It's a two way street

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sandorski
As far as Mods arguing an Issue with Members then turning around at some point and begin Modding those they are arguing with, BS. Mods don't Mod threads they are involved in as Members.

You're dilusional.

post proof

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sandorski
As far as Mods arguing an Issue with Members then turning around at some point and begin Modding those they are arguing with, BS. Mods don't Mod threads they are involved in as Members.

You're dilusional.

post proof

You're not worth the effort to go drudging through 3 other forums, looking up bitch-threads going back years old, just to find links back to P&N.

You want proof, you can dig it up yourself or find someone else to.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sandorski
As far as Mods arguing an Issue with Members then turning around at some point and begin Modding those they are arguing with, BS. Mods don't Mod threads they are involved in as Members.

You're dilusional.

post proof

You're not worth the effort to go drudging through 3 other forums, looking up bitch-threads going back years old, just to find links back to P&N.

You want proof, you can dig it up yourself or find someone else to.

What happened in the Past is in the Past.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sandorski
As far as Mods arguing an Issue with Members then turning around at some point and begin Modding those they are arguing with, BS. Mods don't Mod threads they are involved in as Members.

You're dilusional.

post proof

You're not worth the effort to go drudging through 3 other forums, looking up bitch-threads going back years old, just to find links back to P&N.

You want proof, you can dig it up yourself or find someone else to.

What happened in the Past is in the Past.

I agree, but don't think you're solving anything or disproving anything. Maybe you should ask the person making the claim for proof instead of me.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Greenman
You all need to understand that being a mod is either about having power over others or status, there are the very rare few that just want to help out, but those tend to stay in the background. With that understood it's obvious that being a mod isn't all that much fun if you don't get to wield your "power", that leads to annoyed users, and can only be controlled by other mods or the site owner. We've seen how well that works.
The other huge problem is the idea that mods can post as regular members or mods. It's total bullshit. The two can't be separated, the line is far too broad and fuzzy. IMO that leads to a all sorts of problems with mods arguing with members, then putting on their mod hat and showing them the door. I've seen several examples of this in P&N.

On the plus side bitching about the problem is tons of fun!

The Mods used to post as Members without issue. That's because who the Mods were was a secret. The only difference we have now is that Mods are clearly identified.

As far as Mods arguing an Issue with Members then turning around at some point and begin Modding those they are arguing with, BS. Mods don't Mod threads they are involved in as Members.

This might be true in theory and sounds like a great idea, but usually it's these threads that get more attention from other mods. A lot of mod vs members arguing threads aren't usually the nice ones and then the result is other mods come in it's an easy clean up procedure. I think it's worth considering that these threads are easier to get attention from other mods. I know if I was a mod and I was having a bunch of members jump me in a manner I consider unfair, I'd make damn sure to get a friend-mod to crack down if I'm not allowed to moderate. When it's the other way around, all we get to do is cry here and get a locked thread and get laughed at.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sandorski
As far as Mods arguing an Issue with Members then turning around at some point and begin Modding those they are arguing with, BS. Mods don't Mod threads they are involved in as Members.

You're dilusional.

post proof

You're not worth the effort to go drudging through 3 other forums, looking up bitch-threads going back years old, just to find links back to P&N.

You want proof, you can dig it up yourself or find someone else to.

What happened in the Past is in the Past.

I agree, but don't think you're solving anything or disproving anything. Maybe you should ask the person making the claim for proof instead of me.

point taken

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Greenman
You all need to understand that being a mod is either about having power over others or status, there are the very rare few that just want to help out, but those tend to stay in the background. With that understood it's obvious that being a mod isn't all that much fun if you don't get to wield your "power", that leads to annoyed users, and can only be controlled by other mods or the site owner. We've seen how well that works.
The other huge problem is the idea that mods can post as regular members or mods. It's total bullshit. The two can't be separated, the line is far too broad and fuzzy. IMO that leads to a all sorts of problems with mods arguing with members, then putting on their mod hat and showing them the door. I've seen several examples of this in P&N.

On the plus side bitching about the problem is tons of fun!

The Mods used to post as Members without issue. That's because who the Mods were was a secret. The only difference we have now is that Mods are clearly identified.

As far as Mods arguing an Issue with Members then turning around at some point and begin Modding those they are arguing with, BS. Mods don't Mod threads they are involved in as Members.

This might be true in theory and sounds like a great idea, but usually it's these threads that get more attention from other mods. A lot of mod vs members arguing threads aren't usually the nice ones and then the result is other mods come in it's an easy clean up procedure. I think it's worth considering that these threads are easier to get attention from other mods. I know if I was a mod and I was having a bunch of members jump me in a manner I consider unfair, I'd make damn sure to get a friend-mod to crack down if I'm not allowed to moderate. When it's the other way around, all we get to do is cry here and get a locked thread and get laughed at.

There have been times when other Mods were called into threads, but it wasn't to help a Mod Win an argument, it was because an infraction had occurred and a Mod posting as a Member in a Thread does not Mod in the same thread.

We could go back to anonymous Mods, so no one ever knows who may or may not be Mods. Or we can just get used to knowing and not bring up "Mod" as a sideswipe.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Greenman
You all need to understand that being a mod is either about having power over others or status, there are the very rare few that just want to help out, but those tend to stay in the background. With that understood it's obvious that being a mod isn't all that much fun if you don't get to wield your "power", that leads to annoyed users, and can only be controlled by other mods or the site owner. We've seen how well that works.
The other huge problem is the idea that mods can post as regular members or mods. It's total bullshit. The two can't be separated, the line is far too broad and fuzzy. IMO that leads to a all sorts of problems with mods arguing with members, then putting on their mod hat and showing them the door. I've seen several examples of this in P&N.

On the plus side bitching about the problem is tons of fun!

The Mods used to post as Members without issue. That's because who the Mods were was a secret. The only difference we have now is that Mods are clearly identified.

As far as Mods arguing an Issue with Members then turning around at some point and begin Modding those they are arguing with, BS. Mods don't Mod threads they are involved in as Members.

This might be true in theory and sounds like a great idea, but usually it's these threads that get more attention from other mods. A lot of mod vs members arguing threads aren't usually the nice ones and then the result is other mods come in it's an easy clean up procedure. I think it's worth considering that these threads are easier to get attention from other mods. I know if I was a mod and I was having a bunch of members jump me in a manner I consider unfair, I'd make damn sure to get a friend-mod to crack down if I'm not allowed to moderate. When it's the other way around, all we get to do is cry here and get a locked thread and get laughed at.

There have been times when other Mods were called into threads, but it wasn't to help a Mod Win an argument, it was because an infraction had occurred and a Mod posting as a Member in a Thread does not Mod in the same thread.

We could go back to anonymous Mods, so no one ever knows who may or may not be Mods. Or we can just get used to knowing and not bring up "Mod" as a sideswipe.

Do you think Anonymous Moderation was working well thats why it was removed? No, it was being ABUSED.. There is a reason why nearly no other forums are run that way.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Do you think Anonymous Moderation was working well thats why it was removed? No, it was being ABUSED.. There is a reason why nearly no other forums are run that way.

How would you know, we weren't anonymous by the time you joined. Oh wait:light:

 

[hzl eyed grl]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Do you think Anonymous Moderation was working well thats why it was removed? No, it was being ABUSED.. There is a reason why nearly no other forums are run that way.

How would you know, we weren't anonymous by the time you joined. Oh wait:light:

:laugh:

Originally posted by: SagaLore
I'm a little confused why so many members are becoming whiny babies.

Probably because now the mods are out in the open, which would (maybe) make them seem more approachable because they see them as regular members (that now are mods in the open). Now it's easier to bitch about it because another "member" is now telling them what to do? Just a thought.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: hzl eyed grl

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Do you think Anonymous Moderation was working well thats why it was removed? No, it was being ABUSED.. There is a reason why nearly no other forums are run that way.

How would you know, we weren't anonymous by the time you joined. Oh wait:light:

:laugh:

Originally posted by: SagaLore
I'm a little confused why so many members are becoming whiny babies.

Probably because now the mods are out in the open, which would (maybe) make them seem more approachable because they see them as regular members (that now are mods in the open). Now it's easier to bitch about it because another "member" is now telling them what to do? Just a thought.

You can cuff me and beat me with your "ban stick" anytime :heart:

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Greenman
You all need to understand that being a mod is either about having power over others or status, there are the very rare few that just want to help out, but those tend to stay in the background. With that understood it's obvious that being a mod isn't all that much fun if you don't get to wield your "power", that leads to annoyed users, and can only be controlled by other mods or the site owner. We've seen how well that works.
The other huge problem is the idea that mods can post as regular members or mods. It's total bullshit. The two can't be separated, the line is far too broad and fuzzy. IMO that leads to a all sorts of problems with mods arguing with members, then putting on their mod hat and showing them the door. I've seen several examples of this in P&N.

On the plus side bitching about the problem is tons of fun!

The Mods used to post as Members without issue. That's because who the Mods were was a secret. The only difference we have now is that Mods are clearly identified.

As far as Mods arguing an Issue with Members then turning around at some point and begin Modding those they are arguing with, BS. Mods don't Mod threads they are involved in as Members.

This might be true in theory and sounds like a great idea, but usually it's these threads that get more attention from other mods. A lot of mod vs members arguing threads aren't usually the nice ones and then the result is other mods come in it's an easy clean up procedure. I think it's worth considering that these threads are easier to get attention from other mods. I know if I was a mod and I was having a bunch of members jump me in a manner I consider unfair, I'd make damn sure to get a friend-mod to crack down if I'm not allowed to moderate. When it's the other way around, all we get to do is cry here and get a locked thread and get laughed at.

There have been times when other Mods were called into threads, but it wasn't to help a Mod Win an argument, it was because an infraction had occurred and a Mod posting as a Member in a Thread does not Mod in the same thread.

We could go back to anonymous Mods, so no one ever knows who may or may not be Mods. Or we can just get used to knowing and not bring up "Mod" as a sideswipe.

Do you think Anonymous Moderation was working well thats why it was removed? No, it was being ABUSED.. There is a reason why nearly no other forums are run that way.

Whether or not it was Abused I don't know, but this thread is about Moderation Now and not in the past.

 

[Pulsar]

Originally posted by: sandorski
There have been times when other Mods were called into threads, but it wasn't to help a Mod Win an argument, it was because an infraction had occurred and a Mod posting as a Member in a Thread does not Mod in the same thread.

We could go back to anonymous Mods, so no one ever knows who may or may not be Mods. Or we can just get used to knowing and not bring up "Mod" as a sideswipe.

Yeah, but look at crap like this:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2333046&enterthread=y

Vicious, continual personal attacks, with a second mod in the thread not saying boo about it. Then it continues in PFI, which for most users ends up being a bannable offense.

Now what other mod is going to step up and "fix" that issue?

The rules need to be crystal clear on what is bannable and what is not.

No swearing (I'd love to see this one back in play).
No violence.
No sexism.
No questioning mods.

Then the mods have to be held to a higher standard. Sorry, but when they're allowed to jump into the cesspool (as shown by the link) there's just no way impartial and 'fair' moderation is going to happen.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Pulsar

Originally posted by: sandorski
There have been times when other Mods were called into threads, but it wasn't to help a Mod Win an argument, it was because an infraction had occurred and a Mod posting as a Member in a Thread does not Mod in the same thread.

We could go back to anonymous Mods, so no one ever knows who may or may not be Mods. Or we can just get used to knowing and not bring up "Mod" as a sideswipe.

Yeah, but look at crap like this:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2333046&enterthread=y

Vicious, continual personal attacks, with a second mod in the thread not saying boo about it. Then it continues in PFI, which for most users ends up being a bannable offense.

Now what other mod is going to step up and "fix" that issue?

The rules need to be crystal clear on what is bannable and what is not.

No swearing (I'd love to see this one back in play).
No violence.
No sexism.
No questioning mods.

Then the mods have to be held to a higher standard. Sorry, but when they're allowed to jump into the cesspool (as shown by the link) there's just no way impartial and 'fair' moderation is going to happen.

Says you. FearEverything just likes to whine about things. That's pretty standard in P&N, don't like it, don't venture there.

 

[x-alki]

Originally posted by: Pulsar
Then the mods have to be held to a higher standard. Sorry, but when they're allowed to jump into the cesspool (as shown by the link) there's just no way impartial and 'fair' moderation is going to happen.

Exactly, if a person has the title "moderator" beneath his name, he should be held to higher standards. People see a mod acting like perknose does and assume they can act like that and chances are they will take it further.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: ekrub

Originally posted by: Pulsar
Then the mods have to be held to a higher standard. Sorry, but when they're allowed to jump into the cesspool (as shown by the link) there's just no way impartial and 'fair' moderation is going to happen.

Exactly, if a person has the title "moderator" beneath his name, he should be held to higher standards. People see a mod acting like perknose does and assume they can act like that and chances are they will take it further.

No.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: ekrub

Originally posted by: Pulsar
Then the mods have to be held to a higher standard. Sorry, but when they're allowed to jump into the cesspool (as shown by the link) there's just no way impartial and 'fair' moderation is going to happen.

Exactly, if a person has the title "moderator" beneath his name, he should be held to higher standards. People see a mod acting like perknose does and assume they can act like that and chances are they will take it further.

No.

this

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: ekrub

Originally posted by: Pulsar
Then the mods have to be held to a higher standard. Sorry, but when they're allowed to jump into the cesspool (as shown by the link) there's just no way impartial and 'fair' moderation is going to happen.

Exactly, if a person has the title "moderator" beneath his name, he should be held to higher standards. People see a mod acting like perknose does and assume they can act like that and chances are they will take it further.

No.

this

So how do you solve the problem if normal users get baned for breaking the rules when mods have absolutely no reason to obey them and continue to break them, running willy nilly?

Problem: Infraction
Result: if member, then ban; else do nothing?

 

[LunarRay]

It seems to me that those folks who choose to post (to anyone) using the language of the gutter or ad hominem argument containing what we all would refer to as vile, contemptible language, they should expect response in kind from their peers. A mod posting as a user is a peer and not a mod at that point. When a person starts a thread in an attempt to inflame or uses false premise attached to a factual link they should expect the thread to be locked by a Mod or at the very least be castigated for a blatant attempt to create hostility. I'd delete them if I could. Especially in P&N. In P&N it is all about the Right versus the Left and that becomes heated mainly because both sides see the same events totally opposite. Politics is a hostile environment. At what point does a mod/human say enough here.... They should do that when they feel it has gone too far. That may very well be after a lot of posts have been made.

IF a Mod being a Mod notices a thread with a Mod/user violating a rule it is his job to act. If he can't take appropriate action for what ever reason he should quit being a Moderator. The key here is How does that Mod see it. You may not agree with how he sees it and you have an avenue for remedy. Use it. But never get on a Mod for doing his best to moderate. It just is not fair to anyone. Assume every Mod is doing their best and that every user may break a rule. We are human. But, when you seek justice be sure you are free of 'sin'.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: ekrub

Originally posted by: Pulsar
Then the mods have to be held to a higher standard. Sorry, but when they're allowed to jump into the cesspool (as shown by the link) there's just no way impartial and 'fair' moderation is going to happen.

Exactly, if a person has the title "moderator" beneath his name, he should be held to higher standards. People see a mod acting like perknose does and assume they can act like that and chances are they will take it further.

No.

this

So how do you solve the problem if normal users get baned for breaking the rules when mods have absolutely no reason to obey them and continue to break them, running willy nilly?

Problem: Infraction
Result: if member, then ban; else do nothing?

That's exactly right, and in no way unexpected. This is a privately owned forum, the owner or his appointed managers do as they please, the rest of us do as we're told or get tossed. The odd thing isn't that the system has problems, it's that it works at all.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: ekrub

Originally posted by: Pulsar
Then the mods have to be held to a higher standard. Sorry, but when they're allowed to jump into the cesspool (as shown by the link) there's just no way impartial and 'fair' moderation is going to happen.

Exactly, if a person has the title "moderator" beneath his name, he should be held to higher standards. People see a mod acting like perknose does and assume they can act like that and chances are they will take it further.

No.

this

So how do you solve the problem if normal users get baned for breaking the rules when mods have absolutely no reason to obey them and continue to break them, running willy nilly?

Problem: Infraction
Result: if member, then ban; else do nothing?

Lunaray explains what happens quite well. I'd like to see examples of non-Mod Users getting Banned for these behaviours the Mod-Users are engaged in.

Unfortunately, I'm not worth it/you have none.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: hzl eyed grl

Probably because now the mods are out in the open, which would (maybe) make them seem more approachable because they see them as regular members (that now are mods in the open). Now it's easier to bitch about it because another "member" is now telling them what to do? Just a thought.

But I haven't seen you do anything I had a problem with

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: ekrub

Originally posted by: Pulsar
Then the mods have to be held to a higher standard. Sorry, but when they're allowed to jump into the cesspool (as shown by the link) there's just no way impartial and 'fair' moderation is going to happen.

Exactly, if a person has the title "moderator" beneath his name, he should be held to higher standards. People see a mod acting like perknose does and assume they can act like that and chances are they will take it further.

No.

this

So how do you solve the problem if normal users get baned for breaking the rules when mods have absolutely no reason to obey them and continue to break them, running willy nilly?

Problem: Infraction
Result: if member, then ban; else do nothing?

Lunaray explains what happens quite well. I'd like to see examples of non-Mod Users getting Banned for these behaviours the Mod-Users are engaged in.

Unfortunately, I'm not worth it/you have none.

You need to read this forum more often. Your effort = nil so my effort = nil.

 

[LunarRay]

It is not much fun to play this game of words alone, keep that in mind. The rules are quite simple really and easy to comply with. One cannot be banned for following them but can when they don't. So what is wrong with paying no attention to the comments made to you, if that was the issue, and simply responding to the point the other person is making. If they make no point in your estimation you have nothing to respond to so don't. IF a Mod is posting as a peer of the members he is no different as far as your concerned. So ignore him or that which you find offensive and deal with the thrust of his comment. IF it is ad hominem so what. You can control with great degree of ease only yourself. Stand above it all and enjoy the forums. Don't be tempted to become what bothers you. Let those who'd reduce you play by themselves. Eventually you will enjoy having won the right debate... the one with yourself.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I don`t think it matters at all if your an abuser of the mods or not...I don`t even think it matters. What matters is that you do NOT call a mod out in any way, shape or form.
That is just plain wrong to do so!!

Peace!!

How brown is your nose?