It's a two way street

[LunarRay]

The Final word has always been "This forum is owned by Anand. He allows us to use it subject to certain rules. Anand makes the rules."

At the end of the day, that means: The only Right any member can enforce is their individual right to Not use the forums.
Of course, The Owner wishes to operate the forums as close to societal norms as humanly possible.
But, in society the cop, The prosecutor, The judge, the jury and the appellate authority up to the SCOTUS are not the same folks. Derek is the SCOTUS in this case, I'd guess.

The term 'arbitrary and capricious' is a wonderful term that simply means there is an absence of a rational connection between the facts found and the choice made. This is the argument made and will always be made when one compares two events that ought to result in the same determination (Edit: and have not been). Folks will always find that to be a flawed occurrence.

One cannot rationalize with the decision maker because he/she has already (in committee or otherwise) determined what one seeks to debate. It is a done deal. The only remedy to be sought is with our form of SCOTUS. Put the issue on his desk and eventually he'll decide he can't deal with the issues due to time constraints or simply it is a no win scenario or he'll work his tail off to provide equilibrium to the forum. We can let it drop and move on or press the issue, every issue and finally have nothing.

Let the Mod's do what they can do. And let's help them by trying to be a bit more than nice to each other.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: MotionMan
I appreciate that information, DrPizza, thank you. The real issue, then, I guess, is why moderators and certain other members are allowed to get away with murder while regular members are reprimanded or vacationed for the same or lesser actions.

Has a moderator or retired moderator ever been vacationed?

MotionMan

Yes on both counts.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: daw123
My thoughts on the matter.
(3) All decisions are by committee; i.e. a decision cannot be made by a single mod, but by two or ideally three or more mods, whereby a decision can be reached by majority vote. This would be too time-consuming and impractical.

(4) Numerous mods and a single senior mod that oversees and can over-rule any contentious decisions. I suppose this should be Derek, but since he rarely makes an appearance here... well this obviously doesn't work, so who's policing the police???

It seems as if we are supposed to have (4), but we actually have (2).

In addition, a three strike policy or something similar could be implemented, like most people have at work for misconduct, gross misconduct, etc. If a mod breaches the rules that he / she is supposed to be upholding, then he / she has several strikes, before he / she is demoted as a mod. Basically, the mods should abide by the same rules as everyone else.

Since, I don't own this forum I have to and I will abide by this forum's rules, so I'll shut up now.

For what it's worth, a lot of decisions ARE made by committee. A lot of the moderators, even those being accused of being biased, frequently will ask the other moderators for their opinions before taking action. And, moderator actions HAVE been reversed, vacations reduced, etc.

Also, while consistency isn't perfect, what a lot of people seem to not be taking into account is that we take into account a poster's history when deciding on some course of action. If you're constantly helpful to other posters, you might get a little more slack than someone who does nothing but troll and argue all day. If you have a clean slate, we're more likely to give you a break than if you've been vacationed 3 or 4 times in the past year.

I appreciate that information, DrPizza, thank you. The real issue, then, I guess, is why moderators and certain other members are allowed to get away with murder while regular members are reprimanded or vacationed for the same or lesser actions.

Has a moderator or retired moderator ever been vacationed?

MotionMan

I do believe that Red Dawn has caught a vacation or two in his time.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: daw123
My thoughts on the matter.
(3) All decisions are by committee; i.e. a decision cannot be made by a single mod, but by two or ideally three or more mods, whereby a decision can be reached by majority vote. This would be too time-consuming and impractical.

(4) Numerous mods and a single senior mod that oversees and can over-rule any contentious decisions. I suppose this should be Derek, but since he rarely makes an appearance here... well this obviously doesn't work, so who's policing the police???

It seems as if we are supposed to have (4), but we actually have (2).

In addition, a three strike policy or something similar could be implemented, like most people have at work for misconduct, gross misconduct, etc. If a mod breaches the rules that he / she is supposed to be upholding, then he / she has several strikes, before he / she is demoted as a mod. Basically, the mods should abide by the same rules as everyone else.

Since, I don't own this forum I have to and I will abide by this forum's rules, so I'll shut up now.

For what it's worth, a lot of decisions ARE made by committee. A lot of the moderators, even those being accused of being biased, frequently will ask the other moderators for their opinions before taking action. And, moderator actions HAVE been reversed, vacations reduced, etc.

Also, while consistency isn't perfect, what a lot of people seem to not be taking into account is that we take into account a poster's history when deciding on some course of action. If you're constantly helpful to other posters, you might get a little more slack than someone who does nothing but troll and argue all day. If you have a clean slate, we're more likely to give you a break than if you've been vacationed 3 or 4 times in the past year.

I appreciate that information, DrPizza, thank you. The real issue, then, I guess, is why moderators and certain other members are allowed to get away with murder while regular members are reprimanded or vacationed for the same or lesser actions.

Has a moderator or retired moderator ever been vacationed?

MotionMan

I do believe that Red Dawn has caught a vacation or two in his time.

But I read somewhere that senior moderators have pristine clean records.

So, which is it?

MotionMan


By the way, CC did NOT say that "ALL mods have an impeccable record with no bans or vacations." He said that senior mods had clean records WHEN SELECTED to be senior mods. .

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Perknose

 

[Agentbolt]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

I guess referring to me as publically as a subhuman piece of shit publically is not any of the same things you claim I do?

Good guess. Remember, you brought up this subject so don't blame me for replying to it, but since you did, I reserve that particular comment for the subhuman pieces of shit who publicly support acts of TORTURE committed by the Bush administration.

You are one. I've said the same thing about others who have posted similar comments. Actually, that's probably praising anyone who has posted that particular horror too highly, and I make no apologies for saying it. There's a reason why the world has labeled TORTURE as a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. :shocked:

I won't go deeper into it, here. Anyone who really cares to know about who you are and what you believe can search for your posts in P&N.

(Shakes Head).. I guess there is a reason Anand felt the need to put Derek in charge here. Its just too bad he isn't available. But I do thank you for pretty much summing up this entire thread and what people are complaining about in like 2 posts.

You're quite welcome. We aim to please. And thanks for embarrassing yourself further. :beer:

Ugh, see, this is what we're talking about. I wish someone could print a big copy of this conversation, Motionman's damning body of evidence, and some of the other good points that've been made here and show them to Anand or Derek, maybe in hard copy form it'd get their attention.

If I came in here and said "Poster X, you're a subhuman piece of shit, if you don't like it here stop posting. No it's okay for me to call you that, you have a political opinion I don't agree with" I'd be vacationed instantaneously. I'd leave a big Agentbolt-shaped hole in the wall I was run out of here so fast. But, because it's Harvey, nobody blinks an eye or does anything about it.

I don't think Harvey's a bad guy, and I certainly don't think there's some giant conspiracy going on to make sure he can rule the place with an iron fist, but how anyone can see that that comment slide, Derek's still nowhere to be seen, EVERYONE had admitted there's inconsistency in how moderation is performed here, and there's more than just one or two big crybabies in here just looking for something to complain about, and then STILL make the argument that the current moderation system isn't broken... is beyond me.

I'd almost say lock it up at this point. Derek clearly is unaware or doesn't care, the various Mods and members have spoken their piece, and nothing's gonna get resolved at this point.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Also, while consistency isn't perfect, what a lot of people seem to not be taking into account is that we take into account a poster's history when deciding on some course of action. If you're constantly helpful to other posters, you might get a little more slack than someone who does nothing but troll and argue all day. If you have a clean slate, we're more likely to give you a break than if you've been vacationed 3 or 4 times in the past year.

I don't think most of the people are complaining about 'giving people a break' who don't have a record. Its when moderators engage in the same activity that they BAN people for that they themselves engage in.

In this thread alone I've been personally attacked by Harvey who said things that if anyone else would have done first in this thread would probably have gotten them a vacation. Can you honestly say that if I went off on the Obama Administration and attacked Harvey like he did to me that I wouldn't have been AT THE VERY LEAST warned for it? And more than likely BANNED?

Since you've singled Harvey out, I'd like to point out that Harvey has done TONS of work helping members here. Hardly a day goes by that Harvey doesn't track down someone attempting to sell stuff in the For Sale/Trade forum who is attempting to sneak in here under a different name. And, he's fast. He's banned many returning trolls/thiefs before they even get a chance to post here.

Quite frankly, first and foremost, this is a tech site. I personally don't give a shit how much Harvey attacks you in P&N. I couldn't care less. Harvey spends hours here, day after day protecting the members who this site was built for. He's one of the three or four people most responsible for making this site a safe place to buy/sell/trade hardware on the internet. In my book, he gets a pass for all but the worst transgressions, especially since those transgressions don't occur in the technical forums, but rather in an off-shoot of the off-topic forum. When/if he really goes too far, it's discussed in private among the other moderators and himself where we try to get him to tone it down a bit.

What the hell have you ever done that's been beneficial for these forums? You seem to think you're owed the world on a silver platter because you post here. I can't even find an instance of you doing something as trivial as helping some poster with a homework problem.

A brief glance at threads started by you shows that there is a lot of whining in PFI and a lot of posts in P&N. One of the more recent threads from you starts with "suicide attempt", in the form of a link to the article. The first comment from you after "suicide attempt" is a smiley face. I'm not finding much that shows it's worthwhile keeping you as a member of this online community.

I'm not taking the time to search back through my posts right now, but it seems to me that it was *I* who suspected that you were a returning banned member. And, I believe that it was Harvey who kept us from acting on circumstantial evidence, else your ass would have been booted out of here long ago. I take that back. I took the time to search. On Nov 26, 2008 at 9:39PM, I started a thread in the moderators forum. The first person to reply, at 9:56, was Harvey. Note: somehow you were spared being permabanned on the spot back then. I still think it was a mistake.

 

[Agentbolt]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Also, while consistency isn't perfect, what a lot of people seem to not be taking into account is that we take into account a poster's history when deciding on some course of action. If you're constantly helpful to other posters, you might get a little more slack than someone who does nothing but troll and argue all day. If you have a clean slate, we're more likely to give you a break than if you've been vacationed 3 or 4 times in the past year.

I don't think most of the people are complaining about 'giving people a break' who don't have a record. Its when moderators engage in the same activity that they BAN people for that they themselves engage in.

In this thread alone I've been personally attacked by Harvey who said things that if anyone else would have done first in this thread would probably have gotten them a vacation. Can you honestly say that if I went off on the Obama Administration and attacked Harvey like he did to me that I wouldn't have been AT THE VERY LEAST warned for it? And more than likely BANNED?

Since you've singled Harvey out, I'd like to point out that Harvey has done TONS of work helping members here. Hardly a day goes by that Harvey doesn't track down someone attempting to sell stuff in the For Sale/Trade forum who is attempting to sneak in here under a different name. And, he's fast. He's banned many returning trolls/thiefs before they even get a chance to post here.

Quite frankly, first and foremost, this is a tech site. I personally don't give a shit how much Harvey attacks you in P&N. I couldn't care less. Harvey spends hours here, day after day protecting the members who this site was built for. He's one of the three or four people most responsible for making this site a safe place to buy/sell/trade hardware on the internet. In my book, he gets a pass for all but the worst transgressions, especially since those transgressions don't occur in the technical forums, but rather in an off-shoot of the off-topic forum. When/if he really goes too far, it's discussed in private among the other moderators and himself where we try to get him to tone it down a bit.

What the hell have you ever done that's been beneficial for these forums? You seem to think you're owed the world on a silver platter because you post here. I can't even find an instance of you doing something as trivial as helping some poster with a homework problem.

A brief glance at threads started by you shows that there is a lot of whining in PFI and a lot of posts in P&N. One of the more recent threads from you starts with "suicide attempt", in the form of a link to the article. The first comment from you after "suicide attempt" is a smiley face. I'm not finding much that shows it's worthwhile keeping you as a member of this online community.

I'm not taking the time to search back through my posts right now, but it seems to me that it was *I* who suspected that you were a returning banned member. And, I believe that it was Harvey who kept us from acting on circumstantial evidence, else your ass would have been booted out of here long ago. I take that back. I took the time to search. On Nov 26, 2008 at 9:39PM, I started a thread in the moderators forum. The first person to reply, at 9:56, was Harvey. Note: somehow you were spared being permabanned on the spot back then. I still think it was a mistake.

Okay, fine, so your argument isn't so much that Harvey doesn't occasionally cross the line into banning territory for the rest of us, it's that he's special and above the rules when it comes to the off-topic stuff.

I doubt Derek or Anand would agree with the sentiment, but you have to admit it'd cut down on the whining and force people to crap or get off the pot if you guys would just admit that some moderators are to some extent above the law around here.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Okay, fine, so your argument isn't so much that Harvey doesn't occasionally cross the line into banning territory for the rest of us, it's that he's special and above the rules when it comes to the off-topic stuff.

I doubt Derek or Anand would agree with the sentiment, but you have to admit it'd cut down on the whining and force people to crap or get off the pot if you guys would just admit that some moderators are to some extent above the law around here.

No. The point is that we don't have automatic punishments for infractions. Each is taken on a case by case basis. I've sent PM's to dozens upon dozens of others who have, to various degrees, stepped over the line, asking them more or less to tone it down a bit. Those posters who receive little more than a short, polite PM from me, are typically people who are beneficial to this community.

When a significant portion of someone's posts consist of trolling & inflammatory remarks, and those users have a history of stepping over the line, I do not extend them the same courtesy. i.e. if a poster is a pain in the ass around here, I look forward to the week or two without them posting. If a poster is pleasant and helpful to others, I'll generally overlook any borderline offenses.

 

[Agentbolt]

Fair enough. My point still stands that if any non-moderator came in here, and pretty much unprovoked called another poster a subhuman piece of shit, they wouldn't get a polite PM from anyone. They'd get vacationed so fast their head would spin.

 

[newnameman]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Since you've singled Harvey out, I'd like to point out that Harvey has done TONS of work helping members here. Hardly a day goes by that Harvey doesn't track down someone attempting to sell stuff in the For Sale/Trade forum who is attempting to sneak in here under a different name. And, he's fast. He's banned many returning trolls/thiefs before they even get a chance to post here.

Quite frankly, first and foremost, this is a tech site. I personally don't give a shit how much Harvey attacks you in P&N. I couldn't care less. Harvey spends hours here, day after day protecting the members who this site was built for. He's one of the three or four people most responsible for making this site a safe place to buy/sell/trade hardware on the internet. In my book, he gets a pass for all but the worst transgressions, especially since those transgressions don't occur in the technical forums, but rather in an off-shoot of the off-topic forum. When/if he really goes too far, it's discussed in private among the other moderators and himself where we try to get him to tone it down a bit.

What the hell have you ever done that's been beneficial for these forums? You seem to think you're owed the world on a silver platter because you post here. I can't even find an instance of you doing something as trivial as helping some poster with a homework problem.

A brief glance at threads started by you shows that there is a lot of whining in PFI and a lot of posts in P&N. One of the more recent threads from you starts with "suicide attempt", in the form of a link to the article. The first comment from you after "suicide attempt" is a smiley face. I'm not finding much that shows it's worthwhile keeping you as a member of this online community.

I'm not taking the time to search back through my posts right now, but it seems to me that it was *I* who suspected that you were a returning banned member. And, I believe that it was Harvey who kept us from acting on circumstantial evidence, else your ass would have been booted out of here long ago. I take that back. I took the time to search. On Nov 26, 2008 at 9:39PM, I started a thread in the moderators forum. The first person to reply, at 9:56, was Harvey. Note: somehow you were spared being permabanned on the spot back then. I still think it was a mistake.

Well, at least one of the moderators has finally admitted it.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Since you've singled Harvey out, I'd like to point out that Harvey has done TONS of work helping members here. Hardly a day goes by that Harvey doesn't track down someone attempting to sell stuff in the For Sale/Trade forum who is attempting to sneak in here under a different name. And, he's fast. He's banned many returning trolls/thiefs before they even get a chance to post here.

Quite frankly, first and foremost, this is a tech site. I personally don't give a shit how much Harvey attacks you in P&N. I couldn't care less. Harvey spends hours here, day after day protecting the members who this site was built for. He's one of the three or four people most responsible for making this site a safe place to buy/sell/trade hardware on the internet. In my book, he gets a pass for all but the worst transgressions, especially since those transgressions don't occur in the technical forums, but rather in an off-shoot of the off-topic forum. When/if he really goes too far, it's discussed in private among the other moderators and himself where we try to get him to tone it down a bit.

What the hell have you ever done that's been beneficial for these forums? You seem to think you're owed the world on a silver platter because you post here. I can't even find an instance of you doing something as trivial as helping some poster with a homework problem.

A brief glance at threads started by you shows that there is a lot of whining in PFI and a lot of posts in P&N. One of the more recent threads from you starts with "suicide attempt", in the form of a link to the article. The first comment from you after "suicide attempt" is a smiley face. I'm not finding much that shows it's worthwhile keeping you as a member of this online community.

I'm not taking the time to search back through my posts right now, but it seems to me that it was *I* who suspected that you were a returning banned member. And, I believe that it was Harvey who kept us from acting on circumstantial evidence, else your ass would have been booted out of here long ago. I take that back. I took the time to search. On Nov 26, 2008 at 9:39PM, I started a thread in the moderators forum. The first person to reply, at 9:56, was Harvey. Note: somehow you were spared being permabanned on the spot back then. I still think it was a mistake.

Well, at least one of the moderators has finally admitted it.

I reading through just what was posted here, I shudder to think what he has to do to get his pass revoked.

I am just saying...

MotionMan

 

[Fear No Evil]

Quite frankly, first and foremost, this is a tech site. I personally don't give a shit how much Harvey attacks you in P&N. I couldn't care less.

I see 435251 topics listed in the 'Social' catagory of this forum. And 307535 in the 'Hardware in Technology'. The facts seem to dispute your conclusion. But lets not let facts get in the way here.

What the hell have you ever done that's been beneficial for these forums? You seem to think you're owed the world on a silver platter because you post here.

I think I am owed the world on a silver platter because I expect the moderators to abide by the forum rules? Thats a pretty interesting leap in logic. I think someone has blinders on here and refuses to accept reality.

One of the more recent threads from you starts with "suicide attempt", in the form of a link to the article. The first comment from you after "suicide attempt" is a smiley face. I'm not finding much that shows it's worthwhile keeping you as a member of this online community.

Are you reading the same forums as I am? WTF are you talking about? I can't remember ANY posts I've made in regard to 'suicide'. Maybe I was in a drunk or something but I have NO clue what you are referring to here.

Its certainly interesting that once again this thread has turned away from the topic and has moved to attacking the members that post in it.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

One of the more recent threads from you starts with "suicide attempt", in the form of a link to the article. The first comment from you after "suicide attempt" is a smiley face. I'm not finding much that shows it's worthwhile keeping you as a member of this online community.

Are you reading the same forums as I am? WTF are you talking about? I can't remember ANY posts I've made in regard to 'suicide'. Maybe I was in a drunk or something but I have NO clue what you are referring to here.

Sorry, dude, but he's right.

Its certainly interesting that once again this thread has turned away from the topic and has moved to attacking the members that post in it.

Yeah, let's stay on topic.

MotionMan

 

[Format C:]

"All pigs were created equal, but some Pigs are more equal than others."

That about sums it up. Yall can lock 'er up now.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

I guess referring to me as publically as a subhuman piece of shit publically is not any of the same things you claim I do?

Good guess. Remember, you brought up this subject so don't blame me for replying to it, but since you did, I reserve that particular comment for the subhuman pieces of shit who publicly support acts of TORTURE committed by the Bush administration.

You are one. I've said the same thing about others who have posted similar comments. Actually, that's probably praising anyone who has posted that particular horror too highly, and I make no apologies for saying it. There's a reason why the world has labeled TORTURE as a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. :shocked:

I won't go deeper into it, here. Anyone who really cares to know about who you are and what you believe can search for your posts in P&N.

You can't even post in a PFI thread without bringing politics and personal attacks into it, yet we're supposed to believe you don't moderate in a biased fashion? LOL.

You can't even post in PFI without reading a post before opening your mouth to change feet. Fear No Evil raised the issue that I called him a "subhuman piece of shit," not me. But since he did, and I don't deny doing so, explaining the circumstances of doing so is in order. Consider:

1. What I called him when posting under my own acccount has nothing to do or post as "Senior AnandTech Moderator," from the OP.
   
2. As noted, I have called several members a "subhuman piece of shit" for precisely one reason, they have posted to support the Bush administration's use of TORTURE.

As noted, there's a reason why the world has labeled TORTURE as a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. If you aren't one of those who has posted to support the Bush Administrations' crimes against humanity, this doesn't apply to you.

If you happen to be one of those who has posted to support the Bush Administrations' crimes against humanity, I hope I got around to calling you a "subhuman piece of shit," as well. If not, I hope you get the picture, and you're properly offended, now.

In any case, I don't apologize to anyone for having posted calling anyone who has supported their crimes against humanity a "subhuman piece of shit." If you have a problem with that, it's your problem.

If you have a problem with the fact that it's even part of this discussion, remember, I didn't bring it up. You can piss and moan to Fear No Evil for raising the issue in the first place.

Ignoring the obvious Jurassic period sized bone you have to pick with FNE, you have made personal attacks in a forum which states that the very same is verboten ON THE SUBTITLE. I got banned for calling someone a dick in OT for threatening to run over a cyclist and got a ban. The problem isn't the ban, it's the fact that as a poster, not a mod, you and others get to pretty much shit all over the place and wait for someone to wipe your ass.

This is nothing personal, I think you're alright, I'm just pointing at the Elephant in the room.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: daw123
My thoughts on the matter.
(3) All decisions are by committee; i.e. a decision cannot be made by a single mod, but by two or ideally three or more mods, whereby a decision can be reached by majority vote. This would be too time-consuming and impractical.

(4) Numerous mods and a single senior mod that oversees and can over-rule any contentious decisions. I suppose this should be Derek, but since he rarely makes an appearance here... well this obviously doesn't work, so who's policing the police???

It seems as if we are supposed to have (4), but we actually have (2).

In addition, a three strike policy or something similar could be implemented, like most people have at work for misconduct, gross misconduct, etc. If a mod breaches the rules that he / she is supposed to be upholding, then he / she has several strikes, before he / she is demoted as a mod. Basically, the mods should abide by the same rules as everyone else.

Since, I don't own this forum I have to and I will abide by this forum's rules, so I'll shut up now.

For what it's worth, a lot of decisions ARE made by committee. A lot of the moderators, even those being accused of being biased, frequently will ask the other moderators for their opinions before taking action. And, moderator actions HAVE been reversed, vacations reduced, etc.

Also, while consistency isn't perfect, what a lot of people seem to not be taking into account is that we take into account a poster's history when deciding on some course of action. If you're constantly helpful to other posters, you might get a little more slack than someone who does nothing but troll and argue all day. If you have a clean slate, we're more likely to give you a break than if you've been vacationed 3 or 4 times in the past year.

I appreciate that information, DrPizza, thank you. The real issue, then, I guess, is why moderators and certain other members are allowed to get away with murder while regular members are reprimanded or vacationed for the same or lesser actions.

Has a moderator or retired moderator ever been vacationed?

MotionMan

I do believe that Red Dawn has caught a vacation or two in his time.

Well that's odd. CC mentioned recently to me in a PFI thread that ALL mods have an impeccable record with no bans or vacations. Some of the mods in this place pull facts out of their ass so fast that when they post it it's still at body temperature.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Well that's odd. CC mentioned recently to me in a PFI thread that ALL mods have an impeccable record with no bans or vacations. Some of the mods in this place pull facts out of their ass so fast that when they post it it's still at body temperature.

I got a week back in 2001 for a comment about another members grandmother that I thought was funny but Russ felt was over the line. CC wasn't a Mod back then so he wouldn't have known about it and FT didn't yet have the feature to makes notes in members profiles.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Since you've singled Harvey out, I'd like to point out that Harvey has done TONS of work helping members here. Hardly a day goes by that Harvey doesn't track down someone attempting to sell stuff in the For Sale/Trade forum who is attempting to sneak in here under a different name. And, he's fast. He's banned many returning trolls/thiefs before they even get a chance to post here.

Quite frankly, first and foremost, this is a tech site. I personally don't give a shit how much Harvey attacks you in P&N. I couldn't care less. Harvey spends hours here, day after day protecting the members who this site was built for. He's one of the three or four people most responsible for making this site a safe place to buy/sell/trade hardware on the internet. In my book, he gets a pass for all but the worst transgressions, especially since those transgressions don't occur in the technical forums, but rather in an off-shoot of the off-topic forum. When/if he really goes too far, it's discussed in private among the other moderators and himself where we try to get him to tone it down a bit.

What the hell have you ever done that's been beneficial for these forums? You seem to think you're owed the world on a silver platter because you post here. I can't even find an instance of you doing something as trivial as helping some poster with a homework problem.

A brief glance at threads started by you shows that there is a lot of whining in PFI and a lot of posts in P&N. One of the more recent threads from you starts with "suicide attempt", in the form of a link to the article. The first comment from you after "suicide attempt" is a smiley face. I'm not finding much that shows it's worthwhile keeping you as a member of this online community.

I'm not taking the time to search back through my posts right now, but it seems to me that it was *I* who suspected that you were a returning banned member. And, I believe that it was Harvey who kept us from acting on circumstantial evidence, else your ass would have been booted out of here long ago. I take that back. I took the time to search. On Nov 26, 2008 at 9:39PM, I started a thread in the moderators forum. The first person to reply, at 9:56, was Harvey. Note: somehow you were spared being permabanned on the spot back then. I still think it was a mistake.

Well, at least one of the moderators has finally admitted it.

What it is is that Harvey's to valuable to the forums for his work, that's why he gets a free pass from Derek. Your complaint shouldn't be with us as we have no authority over him and we never have, before Derek took over Harvey was our Boss. At this time the only persons who has authority over us is Derek and Anand. Sure we can read each other the riot act if we think one of us has stepped over the line and common sense would tell you this does happen but in the end the only individuals that can sanction another Senior Moderator is Derek or Anand

BTW Dr Pizza speaks for himself, not the Senior Mods as a whole just like I'm speaking for myself and not others.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Well that's odd. CC mentioned recently to me in a PFI thread that ALL mods have an impeccable record with no bans or vacations. Some of the mods in this place pull facts out of their ass so fast that when they post it it's still at body temperature.

I got a week back in 2001 for a comment about another members grandmother that I thought was funny but Russ felt was over the line. CC wasn't a Mod back then so he wouldn't have known about it and FT didn't yet have the feature to makes notes in members profiles.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea that a mod has 'been there', makes them more real, more likely to understand and the high horse just that little more difficult to ride...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I got a week back in 2001 for a comment about another members grandmother that I thought was funny but Russ felt was over the line. CC wasn't a Mod back then so he wouldn't have known about it and FT didn't yet have the feature to makes notes in members profiles.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea that a mod has 'been there', makes them more real, more likely to understand and the high horse just that little more difficult to ride...

You should have been a member here prior to FT, especially in the late 90's, made TFNN look like Romper Room.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I got a week back in 2001 for a comment about another members grandmother that I thought was funny but Russ felt was over the line. CC wasn't a Mod back then so he wouldn't have known about it and FT didn't yet have the feature to makes notes in members profiles.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea that a mod has 'been there', makes them more real, more likely to understand and the high horse just that little more difficult to ride...

You should have been a member here prior to FT, especially in the late 90's, made TFNN look like Romper Room.

Didn't need to build a new rig until mid 2001 and the Athlon was hitting 1.5Ghz on the right cores. I needed to understand which cores I needed and AT seemed to have the people who could help. I used to be prolific in CPU and even got tapped up to write for one of the split off forums.

I think I would have liked it, prior.

 

[allisolm]

I think this thread has pretty much run its course. Everyone who wishes to has gotten to express an opinion and maybe Derek or Anand will read it.

For now, try to do as Common Courtesy suggests. Treat everybody with respect and courtesy and you won't have to worry about the rules. That IS what the vast majority of folks here do. The only member whose behavior you can control is you.

By the way, CC did NOT say that "ALL mods have an impeccable record with no bans or vacations." He said that senior mods had clean records WHEN SELECTED to be senior mods. .

Sr Moderator allisolm