It's a two way street

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
It is interesting that those that seem to complain the loudest are also those that have the longest history of infractions.

As others have stated well over 99% of the membership have no problems; the other 1% should look in the mirror

That is a spurious argument since the main complaint is that people are being punished unfairly/unevenly. Accordingly those who do not have any "infractions" do not have any reason to complain. Like in a hostage situation, you know there is a problem but you do not want to draw attention to yourself for fear of reprisal. In addition, the complaints involve the claim that some of the "infractions" were unfairly punished.

That being said, the real issue has never been addressed by the moderation team: There is a huge moderation team inconsistency problem that is resulting in people not knowing what is allowed and what is not. There are some members who seem to get away with murder while others are on an extremely short leash. (In my case, almost all, if not all, of my "infractions" involve responding to the same member and dealing with the same senior moderator, neither of whom, from what I can tell, have ever been reprimanded for their behavior that has been in clear violation of the Forum Guidelines.)

The members of the moderation team claim that people know the limits and that the trouble-makers get punished when they knowingly push those limits. I am not so sure all the limits are so well defined.

Let me give you some examples:

1. It is OK to call someone a "huge dick" (http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=38&threadid=2322707);

2. It is OK to call someone a "dumbfuck" (http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=75&threadid=2325297 ; http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2324518 );

3. It is OK to call someone a "fucking moron" (http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=75&threadid=2301600 );

4. It is NOT OK to call someone an "ass" (http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=75&threadid=2324991 );


5. It is NOT OK to put "dick" in thread title or sig because it is "profanity" (According to a Senior Moderator. See Rule 6. "Foul language in topic titles, summaries or sigs and excessive foul language is not permitted.");

6. It is OK to put "dick" in thread title (http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2331214 ; http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2324168 ; http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2308431 ; http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2302487 );

7. It is OK to put "shit" in a sig (http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=40&threadid=2330009 )

8. It is OK to put foul language in titles if you do not spell it correctly ( http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2323640 ; http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2331585 )


9. Mods will edit out parts of offensive posts in PFI WITHOUT taking any further public action against the poster (http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=75&threadid=2328896 );

10. Mods will NOT edit out parts of offensive posts in PFI and WILL hand out a VACATION to the poster for such posts (http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=75&threadid=2324112 ).


11. It is NOT OK to start threads about items that may be illegal is some jurisdictions (http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2330090 )

12. It is OK to start threads about items that may be illegal in some jurisdictions (http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=52&threadid=2328728 ; http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2325691 ; http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2324601 ; http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2328752 ; http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2330492 ; http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2330467 )

The moderation team seems very concerned with members who push the limits when, in reality, no one really knows the limits.

The moderation team mantra also seems to be that they can't see every infraction in every thread. There are two problems with that argument:

1. Many of the issues are in threads that moderators have posted in;
2. Even after the issues are pointed out, moderation of the infraction many times does not occur.

As one of the labeled trouble-makers (having just returned from a six-week vacation), I am not asking for special treatment. On the contrary, I am asking simply to be treated like every other member (or, to put it another way, to have every other member treated like me.

Some of the moderation team looks at the members as acting like children. Well, just like children, forum members need consistency (Without consistency, children act out - see a similarity here?). If you read through all the "complaints" you will see that consistency is all that the so-called trouble-makers are asking for.

(I hope this post does not get me perma-banned, but I have been watching, reading and waiting for six weeks to post it.)

MotionMan

First of all there's no reason why you should feel anxious about making this post, if there was going to be any retribution for criticizing the Mods this thread would have been locked a long time ago. Secondly, even if I do look at some of the members action as those of entitled children I'm not going to sanction them for it, I'm a Moderator not somebodies parent. If their childishness disrupts the forum then that's another matter.

You are right though, there needs to be more consistency, the problem is we have over 75 Mods now and no one in charge. With that many Mods there are almost as many opinions about the rules, written and the famous unwritten rules. I do know that your complaints are being heard by those above us and word is they will be addressed, how we do not know.

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
It is interesting that those that seem to complain the loudest are also those that have the longest history of infractions.

As others have stated well over 99% of the membership have no problems; the other 1% should look in the mirror

Because.. Um.. Why would you complain if you were not the victim of unfair moderation, or are too scared to say anything?

Yes, I think you guys are trying to control the content of your audience... Isn't that creepy, dudes?

Of course, some things are just obviously wrong- let's not turn this forum into a place to trade child porn.. But, beyond that, shouldn't trying to control the content of your audience be avoided?

I'm a moderator by profession (i.e. i get paid), and never shape the conversation to my liking - most of my job is the boring task of weeding out spam.. And I don't feel like a bad ass cop for doing this, and I don't feel tough.. You guys are a little too macho for your own good..

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

First of all there's no reason why you should feel anxious about making this post, if there was going to be any retribution for criticizing the Mods this thread would have been locked a long time ago. Secondly, even if I do look at some of the members action as those of entitled children I'm not going to sanction them for it, I'm a Moderator not somebodies parent. If their childishness disrupts the forum then that's another matter.

You are right though, there needs to be more consistency, the problem is we have over 75 Mods now and no one in charge. With that many Mods there are almost as many opinions about the rules, written and the famous unwritten rules. I do know that your complaints are being heard by those above us and word is they will be addressed, how we do not know.

Kudos for admitting there's a problem, you're the first mod to do so.

I completely agree with your assessment, there are too many mods and too many people making decisions.. Some of these people may think drugs, for example, are deplorable, while others toke up while moderating (no judgment either way). Those personal feeling influence decisions. Some mods also are juvenile and just like to flex their vacation power whenever possible.. I don't think it's fair at all.

I think the best moderation is silent moderation. Mods shouldn't have their own "mod style" - they should be invisible. They shouldn't say macho shit, that's juvenile! They shouldn't edit public posts and say "if you do that again I'll vacation you and the people like you!" That becomes a challenge to us rebels.

Is a thread annoying or awful or just stupid? Why not just let it die off on its own? Isn't that how forums work?

Again, I'm not saying you should become a haven for perverts and criminals - delete/ban any posts that attempt to make your forum a vehicle for such criminality.. But beyond that, what's the point?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: swbsam

Because.. Um.. Why would you complain if you were not the victim of unfair moderation, or are too scared to say anything?

Yes, I think you guys are trying to control the content of your audience... Isn't that creepy, dudes?

Of course, some things are just obviously wrong- let's not turn this forum into a place to trade child porn.. But, beyond that, shouldn't trying to control the content of your audience be avoided?

I'm a moderator by profession (i.e. i get paid), and never shape the conversation to my liking - most of my job is the boring task of weeding out spam.. And I don't feel like a bad ass cop for doing this, and I don't feel tough.. You guys are a little too macho for your own good..

What we are is older than the average member and a lot of us have been members since prior to the conversion to Fusetalk. I know that when I became a Moderator I really had to tone down my rhetoric.

I do understand though what you mean about controlling content, a while ago I gave out a vacation to a member who posted a poll about penis size. Now if it would have been the first, second or even third time he had done something like that I probably would have warned him and locked the thread but he had a long history of posting stuff like that and had been warned numerous times.I thought giving him the vacation was warranted. Do you think I was being to much of a tough guy for that action?

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: swbsam

Because.. Um.. Why would you complain if you were not the victim of unfair moderation, or are too scared to say anything?

Yes, I think you guys are trying to control the content of your audience... Isn't that creepy, dudes?

Of course, some things are just obviously wrong- let's not turn this forum into a place to trade child porn.. But, beyond that, shouldn't trying to control the content of your audience be avoided?

I'm a moderator by profession (i.e. i get paid), and never shape the conversation to my liking - most of my job is the boring task of weeding out spam.. And I don't feel like a bad ass cop for doing this, and I don't feel tough.. You guys are a little too macho for your own good..

What we are is older than the average member and a lot of us have been members since prior to the conversion to Fusetalk. I know that when I became a Moderator I really had to tone down my rhetoric.

I do understand though what you mean about controlling content, a while ago I gave out a vacation to a member who posted a poll about penis size. Now if it would have been the first, second or even third time he had done something like that I probably would have warned him and locked the thread but he had a long history of posting stuff like that and had been warned numerous times.I thought giving him the vacation was warranted. Do you think I was being to much of a tough guy for that action?

Why not let stupid threads die on their own? What exactly is the point of getting involved just because one moderator (out of 75) finds something stupid? Let your user base decide what thread is worth while and not by not bumping stupid threads.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: swbsam

Because.. Um.. Why would you complain if you were not the victim of unfair moderation, or are too scared to say anything?

Yes, I think you guys are trying to control the content of your audience... Isn't that creepy, dudes?

Of course, some things are just obviously wrong- let's not turn this forum into a place to trade child porn.. But, beyond that, shouldn't trying to control the content of your audience be avoided?

I'm a moderator by profession (i.e. i get paid), and never shape the conversation to my liking - most of my job is the boring task of weeding out spam.. And I don't feel like a bad ass cop for doing this, and I don't feel tough.. You guys are a little too macho for your own good..

What we are is older than the average member and a lot of us have been members since prior to the conversion to Fusetalk. I know that when I became a Moderator I really had to tone down my rhetoric.

I do understand though what you mean about controlling content, a while ago I gave out a vacation to a member who posted a poll about penis size. Now if it would have been the first, second or even third time he had done something like that I probably would have warned him and locked the thread but he had a long history of posting stuff like that and had been warned numerous times.I thought giving him the vacation was warranted. Do you think I was being to much of a tough guy for that action?

Why not let stupid threads die on their own? What exactly is the point of getting involved just because one moderator (out of 75) finds something stupid? Let your user base decide what thread is worth while and not by not bumping stupid threads.

Kind of like 4Chan?

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: swbsam

Because.. Um.. Why would you complain if you were not the victim of unfair moderation, or are too scared to say anything?

Yes, I think you guys are trying to control the content of your audience... Isn't that creepy, dudes?

Of course, some things are just obviously wrong- let's not turn this forum into a place to trade child porn.. But, beyond that, shouldn't trying to control the content of your audience be avoided?

I'm a moderator by profession (i.e. i get paid), and never shape the conversation to my liking - most of my job is the boring task of weeding out spam.. And I don't feel like a bad ass cop for doing this, and I don't feel tough.. You guys are a little too macho for your own good..

What we are is older than the average member and a lot of us have been members since prior to the conversion to Fusetalk. I know that when I became a Moderator I really had to tone down my rhetoric.

I do understand though what you mean about controlling content, a while ago I gave out a vacation to a member who posted a poll about penis size. Now if it would have been the first, second or even third time he had done something like that I probably would have warned him and locked the thread but he had a long history of posting stuff like that and had been warned numerous times.I thought giving him the vacation was warranted. Do you think I was being to much of a tough guy for that action?

Why not let stupid threads die on their own? What exactly is the point of getting involved just because one moderator (out of 75) finds something stupid? Let your user base decide what thread is worth while and not by not bumping stupid threads.

Kind of like 4Chan?

See, there we go with extremes - stop being so macho You are very aware that there's a middle ground

And here's the kicker - from a marketing/business standpoint, there's no such thread as a "stupid" thread, if people read and comment on them. Sure, he could talk about his balls but, if a huge volume of people log in to the forum, just to call this guy an idiot - well, that's more eyes on your banner ads. Or if it just dies then, well, it just dies.

Let's not go extremes and say "then should we allow people to post naked pictures of the female cast of Lost, just to get more hits?" Actually, sure.. Why not But, really... You know there's a middle ground..

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Kind of like 4Chan?

See, there we go with extremes - stop being so macho You are very aware that there's a middle ground

And posting polls about penis size is middle ground?
I'll tell you this, if Derek had been around I would have asked him first before pulling the trigger.

 

[Crusty]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Kind of like 4Chan?

See, there we go with extremes - stop being so macho You are very aware that there's a middle ground

And posting polls about penis size is middle ground?
I'll tell you this, if Derek had been around I would have asked him first before pulling the trigger.

I think it's been made it pretty clear that Derek is ultimately responsible for the forums and it is pretty obvious he doesn't think that the forums are very important.

Has there been any attempt to get someone else involved who actually cares about the well being of the forums?

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Kind of like 4Chan?

See, there we go with extremes - stop being so macho You are very aware that there's a middle ground

And posting polls about penis size is middle ground?
I'll tell you this, if Derek had been around I would have asked him first before pulling the trigger.

What's actually so terrible about a poll about penis size? I mean, I could read more explicit stuff on nytimes.com..

Personally, I find it stupid, but who am I to judge? Is it ILLEGAL? Is it profane? Did it contain pictures of said penises?

Hell, you guys had a multipage post about some dude being afraid of a spiders for christ's sake

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Kind of like 4Chan?

See, there we go with extremes - stop being so macho You are very aware that there's a middle ground

And posting polls about penis size is middle ground?
I'll tell you this, if Derek had been around I would have asked him first before pulling the trigger.

What's actually so terrible about a poll about penis size? I mean, I could read more explicit stuff on nytimes.com..

Personally, I find it stupid, but who am I to judge? Is it ILLEGAL? Is it profane? Did it contain pictures of said penises?

Hell, you guys had a multipage post about some dude being afraid of a spiders for christ's sake

Then what's next, a poll about the size of a woman's clitorus, the circumference of ones anus?

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Kind of like 4Chan?

See, there we go with extremes - stop being so macho You are very aware that there's a middle ground

And posting polls about penis size is middle ground?
I'll tell you this, if Derek had been around I would have asked him first before pulling the trigger.

What's actually so terrible about a poll about penis size? I mean, I could read more explicit stuff on nytimes.com..

Personally, I find it stupid, but who am I to judge? Is it ILLEGAL? Is it profane? Did it contain pictures of said penises?

Hell, you guys had a multipage post about some dude being afraid of a spiders for christ's sake

Then what's next, a poll about the size of a woman's clitorus, the circumference of ones anus?

So you guys are admitting to being thought police... You're not removing inappropriate content that's definable (illegal, explicit, etc) but, at your whim, deciding what should and shouldn't be posted because you don't want to hear about it?

ALSO: TALKING ABOUT DRUGS is not illegal.. Selling drugs is illegal.. Buying drugs is illegal. Drugs is only one example, but I hope you get my larger point.

 

[Pulsar]

I think ALL the members have to realize that almost non of any of the forum issues we're talking about can be blamed on the mods. They are humans who are doing the best job they can.

The real issue here is the forum rules are not CLEAR. When they are not clear, they cannot be levelly enforced.

Different forums have different rules (which is total crap), and the posters are expected to know the rules of the different forums.

I posted it before, and I'll post it again:

1. Be respectful at all times
2. No profanity
3. No obscenity
4. No posting in the wrong forum
5. No Mod Callouts

Done. You can probably think of one or two more, but the clearer and more straightforward they are, the better. Then you need to apply them across the whole spectrum of forums.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
First of all there's no reason why you should feel anxious about making this post, if there was going to be any retribution for criticizing the Mods this thread would have been locked a long time ago. Secondly, even if I do look at some of the members action as those of entitled children I'm not going to sanction them for it, I'm a Moderator not somebodies parent. If their childishness disrupts the forum then that's another matter.

You are right though, there needs to be more consistency, the problem is we have over 75 Mods now and no one in charge. With that many Mods there are almost as many opinions about the rules, written and the famous unwritten rules. I do know that your complaints are being heard by those above us and word is they will be addressed, how we do not know.

the reason some feel anxious about makeing post is because the real fact that some get banned for such things. Do we need to bring up "change of colture" thread?

the fact there is nobody above you guys is the big issue. Derek is not the guy for the job. I'm sure he is great at what his main job is. But they really need to find someone who is not going to bow down to neither the mods or users.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Kind of like 4Chan?

See, there we go with extremes - stop being so macho You are very aware that there's a middle ground

And posting polls about penis size is middle ground?
I'll tell you this, if Derek had been around I would have asked him first before pulling the trigger.

I think it's been made it pretty clear that Derek is ultimately responsible for the forums and it is pretty obvious he doesn't think that the forums are very important.

Has there been any attempt to get someone else involved who actually cares about the well being of the forums?

Did Derek say he doesn't think they are important?
It's just as obvious to me that he has no problem with the way things are and sees no need to get involved.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Kind of like 4Chan?

See, there we go with extremes - stop being so macho You are very aware that there's a middle ground

And posting polls about penis size is middle ground?
I'll tell you this, if Derek had been around I would have asked him first before pulling the trigger.

What's actually so terrible about a poll about penis size? I mean, I could read more explicit stuff on nytimes.com..

Personally, I find it stupid, but who am I to judge? Is it ILLEGAL? Is it profane? Did it contain pictures of said penises?

Hell, you guys had a multipage post about some dude being afraid of a spiders for christ's sake

Basic cable level?

The tone of our Forums is expected to remain at least at a "basic cable" level. This is just a general yardstick for users and moderators to get an idea of what we expect. Content that crosses this line, as interpreted by our moderators, will be subject to moderation.

 

[Crusty]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Kind of like 4Chan?

See, there we go with extremes - stop being so macho You are very aware that there's a middle ground

And posting polls about penis size is middle ground?
I'll tell you this, if Derek had been around I would have asked him first before pulling the trigger.

I think it's been made it pretty clear that Derek is ultimately responsible for the forums and it is pretty obvious he doesn't think that the forums are very important.

Has there been any attempt to get someone else involved who actually cares about the well being of the forums?

Did Derek say he doesn't think they are important?
It's just as obvious to me that he has no problem with the way things are and sees no need to get involved.

The fact that I've seen from multiple people(mods) that Derek isn't around to answer their questions or help them when needed,t he fact that the security flaws in Fusetalk are still around, and the fact that the VB transition is effectively vaporware at this point speaks for itself.

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Kind of like 4Chan?

See, there we go with extremes - stop being so macho You are very aware that there's a middle ground

And posting polls about penis size is middle ground?
I'll tell you this, if Derek had been around I would have asked him first before pulling the trigger.

What's actually so terrible about a poll about penis size? I mean, I could read more explicit stuff on nytimes.com..

Personally, I find it stupid, but who am I to judge? Is it ILLEGAL? Is it profane? Did it contain pictures of said penises?

Hell, you guys had a multipage post about some dude being afraid of a spiders for christ's sake

Basic cable level?

The tone of our Forums is expected to remain at least at a "basic cable" level. This is just a general yardstick for users and moderators to get an idea of what we expect. Content that crosses this line, as interpreted by our moderators, will be subject to moderation.

They talk about penises all the time on basic cable.. In fact, they should just call Spike "PENIStv"

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: waggy

the reason some feel anxious about makeing post is because the real fact that some get banned for such things. Do we need to bring up "change of colture" thread?

No not the Change of Culture thread!!!!:shocked:

This thread is a perfect example of how you can bring up your complaints as long as you aren't singling out a specific Moderator i.e. a Mod Call out.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: swbsam
TALKING ABOUT DRUGS is not illegal.. Selling drugs is illegal.. Buying drugs is illegal. Drugs is only one example, but I hope you get my larger point.

I totally agree.

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: waggy

the reason some feel anxious about makeing post is because the real fact that some get banned for such things. Do we need to bring up "change of colture" thread?

No not the Change of Culture thread!!!!:shocked:

This thread is a perfect example of how you can bring up your complaints as long as you aren't singling out a specific Moderator i.e. a Mod Call out.

Well, I think that's the problem with mods being known, i.e. posting funny (to them) comments while doing a ban. To me, mods should be invisible - you shouldn't know about a mod's "personality" through his bans (i.e. "Oh oh, mod x is going slam the ban hammer - you know how he is about penis polls!").

I think mods shouldn't be witty with their actions.. or forceful..or "I'm not going to let you make me do more work, i'm not your mom or slave" sorta talk. It's unprofessional and just rubs me the wrong way.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: waggy

the reason some feel anxious about makeing post is because the real fact that some get banned for such things. Do we need to bring up "change of colture" thread?

No not the Change of Culture thread!!!!:shocked:

This thread is a perfect example of how you can bring up your complaints as long as you aren't singling out a specific Moderator i.e. a Mod Call out.

Well, I think that's the problem with mods being known, i.e. posting funny (to them) comments while doing a ban. To me, mods should be invisible - you shouldn't know about a mod's "personality" through his bans (i.e. "Oh oh, mod x is going slam the ban hammer - you know how he is about penis polls!").

I think mods shouldn't be witty with their actions.. or forceful..or "I'm not going to let you make me do more work, i'm not your mom or slave" sorta talk. It's unprofessional and just rubs me the wrong way.

You only get the level of service that you pay for...

The mods here are paid what exactly? their annual salary is how much?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: swbsam
I think mods shouldn't be witty with their actions.. or forceful..or "I'm not going to let you make me do more work, i'm not your mom or slave" sorta talk. It's unprofessional and just rubs me the wrong way.

:roll:
Speaking of personalities, I'm starting to see a trend here with you.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: waggy

the reason some feel anxious about makeing post is because the real fact that some get banned for such things. Do we need to bring up "change of colture" thread?

No not the Change of Culture thread!!!!:shocked:

This thread is a perfect example of how you can bring up your complaints as long as you aren't singling out a specific Moderator i.e. a Mod Call out.

im calling you out! err. we need a phone icon..


but yes it has been a good thread. wish Derek would come in though.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
First of all there's no reason why you should feel anxious about making this post, if there was going to be any retribution for criticizing the Mods this thread would have been locked a long time ago. Secondly, even if I do look at some of the members action as those of entitled children I'm not going to sanction them for it, I'm a Moderator not somebodies parent. If their childishness disrupts the forum then that's another matter.

You are right though, there needs to be more consistency, the problem is we have over 75 Mods now and no one in charge. With that many Mods there are almost as many opinions about the rules, written and the famous unwritten rules. I do know that your complaints are being heard by those above us and word is they will be addressed, how we do not know.

the reason some feel anxious about makeing post is because the real fact that some get banned for such things. Do we need to bring up "change of colture" thread?

the fact there is nobody above you guys is the big issue. Derek is not the guy for the job. I'm sure he is great at what his main job is. But they really need to find someone who is not going to bow down to neither the mods or users.

Judging from posts I read at other forums few feel "anxious" about anything,they post here,in fact they delight in coming here posting stuff calculated to cause uproar they know will lead to issues
so they can them biatch and complain about the evil mods and what a horrible place "over there" is.