is tiger woods even human?

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: kranky
Not to take anything away from Tiger, but if you had been taught how to play golf from the time you could walk, and getting to play as often as you wanted, you could probably be pretty good too.

I think golf, bowling, billiards, and some other sports that are heavily reliant on muscle memory could be mastered by many people if they had the opportunity.

really? Maybe I'll teach my son to play golf when he's 3 years old and some day he will become the greatest golfer of all time.

Yeah, you and a few thousand other parents out there...

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Patt
The ball may 'just sit there', but it can be on a flat surface, angled left, right, in a divot, in 4 inches of grass, in 12 inches of grass, in sand.

I think few people would argue that it is not hard to hit a golf ball ... I'd agree. However, it is deadly hard to control exactly where that ball is going to. Anyone who tells you otherwise is obviously not a golfer, and is therefore making ignorant statements about the sport.

And those conditions change the club you use, not the swing. You change your swing and you, supposedly, lose at golf.

Don't play much golf do you?

You change your swing plenty of times depending on the lie, what you want the ball to do. (high, low, draw, cut...is it in deep rough, do you need to pick it cleanly out of the sand or a blast shot...how much spin do you want/need, how much loft....what to you want the ball to do when it lands on the green)

you can go on and on about all the different kinds of shots.

Anyway, glad to see tiger is out of his slump. Although I really thought this was Phil's year, he's showing the old choke mentatlity. At the beginning of the season, Phil WAS the better golfer

 

[ForumMaster]

it'll end though. just like jordan. maybe a little longer since golf that require such a physiqe in all of the body like bball does.

 

[meltdown75]

Yeah... you know what's annoying about Phil though?

That look that is pasted on his face 24/7.

Hi, my name is Phil and I just choked in another major.

Someone just slammed a hammer into my achille's heel.

I just stepped on a rusty nail.

You killed my wife and kids?!

 

[Patt]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Don't play much golf do you?

You change your swing plenty of times depending on the lie, what you want the ball to do. (high, low, draw, cut...is it in deep rough, do you need to pick it cleanly out of the sand or a blast shot...how much spin do you want/need, how much loft....what to you want the ball to do when it lands on the green)

you can go on and on about all the different kinds of shots.

Anyway, glad to see tiger is out of his slump. Although I really thought this was Phil's year, he's showing the old choke mentatlity. At the beginning of the season, Phil WAS the better golfer

I disagree on Phil being the better golfer at the beginning of the year. He was playing better golf, definitely, but Tiger's swing is being built for longevity ... Tiger contends basically every single time, whereas Phil, and the host of other contenders need the different components of their game to click together at the same time to contend.

Phil has taken huge steps in preparing properly, and starting to manage the golf course better, but as Winged Foot (and Medinah) has shown, he has a ways to go yet. I hope he keeps it up though as I love to watch his wedge play, and as a lefty, I can't help but root for him a little bit

 

[Patt]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
Yeah... you know what's annoying about Phil though?

That look that is pasted on his face 24/7.

Hi, my name is Phil and I just choked in another major.

Someone just slammed a hammer into my achille's heel.

I just stepped on a rusty nail.

You killed my wife and kids?!

Best description of Phil I've ever read, hands down :beer:

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Thraxen
LOL @ the people acting like Kranky's statement is false. WTF? Sure, I doubt a majority of people could be as good as Tiger, but obviously playing golf since you could walk has had a major role in how good he is today. To think otherwise is simple asinine. And, yes, much of it is muscle memory.. wtf is wrong with you people?

Kranky's statement makes it sound like anyone can be like tiger if they practice a lot and/or start at a young age. but this is simply not true. If this is true, why cant other players beat him? Sergio and Phil both start at a very young age, and they even come from well off families.

Can anyone be as good as MJ or gretsky by just simply practising and create "muscle memory"? The answer is no, these people have great talent combined with great work and dedication.

MJ = basketball and Gretzky = hockey, two sports I never mentioned. Completely different scenario. You missed my point.

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Thraxen
LOL @ the people acting like Kranky's statement is false. WTF? Sure, I doubt a majority of people could be as good as Tiger, but obviously playing golf since you could walk has had a major role in how good he is today. To think otherwise is simple asinine. And, yes, much of it is muscle memory.. wtf is wrong with you people?

Kranky's statement makes it sound like anyone can be like tiger if they practice a lot and/or start at a young age. but this is simply not true. If this is true, why cant other players beat him? Sergio and Phil both start at a very young age, and they even come from well off families.

Can anyone be as good as MJ or gretsky by just simply practising and create "muscle memory"? The answer is no, these people have great talent combined with great work and dedication.

MJ = basketball and Gretzky = hockey, two sports I never mentioned. Completely different scenario. You missed my point.

so basically you are saying that golf is not a real sport, or not as much as a sport as basketball and hockey is. Trying playing sometime. It is easy to knock a sport where you never played before. It might seem easy but in fact its NOT. Some people say golf is harder than baseball, because in baseball you react to the ball coming at you, but in golf the ball just stays there defying you NOT to lose it

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: spidey07

Don't play much golf do you?

You change your swing plenty of times depending on the lie, what you want the ball to do. (high, low, draw, cut...is it in deep rough, do you need to pick it cleanly out of the sand or a blast shot...how much spin do you want/need, how much loft....what to you want the ball to do when it lands on the green)

you can go on and on about all the different kinds of shots.

Anyway, glad to see tiger is out of his slump. Although I really thought this was Phil's year, he's showing the old choke mentatlity. At the beginning of the season, Phil WAS the better golfer

I disagree on Phil being the better golfer at the beginning of the year. He was playing better golf, definitely, but Tiger's swing is being built for longevity ... Tiger contends basically every single time, whereas Phil, and the host of other contenders need the different components of their game to click together at the same time to contend.

Phil has taken huge steps in preparing properly, and starting to manage the golf course better, but as Winged Foot (and Medinah) has shown, he has a ways to go yet. I hope he keeps it up though as I love to watch his wedge play, and as a lefty, I can't help but root for him a little bit

and the fact tiger had his father's health on the back of his mind.
I would say earl's death probably had a good effect on tiger's golf game. It is some sort of a final release for him, since now he can stop worrying what his father's health situation is, and can just simply focus on winning tournamets.

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Thraxen
LOL @ the people acting like Kranky's statement is false. WTF? Sure, I doubt a majority of people could be as good as Tiger, but obviously playing golf since you could walk has had a major role in how good he is today. To think otherwise is simple asinine. And, yes, much of it is muscle memory.. wtf is wrong with you people?

Kranky's statement makes it sound like anyone can be like tiger if they practice a lot and/or start at a young age. but this is simply not true. If this is true, why cant other players beat him? Sergio and Phil both start at a very young age, and they even come from well off families.

Can anyone be as good as MJ or gretsky by just simply practising and create "muscle memory"? The answer is no, these people have great talent combined with great work and dedication.

MJ = basketball and Gretzky = hockey, two sports I never mentioned. Completely different scenario. You missed my point.

so basically you are saying that golf is not a real sport, or not as much as a sport as basketball and hockey is. Trying playing sometime. It is easy to knock a sport where you never played before. It might seem easy but in fact its NOT. Some people say golf is harder than baseball, because in baseball you react to the ball coming at you, but in golf the ball just stays there defying you NOT to lose it

WTH are you people so defensive about? I NEVER said ONE FRIGGIN' WORD about the "worthiness" of golf as a sport. I am not saying golf is easy. I am not comparing the sacred G-word to baseball. I AM TALKING ABOUT SPORTS THAT REQUIRE MUSCLE MEMORY as the key to being successful - sports like golf, bowling, and billiards. I am saying that many people could excel at such sports if they started young and could devote their lives to it.

For crying out loud, I haven't seen people so defensive since the time someone posted that Jessica Alba wasn't the most beautiful creature ever to walk the earth.

 

[spidey07]

Kranky, ever sport out there relies on muscle memory as a primary key to success.

that's the purpose of doing drills - to reinforce muscle memory.

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Thraxen
LOL @ the people acting like Kranky's statement is false. WTF? Sure, I doubt a majority of people could be as good as Tiger, but obviously playing golf since you could walk has had a major role in how good he is today. To think otherwise is simple asinine. And, yes, much of it is muscle memory.. wtf is wrong with you people?

Kranky's statement makes it sound like anyone can be like tiger if they practice a lot and/or start at a young age. but this is simply not true. If this is true, why cant other players beat him? Sergio and Phil both start at a very young age, and they even come from well off families.

Can anyone be as good as MJ or gretsky by just simply practising and create "muscle memory"? The answer is no, these people have great talent combined with great work and dedication.

MJ = basketball and Gretzky = hockey, two sports I never mentioned. Completely different scenario. You missed my point.

so basically you are saying that golf is not a real sport, or not as much as a sport as basketball and hockey is. Trying playing sometime. It is easy to knock a sport where you never played before. It might seem easy but in fact its NOT. Some people say golf is harder than baseball, because in baseball you react to the ball coming at you, but in golf the ball just stays there defying you NOT to lose it

WTH are you people so defensive about? I NEVER said ONE FRIGGIN' WORD about the "worthiness" of golf as a sport. I am not saying golf is easy. I am not comparing the sacred G-word to baseball. I AM TALKING ABOUT SPORTS THAT REQUIRE MUSCLE MEMORY as the key to being successful - sports like golf, bowling, and billiards. I am saying that many people could excel at such sports if they started young and could devote their lives to it.

For crying out loud, I haven't seen people so defensive since the time someone posted that Jessica Alba wasn't the most beautiful creature ever to walk the earth.

who the hell is being defensive? I am trying to point out flaws in your stupid comment. Tell me this, how is baseball then different from golf in terms of muscle memory? There is no muscle memory in baseball? How is basketball, no muscle memory there? Hockey? ALL sports have muscle memories.
Your first comment made it like golf is not a real sport since it is only "muscle memory" and anyone can be good at it by just practising.. lol that argument is friggin stupid.

 

[kranky]

I surrender. Apparently I am not articulating my position clearly enough.

 

[Lloyd Braun]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Thraxen
LOL @ the people acting like Kranky's statement is false. WTF? Sure, I doubt a majority of people could be as good as Tiger, but obviously playing golf since you could walk has had a major role in how good he is today. To think otherwise is simple asinine. And, yes, much of it is muscle memory.. wtf is wrong with you people?

Kranky's statement makes it sound like anyone can be like tiger if they practice a lot and/or start at a young age. but this is simply not true. If this is true, why cant other players beat him? Sergio and Phil both start at a very young age, and they even come from well off families.

Can anyone be as good as MJ or gretsky by just simply practising and create "muscle memory"? The answer is no, these people have great talent combined with great work and dedication.

MJ = basketball and Gretzky = hockey, two sports I never mentioned. Completely different scenario. You missed my point.

so basically you are saying that golf is not a real sport, or not as much as a sport as basketball and hockey is. Trying playing sometime. It is easy to knock a sport where you never played before. It might seem easy but in fact its NOT. Some people say golf is harder than baseball, because in baseball you react to the ball coming at you, but in golf the ball just stays there defying you NOT to lose it

WTH are you people so defensive about? I NEVER said ONE FRIGGIN' WORD about the "worthiness" of golf as a sport. I am not saying golf is easy. I am not comparing the sacred G-word to baseball. I AM TALKING ABOUT SPORTS THAT REQUIRE MUSCLE MEMORY as the key to being successful - sports like golf, bowling, and billiards. I am saying that many people could excel at such sports if they started young and could devote their lives to it.

For crying out loud, I haven't seen people so defensive since the time someone posted that Jessica Alba wasn't the most beautiful creature ever to walk the earth.

who the hell is being defensive? I am trying to point out flaws in your stupid comment. Tell me this, how is baseball then different from golf in terms of muscle memory? There is no muscle memory in baseball? How is basketball, no muscle memory there? Hockey? ALL sports have muscle memories.
Your first comment made it like golf is not a real sport since it is only "muscle memory" and anyone can be good at it by just practising.. lol that argument is friggin stupid.

Heh, I don't post here much but something like this BEGS to be educated. Golf is so low on the totem poll of profession sports that it's somewhere between Curling and Shot Putting.

The thing is, you're not competing against other people directly. No defense, technically no offense, no reliance on split-second thinking, no fear of injury from pushing your physical ability to the limit... I could go on and on but the point is Golf IS a game where practice CAN make you the greatest player ever, and do you know why? Because golf balls DON'T practice and golf balls CAN'T play defense against whoever is hitting it. Meaning all you have to focus on is hitting a ball the same way you have for years and years and years, and the only thing that changes is the location of it

And please, the golfer isn't "up against the course" either, you judge and strategize beforehand about how you want to play the fairway, or how you want to get past a big bunker at the dogleg left, but that's all mental preparation and has nothing to do with competition.

Kranky is more correct with his statement then you think, but I'm sure the Tiger fanbois on here will debate anytthing that makes him sound human.

 

[Patt]

Originally posted by: Lloyd Braun

Heh, I don't post here much but something like this BEGS to be educated. Golf is so low on the totem poll of profession sports that it's somewhere between Curling and Shot Putting.

The thing is, you're not competing against other people directly. No defense, technically no offense, no reliance on split-second thinking, no fear of injury from pushing your physical ability to the limit... I could go on and on but the point is Golf IS a game where practice CAN make you the greatest player ever, and do you know why? Because golf balls DON'T practice and golf balls CAN'T play defense against whoever is hitting it. Meaning all you have to focus on is hitting a ball the same way you have for years and years and years, and the only thing that changes is the location of it

And please, the golfer isn't "up against the course" either, you judge and strategize beforehand about how you want to play the fairway, or how you want to get past a big bunker at the dogleg left, but that's all mental preparation and has nothing to do with competition.

Kranky is more correct with his statement then you think, but I'm sure the Tiger fanbois on here will debate anytthing that makes him sound human.

Perfect, an uneducated person educating those of us reading the thread :roll:

You still have to outperform everyone else, your argument about the balls not practicing is logically flawed. You can strategize all you want, but unless conditions allow, and you can do exactly what you want with the ball every time. If you can do that, you're a better golfer than I, hell, you're a better golfer than Tiger.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Patt
Perfect, an uneducated person educating those of us reading the thread :roll:

You still have to outperform everyone else, your argument about the balls not practicing is logically flawed. You can strategize all you want, but unless conditions allow, and you can do exactly what you want with the ball every time. If you can do that, you're a better golfer than I, hell, you're a better golfer than Tiger.

Not only that, but how about the fact that the course and greens change over the course of the day and between days?

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Lloyd Braun

Heh, I don't post here much but something like this BEGS to be educated. Golf is so low on the totem poll of profession sports that it's somewhere between Curling and Shot Putting.

The thing is, you're not competing against other people directly. No defense, technically no offense, no reliance on split-second thinking, no fear of injury from pushing your physical ability to the limit... I could go on and on but the point is Golf IS a game where practice CAN make you the greatest player ever, and do you know why? Because golf balls DON'T practice and golf balls CAN'T play defense against whoever is hitting it. Meaning all you have to focus on is hitting a ball the same way you have for years and years and years, and the only thing that changes is the location of it
And please, the golfer isn't "up against the course" either, you judge and strategize beforehand about how you want to play the fairway, or how you want to get past a big bunker at the dogleg left, but that's all mental preparation and has nothing to do with competition.

Kranky is more correct with his statement then you think, but I'm sure the Tiger fanbois on here will debate anytthing that makes him sound human.

lol lol lol if I use ur logic then baseball is just like golf

seriously people should stop commenting on sports that they know NOTHING about. yes in usual stroke play golf usually it is the player vs the course, but then you have to beat everyone else. There is a lot of strategy involved depending on how the course situation/other player dictates. Back in shinnecok making pars was key, so players play conservatively and only attack on certain holes. In Medinah, the course played easier because the rain softened up the greens, so the players can stick it close (thus the low scores) causing the players to be a bit more aggresive. When tiger made the turn on the back nine on Sunday, he just aimed at the center of the green and try to make easy pars, because he knew that if he make pars he would win it easily.

On top of this stroke play is not the only aspect in golf, there is also match play where you compete directly with another person. Tiger is also godlike in match play tournaments. I am not a Tiger fanboy by any means, I am just pointing out that he is truly a great golfer and a great SPORTS figure, yes golf IS a sport

I bolded your statement above. That statement is truly moronic. You dont think other players int he PGA tour practice MORE than tiger does? There are hundreds of players in the pga tour, and at least ten or more players practice MORE than tiger does (vijay singh comes to mind) but why are there no players that can beat tiger? Is it because of Tiger's raw talents, thats why

 

[Patt]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

why are there no players that can beat tiger? Is it because of Tiger's raw talents, thats why

And because his mental game is so far beyond what anyone else posesses.

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: z0mb13

why are there no players that can beat tiger? Is it because of Tiger's raw talents, thats why

And because his mental game is so far beyond what anyone else posesses.

that too.. and also because of hit hot swedish wife

 

[Patt]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: z0mb13

why are there no players that can beat tiger? Is it because of Tiger's raw talents, thats why

And because his mental game is so far beyond what anyone else posesses.

that too.. and also because of hit hot swedish wife

Oh that is a whole different game ... he does well in that game too

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: z0mb13

why are there no players that can beat tiger? Is it because of Tiger's raw talents, thats why

And because his mental game is so far beyond what anyone else posesses.

that too.. and also because of hit hot swedish wife

hmm.. I think that would be more of a distraction... unless he only gets laid after he wins a tourny.. i guess that would explain alot

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Lloyd Braun

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Thraxen
LOL @ the people acting like Kranky's statement is false. WTF? Sure, I doubt a majority of people could be as good as Tiger, but obviously playing golf since you could walk has had a major role in how good he is today. To think otherwise is simple asinine. And, yes, much of it is muscle memory.. wtf is wrong with you people?

Kranky's statement makes it sound like anyone can be like tiger if they practice a lot and/or start at a young age. but this is simply not true. If this is true, why cant other players beat him? Sergio and Phil both start at a very young age, and they even come from well off families.

Can anyone be as good as MJ or gretsky by just simply practising and create "muscle memory"? The answer is no, these people have great talent combined with great work and dedication.

MJ = basketball and Gretzky = hockey, two sports I never mentioned. Completely different scenario. You missed my point.

so basically you are saying that golf is not a real sport, or not as much as a sport as basketball and hockey is. Trying playing sometime. It is easy to knock a sport where you never played before. It might seem easy but in fact its NOT. Some people say golf is harder than baseball, because in baseball you react to the ball coming at you, but in golf the ball just stays there defying you NOT to lose it

WTH are you people so defensive about? I NEVER said ONE FRIGGIN' WORD about the "worthiness" of golf as a sport. I am not saying golf is easy. I am not comparing the sacred G-word to baseball. I AM TALKING ABOUT SPORTS THAT REQUIRE MUSCLE MEMORY as the key to being successful - sports like golf, bowling, and billiards. I am saying that many people could excel at such sports if they started young and could devote their lives to it.

For crying out loud, I haven't seen people so defensive since the time someone posted that Jessica Alba wasn't the most beautiful creature ever to walk the earth.

who the hell is being defensive? I am trying to point out flaws in your stupid comment. Tell me this, how is baseball then different from golf in terms of muscle memory? There is no muscle memory in baseball? How is basketball, no muscle memory there? Hockey? ALL sports have muscle memories.
Your first comment made it like golf is not a real sport since it is only "muscle memory" and anyone can be good at it by just practising.. lol that argument is friggin stupid.

Heh, I don't post here much but something like this BEGS to be educated. Golf is so low on the totem poll of profession sports that it's somewhere between Curling and Shot Putting.

The thing is, you're not competing against other people directly. No defense, technically no offense, no reliance on split-second thinking, no fear of injury from pushing your physical ability to the limit... I could go on and on but the point is Golf IS a game where practice CAN make you the greatest player ever, and do you know why? Because golf balls DON'T practice and golf balls CAN'T play defense against whoever is hitting it. Meaning all you have to focus on is hitting a ball the same way you have for years and years and years, and the only thing that changes is the location of it

And please, the golfer isn't "up against the course" either, you judge and strategize beforehand about how you want to play the fairway, or how you want to get past a big bunker at the dogleg left, but that's all mental preparation and has nothing to do with competition.

Kranky is more correct with his statement then you think, but I'm sure the Tiger fanbois on here will debate anytthing that makes him sound human.

Wow. Aside from the lack of golf expertise shown here, there's a complete fundamental lack of understanding about what professional competition is all about.

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: z0mb13

why are there no players that can beat tiger? Is it because of Tiger's raw talents, thats why

And because his mental game is so far beyond what anyone else posesses.

that too.. and also because of hit hot swedish wife

Oh that is a whole different game ... he does well in that game too

hole in one every time?

 

[Patt]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: z0mb13

why are there no players that can beat tiger? Is it because of Tiger's raw talents, thats why

And because his mental game is so far beyond what anyone else posesses.

that too.. and also because of hit hot swedish wife

Oh that is a whole different game ... he does well in that game too

hole in one every time?

<Tiger>Honey, let's play the back nine tonight ... </Tiger>

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: z0mb13

why are there no players that can beat tiger? Is it because of Tiger's raw talents, thats why

And because his mental game is so far beyond what anyone else posesses.

that too.. and also because of hit hot swedish wife

Oh that is a whole different game ... he does well in that game too

hole in one every time?

<Tiger>Honey, let's play the back nine tonight ... </Tiger>

LOL :laugh: