. O M G 899 britsh poulds for a h2o system? I could build an entire computer with that amount + h2o cooling.

8 PSU. Dont know how the prices go in UK on these guys. But 139 seems about right, i see the 850's for around 179 us dollars.

9. Motherboard. I dont like asus. DFI FTW! if your a newbie ocer, ASUS FTW!

10. CPU. *sigh* not sure about those prices, but in the US you cant beat the frys 179.99 deal on the Q6600.

11. Ram Pick a DDR2 board so you can use cheaper DDR2 Ram. 175 Britsh pounds is rediculous amount to spend on ram right now.

12. Skipping the rest as it doesnt apply

13. 188 britsh pounds in building. OK, wtf does 899 britsh pound include then? the 899 should overlap this fee, and you should only be paying for 1 and not both.

Assume this way, the average h2o kit, and he wont be dropping in the best will cost around 275-350 british pounds. Now your paying well over 1000 BP.

So basically your paying roughly 600-650 BP to build this thing. Okey, im sure you can find someone on the forum who lives near you willing to do all this for either half or less then half of this build price.

14. Okey the free t-shirt wins it! definitely a good buy... ummmm (sacrasm)



Hey op, basically what im trying to tell you straight is never buy a prebuilt h2o cooled computer. Reason is you need to see how it is built, and you need to build it. There are serval things which is required and a prebuilt wont teach you how to do it.

You need to bleed, and you need to run into a problem to see how you trouble shoot it. You need to study the loop so you understand how it works. Buying something out of the box and fill will only bring headaches in the future on you. And when we ask something simple like what block do you have, is it bowed? whats the pump? how is your flow, if you look at me with a lost face, ima throw this pump at you!

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0949.jpg


SORRY i had to do this: Breakdown of the h2o parts with respected prices:

Pumps: Dual loop design
Swiftech MCP655 ~ 69-75 dollars
Swiftech MCP 355 ~ 69 dollars

Siberaian Blastflow, - Super Expensive blocks, but there are better alternatives. x 2 ~ 139.99-159.99 (varies) x 2 <-- this is being expensive

Chipset Blocks: MCW30 x 2 = 22.95 each x 2 ~ 45 dollars

AHHHH MIPS! Uber nice, expensive = 55 dollars.

Cape coolPlex. EK will own it. 79.99

Radiator: They say swiftech, so if we factor the most expensive MCR320, or the most expensive radiator, feser 120x3 @ 169.99 x 2

Liquid coolant innotek? OH GOWD PLEASE... use pentosion, your in UK, goto a JAG dealer.

Nope, doesnt = 899 Britsh Lbs. Not even close. Sorry Vadim your making an insanely hugh profit on this one and he needs to know by how much.

Sorry i pick at every prebuilt build like this. You should of seen me tear up the murder box. :X

If you do buy this, Tell Vadim to avoid alu. If he puts alu in the wetted parts, you REFUSE to buy it. Vadim should know better then to use annodized alu even.

Also he f'd the loop order up, and im suprised he did something this stupid.

The proper loop order should be:

Loop1: Pump -> Rad -> Cpu -> Chipset -> Res
Loop2: Pump -> radiator -> Gpu -> Mosfet 1-> -Mosfet 2 -> Res

Tell me whats the point in putting the cpu and gpu on the same loop in a dual loop config. Whats the point in dual loops then.
 

v8envy

Platinum Member
Sep 7, 2002
2,720
0
0
Wow, aigo, that's completely counterintuitive. I'd expect pump -> cpu -> chipset -> radiator -> res would perform a billion times better. Good thing I inherited my WC setup and didn't try to do it myself by using a Bronco heater core, aquarium pump and homemade blocks like I was planning back in the early 90s. =)

 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |