Its already happening.

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I won't be happy until top end cards cost $399 again like they used to.

Actually, I remember the days when they were 299 for the top end... Actually, 199 before that... LOL, funny how it kept going up over the years. If I recall correctly, the Geforce 1 was 249, and the Geforce 2 Gts was 299 with the Ultra coming out a few months later at 399. Then I remember the TNT2's going for 149... Crazy times... I am wondering when these cards are going to run in the $1,000 to be honest. If it were just a chip, I am sure they would be cheaper. But you have to think of it like buying a CPU + RAM + Motherboard in a certain, since the graphics card is a Chip + Ram + Board.

Actually the Ultra was $500 almost till the very day the Geforce 3 was announced. The geforce 1 may have been 249 but the DDR one was over 300 and the 64MB DDR version was about $450. So honestly with some gens being a little cheaper then others Prices for top single cards have only fluctuated a bit. But now we have a wide variety of different performers to choose from, before we went from eithr better then everyone or sucked and couldn't play a thing. Now you can make a consious decision to cut out a frame or two for $100 less or a quater the performance for less then half the price. Trust me we as consumers are in a much better possition then we have been in the past.

Infact I think the cheapest I saw of a Nividia highend was the TNT2 Ultra which was about $250 but that was when they were considered worse then 3dfx, ATI , and Matrox. They needed marketshare and they needed it fast.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: pibrahim
Agree about the XT refences; while it would be nice to have a sensible discussion over the pricing of cards, it'll inevitably just descend into ATI/nVidia bashing, so can just focus on the best GTX prices...

I saw the PNY deal and was very tempted - getting below MSRP on launch day is pretty impressive. But are PNY really that bad? There's also a Leadtek at $529 - again, not a company I'm familiar with.

Are they that much worse than eVGA/BFG/XFX..?

Please post the link to the Leadtek if you get a chance. Leadtek is actually a very good manufacturer in fact they were the first people to use the Quadro on a retail card. They sold a GTX 256 with it on it. The problem with them is all support is international and I believe hey only have a three year warranty.

PNY hatred is kind of old but since they stopped try to be the top supplier of Nvidia cards geeks (including myself) aren't placed in a position to think about buying their products again. As one of a handful of quadro suppliers though I really really doubt their is anything wrong with any of their products.

Agreed.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Why are you so scared about people seeing comparatively priced ATI cards? If you truly care about them not wasting money, then you shouldn't have a problem with seeing what price the competition's cards are offered at.

A XT costs the same but is slower.

The 7900GTX competes against the XTX which on average costs about $80 more.

So don't waste your money on a 1900 is what you are saying.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I won't be happy until top end cards cost $399 again like they used to.

Actually, I remember the days when they were 299 for the top end... Actually, 199 before that... LOL, funny how it kept going up over the years. If I recall correctly, the Geforce 1 was 249, and the Geforce 2 Gts was 299 with the Ultra coming out a few months later at 399. Then I remember the TNT2's going for 149... Crazy times... I am wondering when these cards are going to run in the $1,000 to be honest. If it were just a chip, I am sure they would be cheaper. But you have to think of it like buying a CPU + RAM + Motherboard in a certain, since the graphics card is a Chip + Ram + Board.

Actually the Ultra was $500 almost till the very day the Geforce 3 was announced. The geforce 1 may have been 249 but the DDR one was over 300 and the 64MB DDR version was about $450. So honestly with some gens being a little cheaper then others Prices for top single cards have only fluctuated a bit. But now we have a wide variety of different performers to choose from, before we went from eithr better then everyone or sucked and couldn't play a thing. Now you can make a consious decision to cut out a frame or two for $100 less or a quater the performance for less then half the price. Trust me we as consumers are in a much better possition then we have been in the past.

Infact I think the cheapest I saw of a Nividia highend was the TNT2 Ultra which was about $250 but that was when they were considered worse then 3dfx, ATI , and Matrox. They needed marketshare and they needed it fast.

Either my memory is wrong, or yours is... Because I never recall the Geforce 2 Ultra ever going to $500. Additionally, I purchased my Geforce 1 DDR for 249 @ CompUSA and my GeForce 2 GTS for 299 @ CompUSA. The TNT prices I could be wrong on, but I remember having the regular version of it for $179. It was a creative card, IIRC. I wonder if a google search would give any results from way back then.

 

[Jazzatola]

For those in the UK the cheapest I've found so far is Overclockers.co.uk. Those pre-overclocked XFX cards look pretty good.

Not many etailers are showing them over here yet though.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I won't be happy until top end cards cost $399 again like they used to.

Actually, I remember the days when they were 299 for the top end... Actually, 199 before that... LOL, funny how it kept going up over the years. If I recall correctly, the Geforce 1 was 249, and the Geforce 2 Gts was 299 with the Ultra coming out a few months later at 399. Then I remember the TNT2's going for 149... Crazy times... I am wondering when these cards are going to run in the $1,000 to be honest. If it were just a chip, I am sure they would be cheaper. But you have to think of it like buying a CPU + RAM + Motherboard in a certain, since the graphics card is a Chip + Ram + Board.

Actually the Ultra was $500 almost till the very day the Geforce 3 was announced. The geforce 1 may have been 249 but the DDR one was over 300 and the 64MB DDR version was about $450. So honestly with some gens being a little cheaper then others Prices for top single cards have only fluctuated a bit. But now we have a wide variety of different performers to choose from, before we went from eithr better then everyone or sucked and couldn't play a thing. Now you can make a consious decision to cut out a frame or two for $100 less or a quater the performance for less then half the price. Trust me we as consumers are in a much better possition then we have been in the past.

Infact I think the cheapest I saw of a Nividia highend was the TNT2 Ultra which was about $250 but that was when they were considered worse then 3dfx, ATI , and Matrox. They needed marketshare and they needed it fast.

Either my memory is wrong, or yours is... Because I never recall the Geforce 2 Ultra ever going to $500. Additionally, I purchased my Geforce 1 DDR for 249 @ CompUSA and my GeForce 2 GTS for 299 @ CompUSA. The TNT prices I could be wrong on, but I remember having the regular version of it for $179. It was a creative card, IIRC. I wonder if a google search would give any results from way back then.

Your GTS prices seem right, I am telling you that at least in the retail market the Ultra started and ended life at $500. I remember That so many were stolen from BB and Compusa that BB decided since it never moved unless you counted thiefery and that said 5 finger dicount was so rampant, they pretty much stopped carring anything above 400. Which I think had an impact on GF3 and GF4 pricing. The next time they did was the 9800XT. IT looks like the Geforce DDR was priced $350 at release but competition brought it down to 300 with a few the creative being the most generic at 250-290. Your right about the TNT2 but the Ultra was much more expensive. But most importantly people keep forgeting the Geforce 256 DDR 64MB which was well over $400.

Infact only recently has the price left the 400-500 mark.
Even the Voodoo at $300 required a seperate 2d card (which Matrocx sold lots of cards this way) which usually dependant on manufacturer people payed 75-100 for a decent one. Same with the Voodoo2.

Oh and Google did wonders for the Geforce DDR but I didn't look at the TNT2 since we both are pretty close in price.

 

[DigitalFreak]

Well, I purchased 2 of the PNY 7900GTX boards. Will post if I have any problems with them. I just couldn't see paying an extra $80 ($40x2) for the eVGA, when I'll never take advantage of the step-up program. Wasn't sure about Leadtek.

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Why are you so scared about people seeing comparatively priced ATI cards? If you truly care about them not wasting money, then you shouldn't have a problem with seeing what price the competition's cards are offered at.

Like most choices in life, each card has it's pro/cons.

Personally I'm glad to see the FEAR AA driver bug worked out, and these cards driving down the cost of this level of performance. We all win with this.

People considering the X1900XTXs would do well to consider these reports of very high fan noise I came across the other day on Rage3d, the ATI site:
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33846783

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: the Chase
Wow- it's a great time to be a PC gamer. Cards are pretty close in performance with prices falling at historically low levels already. Now bring on some new games!!

yeah i wont be touching my graphics cards untill theres a game thats actually worth playing

fear, D3,FC,HL2,Q4,SC i only played once...and will never play again, just way to damn boring

 

[pibrahim]

Topweasel - the Leadtek one for $529 is at Newegg.

I've actually made a spreadsheet comparing the prices at various stores for the 5 XFX cards, the eVGAs, BFG, Leadtek and PNY (yes, I was bored). If anyone is thinking of getting the card and can't be arsed to compare prices, let me know and I'll e-mail it you.

For what its worth, I'm very happy - just ordered an XFX card from Newegg for the same price, $529. But, its faster than the Leadtek, its one of the Extreme ones - 675 core, 1700 memory! It's in the middle of their range of 5 cards, but 1700mhz memory is good enough for me... and it was $559 earlier this morning too.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: x80064

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Gotta feel sorry for the schmucks that took Rollo's advice last month and bought 512 GTX's at $750+ BTW this price is about in line with what a retail X1900 XT costs.

Or this one...even better....... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102003

Please stay On topic. If you want to talk about compairable pricing then create your own thread. I hate to see a thread get derailed and while I know most peoples instincts on video is get in ATI vs. Nvidia debate. I don't want to see this here. If you want to talk about the quality of this manufacturer go ahead. If you see another 7900GTX below MSRP then please state it. But right now people are interested in getting a 7900GTX and I want to help them aviod paying $130 extra if they don't want to.

get used to it, since the AEG fiasco....ATI zealots pretty much gate crash any nvidia thread and nothing gets done about it. (which is also why i posted CPU info in this forum...i know for a fact it wont even get a look in by the mods.) its a shame but thats how things swing around here. dont expect a NV oriented thread not to get the "treatment" by the usual suspects

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
to bad its PNY . . .

Absolutely no problems with PNY from my experience (GeForce 3, 6800GT & 2x 7800GT) which is more than I can say for my RETURNED BFG 6800GT.


@joker

rofl, no bad experiences with PNY for many years with their Cards OR their Customer Service. This is coming from a PNY Customer so you can take that from Experienced Use of PNY Cards.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: x80064

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Gotta feel sorry for the schmucks that took Rollo's advice last month and bought 512 GTX's at $750+ BTW this price is about in line with what a retail X1900 XT costs.

Or this one...even better....... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102003

Please stay On topic. If you want to talk about compairable pricing then create your own thread. I hate to see a thread get derailed and while I know most peoples instincts on video is get in ATI vs. Nvidia debate. I don't want to see this here. If you want to talk about the quality of this manufacturer go ahead. If you see another 7900GTX below MSRP then please state it. But right now people are interested in getting a 7900GTX and I want to help them aviod paying $130 extra if they don't want to.

get used to it, since the AEG fiasco....ATI zealots pretty much gate crash any nvidia thread and nothing gets done about it. (which is also why i posted CPU info in this forum...i know for a fact it wont even get a look in by the mods.) its a shame but thats how things swing around here. dont expect a NV oriented thread not to get the "treatment" by the usual suspects

2nd that! its been out of control.

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
to bad its PNY . . .

Absolutely no problems with PNY from my experience (GeForce 3, 6800GT & 2x 7800GT) which is more than I can say for my RETURNED BFG 6800GT.


@joker

rofl, no bad experiences with PNY for many years with their Cards OR their Customer Service. This is coming from a PNY Customer so you can take that from Experienced Use of PNY Cards.

I've owned 3-4 PNY GeForces as well, no problems here.

It's like anything else, you get a bad one, you complain online. Most people get good ones and don't post "works as expected".

 

[nib95]

Originally posted by: Jazzatola
For those in the UK the cheapest I've found so far is Overclockers.co.uk. Those pre-overclocked XFX cards look pretty good.

Not many etailers are showing them over here yet though.

Overclockers UK are a rip off right now.
There are cheaper places.

I just picked up two 7900 GT's for £450

 

[RobertR1]

This is good news! If you're an nvidia fan and want a 7800GTX, go for it.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
This is good news! If you're an nvidia fan and want a 7800GTX, go for it.

Do you mean 7900GTX. Because I looked at prices (always looking to by an SLI mate fore my 7800GTX) and they are still priced way to high specially with the $300 compairable if not faster 7900GT out.

 

[Topweasel]

For Lifetime Warranty People there is a EVGA on Zipzoomfly for 499.99

 

[pibrahim]

Refreshing lack of price gouging going on!

MSRP ($499) cards:
PNY @ Newegg
eVGA @ ZZF
Leadtek @ ZZF
MSI @ ZZF
PNY @ TigerDirect
PNY @ Monarch (less than MSRP!).

Of course, there are a few stupid prices:

MSI @ mwave is $799 (and its stock speeds). lol. eVGA's cards are both over $750 there too.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: pibrahim
Refreshing lack of price gouging going on!

MSRP ($499) cards:
PNY @ Newegg
eVGA @ ZZF
Leadtek @ ZZF
MSI @ ZZF
PNY @ TigerDirect
PNY @ Monarch (less than MSRP!).

Of course, there are a few stupid prices:

MSI @ mwave is $799 (and its stock speeds). lol. eVGA's cards are both over $750 there too.

Thats because they (mwave) forgot to lower the price after their semi early release price guaging. Why I say semi, is a I doubt the ship more then a couple of these cards if any before release. Most people who ordered these probably paid for quickservice today rather then early hands on.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: Jazzatola
For those in the UK the cheapest I've found so far is Overclockers.co.uk. Those pre-overclocked XFX cards look pretty good.

Not many etailers are showing them over here yet though.

Overclockers UK are a rip off right now.
There are cheaper places.

I just picked up two 7900 GT's for £450

agreed

they do, however, usually have the best selection on everything

scan have some good stuff for good prices, but i feel they are sorely lacking in the large TFT arena OCUK seem to have excellent selection for every component. usually their higher prices are cancelled out by having to pay multiple shipping from several "cheaper" sites.

only really applies to buying lots of things though. if i were building a computer id rather pay a little more and have everything sent in one box than, save on a few items but pay for 3-4 lots of shipping

 

[JBT]

My PNY 6800 GT that I had was sweet after they changed thier warrently from a fake lifetime to a 3 year with registration.
I had no problem with it at all... It ran at over Ultra OC speeds just fine for along time. The guy I traded it to for the X800XT still says its running like a champ.

 

[pibrahim]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Thats because they (mwave) forgot to lower the price after their semi early release price guaging. Why I say semi, is a I doubt the ship more then a couple of these cards if any before release. Most people who ordered these probably paid for quickservice today rather then early hands on.

It's odd, they've lowered it on some cards; their XFX range is priced (mostly) in line with other retailers. Looks like they only got round to readjusting some of the prices. I'm sure they'll notice after a while when their $800 cards are still sitting in the inventory...

 

[Ackmed]

It is VERY nice to see these prices. This is even better than the 256MB GTX launch, because they are doing both cards at the same time. And light years better than the 512MB GTX launch. Hopefully they will stay out in force, my guess is that they will.

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Why are you so scared about people seeing comparatively priced ATI cards? If you truly care about them not wasting money, then you shouldn't have a problem with seeing what price the competition's cards are offered at.

A XT costs the same but is slower.

The 7900GTX competes against the XTX which on average costs about $80 more.

So don't waste your money on a 1900 is what you are saying.

The XT is cheaper currently than the 7900GTX. Both "win" some of the tests going AT's review. They are within a few frames of each other. Saying one is faster going by AT's scores is pretty silly.

The XTX is more, its also even faster than the XT. Calling it a waste of moeny to buy a XT, or XTX is simply ignorant.

Not to mention, shimmering has finally been addressed. Its not some myth like some NV fans like to believe.

Comparatively, texture crawling is much worse on NVIDIA GPUs than on ATI GPUs from our experience, but rest assured this is a problem that is present in both teams? technologies. I noticed distinctly that moving from a NVIDIA-based GPU to the ATI Radeon X1900 XTX or XL very much reduced this ?shimmering? problem

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTAwMSwxOCwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=

With cards being fairly even, that alone is worth thinking very hard about which way to go, if you're on a big LCD. Which I know you are not...

Both the X1900 and 7900 are very good cards. And I dont think you can really go wrong with either depending on your setup. Saying that one is a "waste of moeny", is simply just showing your ignorance. Both are good, and both have pros and cons. To me, its about as "even" as its been in a long time.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: beggerking
the only thing is it still doesn't do AA+HDR...

I have to demystify a myth also ... team red claims that Series 7 can't handle both HDR and antialiasing at the same time. That's only partly true ... NVIDIA's series 7 product can do so for sure yet they use another method. Here's the issue, G7x hardware does not support multisample antialiasing with fp16 render targets. The G7x series however can support AA with HDR through a variety of other methods, including supersampling, and application specific implementation. Now in more simple terms explained .. NVIDIA does supports multi sampling with HDR when HDR is handled by shaders and (and not by floating point 16 buffer). Some games examples that already do this are Far Cry, HL2 and my favorite game Age of Empires. I tend to believe that ATI's performance will be better though. I have decided to do an articles on this matter over the upcoming weeks.

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