Its already happening.

[solofly]

Originally posted by: pibrahim
MSI @ mwave is $799 (and its stock speeds). lol. eVGA's cards are both over $750 there too.

There's a sucker born everyday...

 

[BenSkywalker]

Either my memory is wrong, or yours is... Because I never recall the Geforce 2 Ultra ever going to $500. Additionally, I purchased my Geforce 1 DDR for 249 @ CompUSA and my GeForce 2 GTS for 299 @ CompUSA. The TNT prices I could be wrong on, but I remember having the regular version of it for $179. It was a creative card, IIRC. I wonder if a google search would give any results from way back then.

The GeForceDDR launched @$299- I picked a Herc model up at launch and paid $319 for it(it was clocked at a whopping 130MHZ versus the rest which were 120- 10MHZ may not sound like much but it was close to 10%- that was the last nV board I purchased). The GeForce2 GTS launched @$299 also, the GeForce2 Pro launched @$399 and the GeForce2 Ultra launched @$499. You can check if you like, but those were the actual launch prices.

Oh yeah- the Obsidian x24 was $600 and that came out prior to the TNT2. $500 for a vid card isn't anything new at all.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Both the X1900 and 7900 are very good cards. And I dont think you can really go wrong with either depending on your setup.

Unless you're going dual in which case SLI > CF as a lot of reviews state.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
The XT is cheaper currently than the 7900GTX. Both "win" some of the tests going AT's review. They are within a few frames of each other. Saying one is faster going by AT's scores is pretty silly.

The XTX is more, its also even faster than the XT. Calling it a waste of moeny to buy a XT, or XTX is simply ignorant.

Keep your troll down. My "waste of money" comment was in response to Joker's comment.

Only in your red colored world would you say a XT competes with a 7900GTX. When most sites show the GTX taking out the XTX and at lower cost/heat and power.

It would be fair to compare the XTX and GTX, but the XT compares more to the GT.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
It is VERY nice to see these prices. This is even better than the 256MB GTX launch, because they are doing both cards at the same time. And light years better than the 512MB GTX launch. Hopefully they will stay out in force, my guess is that they will.

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Why are you so scared about people seeing comparatively priced ATI cards? If you truly care about them not wasting money, then you shouldn't have a problem with seeing what price the competition's cards are offered at.

A XT costs the same but is slower.

The 7900GTX competes against the XTX which on average costs about $80 more.

So don't waste your money on a 1900 is what you are saying.

The XT is cheaper currently than the 7900GTX. Both "win" some of the tests going AT's review. They are within a few frames of each other. Saying one is faster going by AT's scores is pretty silly.

The XTX is more, its also even faster than the XT. Calling it a waste of moeny to buy a XT, or XTX is simply ignorant.

Not to mention, shimmering has finally been addressed. Its not some myth like some NV fans like to believe.

Comparatively, texture crawling is much worse on NVIDIA GPUs than on ATI GPUs from our experience, but rest assured this is a problem that is present in both teams? technologies. I noticed distinctly that moving from a NVIDIA-based GPU to the ATI Radeon X1900 XTX or XL very much reduced this ?shimmering? problem

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTAwMSwxOCwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=

With cards being fairly even, that alone is worth thinking very hard about which way to go, if you're on a big LCD. Which I know you are not...

Both the X1900 and 7900 are very good cards. And I dont think you can really go wrong with either depending on your setup. Saying that one is a "waste of moeny", is simply just showing your ignorance. Both are good, and both have pros and cons. To me, its about as "even" as its been in a long time.

Ackmed Please keep on subject. This thread is about the Pricing of 7900GTX cards and availability, not performance and capabilities. Their are 20 other threads that compaire the two (or three).

 

[5150Joker]

Look what happens to the 7900 GTX with soft shadows enabled: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/09/...same_day_mega_launch_mayhem/page14.htm

FEAR 1600x1200 soft shadows enabled:

X1900 XTX:
with 16x AF: 61 fps
without AF: 62 fps

7900 GTX:
with 16x AF: 38
without AF: 38


Pwned? yes. Can't really depend on the results for a lot of reviews since there is so much variation between the results. One site may show the 7900 GTX leading and in others getting slaughtered. The only decent review I've come across is from Hardware.fr

 

[nib95]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: Jazzatola
For those in the UK the cheapest I've found so far is Overclockers.co.uk. Those pre-overclocked XFX cards look pretty good.

Not many etailers are showing them over here yet though.

Overclockers UK are a rip off right now.
There are cheaper places.

I just picked up two 7900 GT's for £450

agreed

they do, however, usually have the best selection on everything

scan have some good stuff for good prices, but i feel they are sorely lacking in the large TFT arena OCUK seem to have excellent selection for every component. usually their higher prices are cancelled out by having to pay multiple shipping from several "cheaper" sites.

only really applies to buying lots of things though. if i were building a computer id rather pay a little more and have everything sent in one box than, save on a few items but pay for 3-4 lots of shipping

I personally use Ebuyer and Overclockers UK for all my stuff.
Overclockers Uk is cheapest for ATI X1900's at the moment by a fair bit in some cases.
Plus as you rightly mentioned, they easily have the widest selection of enthuisast products. But dabs is currently cheaper for the G71 range.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Both the X1900 and 7900 are very good cards. And I dont think you can really go wrong with either depending on your setup.

Unless you're going dual in which case SLI > CF as a lot of reviews state.

I, and others were talking about single card.

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Ackmed
The XT is cheaper currently than the 7900GTX. Both "win" some of the tests going AT's review. They are within a few frames of each other. Saying one is faster going by AT's scores is pretty silly.

The XTX is more, its also even faster than the XT. Calling it a waste of moeny to buy a XT, or XTX is simply ignorant.

Keep your troll down. My "waste of money" comment was in response to Joker's comment.

Only in your red colored world would you say a XT competes with a 7900GTX. When most sites show the GTX taking out the XTX and at lower cost/heat and power.

It would be fair to compare the XTX and GTX, but the XT compares more to the GT.

I guess AT had red colored glasses as well then, since they show the XT and 7900 GTX neck and neck in most tests, basically making them even. Its pretty funny that you accuse me of being bias, yet belittle ATi in your sig. How hypocritcal of you.

My "troll"? Sorry, that would be you, again. Calling the X1900's a waste of money is just silly. Anyone with common sense can see that.

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: Ackmed
It is VERY nice to see these prices. This is even better than the 256MB GTX launch, because they are doing both cards at the same time. And light years better than the 512MB GTX launch. Hopefully they will stay out in force, my guess is that they will.

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Why are you so scared about people seeing comparatively priced ATI cards? If you truly care about them not wasting money, then you shouldn't have a problem with seeing what price the competition's cards are offered at.

A XT costs the same but is slower.

The 7900GTX competes against the XTX which on average costs about $80 more.

So don't waste your money on a 1900 is what you are saying.

The XT is cheaper currently than the 7900GTX. Both "win" some of the tests going AT's review. They are within a few frames of each other. Saying one is faster going by AT's scores is pretty silly.

The XTX is more, its also even faster than the XT. Calling it a waste of moeny to buy a XT, or XTX is simply ignorant.

Not to mention, shimmering has finally been addressed. Its not some myth like some NV fans like to believe.

Comparatively, texture crawling is much worse on NVIDIA GPUs than on ATI GPUs from our experience, but rest assured this is a problem that is present in both teams? technologies. I noticed distinctly that moving from a NVIDIA-based GPU to the ATI Radeon X1900 XTX or XL very much reduced this ?shimmering? problem

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTAwMSwxOCwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=

With cards being fairly even, that alone is worth thinking very hard about which way to go, if you're on a big LCD. Which I know you are not...

Both the X1900 and 7900 are very good cards. And I dont think you can really go wrong with either depending on your setup. Saying that one is a "waste of moeny", is simply just showing your ignorance. Both are good, and both have pros and cons. To me, its about as "even" as its been in a long time.

Ackmed Please keep on subject. This thread is about the Pricing of 7900GTX cards and availability, not performance and capabilities. Their are 20 other threads that compaire the two (or three).

I responded to posts that were already in here. If people can make CPU topics in the video forums, I can certainly talk about video in the video forums.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Look what happens to the 7900 GTX with soft shadows enabled: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/09/...same_day_mega_launch_mayhem/page14.htm

FEAR 1600x1200 soft shadows enabled:

X1900 XTX:
with 16x AF: 61 fps
without AF: 62 fps

7900 GTX:
with 16x AF: 38
without AF: 38


Pwned? yes.

Sweet Posted it in another thread not this one.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Look what happens to the 7900 GTX with soft shadows enabled:

:roll: Boy Rollo, er Joker you really are trying to rain on this parade. Stick to Rage3D where they are more open to this kind of thing. :roll:

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: beggerking
the only thing is it still doesn't do AA+HDR...

I have to demystify a myth also ... team red claims that Series 7 can't handle both HDR and antialiasing at the same time. That's only partly true ... NVIDIA's series 7 product can do so for sure yet they use another method. Here's the issue, G7x hardware does not support multisample antialiasing with fp16 render targets. The G7x series however can support AA with HDR through a variety of other methods, including supersampling, and application specific implementation. Now in more simple terms explained .. NVIDIA does supports multi sampling with HDR when HDR is handled by shaders and (and not by floating point 16 buffer). Some games examples that already do this are Far Cry, HL2 and my favorite game Age of Empires. I tend to believe that ATI's performance will be better though. I have decided to do an articles on this matter over the upcoming weeks.

Guru3d.com

Agreed.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Both the X1900 and 7900 are very good cards. And I dont think you can really go wrong with either depending on your setup.

Unless you're going dual in which case SLI > CF as a lot of reviews state.

I, and others were talking about single card.

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Ackmed
The XT is cheaper currently than the 7900GTX. Both "win" some of the tests going AT's review. They are within a few frames of each other. Saying one is faster going by AT's scores is pretty silly.

The XTX is more, its also even faster than the XT. Calling it a waste of moeny to buy a XT, or XTX is simply ignorant.

Keep your troll down. My "waste of money" comment was in response to Joker's comment.

Only in your red colored world would you say a XT competes with a 7900GTX. When most sites show the GTX taking out the XTX and at lower cost/heat and power.

It would be fair to compare the XTX and GTX, but the XT compares more to the GT.

I guess AT had red colored glasses as well then, since they show the XT and 7900 GTX neck and neck in most tests, basically making them even. Its pretty funny that you accuse me of being bias, yet belittle ATi in your sig. How hypocritcal of you.

My "troll"? Sorry, that would be you, again. Calling the X1900's a waste of money is just silly. Anyone with common sense can see that.

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: Ackmed
It is VERY nice to see these prices. This is even better than the 256MB GTX launch, because they are doing both cards at the same time. And light years better than the 512MB GTX launch. Hopefully they will stay out in force, my guess is that they will.

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Why are you so scared about people seeing comparatively priced ATI cards? If you truly care about them not wasting money, then you shouldn't have a problem with seeing what price the competition's cards are offered at.

A XT costs the same but is slower.

The 7900GTX competes against the XTX which on average costs about $80 more.

So don't waste your money on a 1900 is what you are saying.

The XT is cheaper currently than the 7900GTX. Both "win" some of the tests going AT's review. They are within a few frames of each other. Saying one is faster going by AT's scores is pretty silly.

The XTX is more, its also even faster than the XT. Calling it a waste of moeny to buy a XT, or XTX is simply ignorant.

Not to mention, shimmering has finally been addressed. Its not some myth like some NV fans like to believe.

Comparatively, texture crawling is much worse on NVIDIA GPUs than on ATI GPUs from our experience, but rest assured this is a problem that is present in both teams? technologies. I noticed distinctly that moving from a NVIDIA-based GPU to the ATI Radeon X1900 XTX or XL very much reduced this ?shimmering? problem

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTAwMSwxOCwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=

With cards being fairly even, that alone is worth thinking very hard about which way to go, if you're on a big LCD. Which I know you are not...

Both the X1900 and 7900 are very good cards. And I dont think you can really go wrong with either depending on your setup. Saying that one is a "waste of moeny", is simply just showing your ignorance. Both are good, and both have pros and cons. To me, its about as "even" as its been in a long time.

Ackmed Please keep on subject. This thread is about the Pricing of 7900GTX cards and availability, not performance and capabilities. Their are 20 other threads that compaire the two (or three).

I responded to posts that were already in here. If people can make CPU topics in the video forums, I can certainly talk about video in the video forums.

You can do what you want. But I have already asked that any compasions benches and such be tossed out. Since this thread was made to be informative about current pricing of 7900GTX and such, and would like people to be able to get this information easily. When this thread gets filled up with these conversations it makes it really hard. So please take this somewhere else. I am not trying to make an example of you and have already asked a couple of people to do the same. So again pretty please take this somewhere else.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Look what happens to the 7900 GTX with soft shadows enabled: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/09/...same_day_mega_launch_mayhem/page14.htm

FEAR 1600x1200 soft shadows enabled:

X1900 XTX:
with 16x AF: 61 fps
without AF: 62 fps

7900 GTX:
with 16x AF: 38
without AF: 38


Pwned? yes.

Yes , lets try all settings until ATI wins. sure, joker, sure..

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: beggerking
the only thing is it still doesn't do AA+HDR...

I have to demystify a myth also ... team red claims that Series 7 can't handle both HDR and antialiasing at the same time. That's only partly true ... NVIDIA's series 7 product can do so for sure yet they use another method. Here's the issue, G7x hardware does not support multisample antialiasing with fp16 render targets. The G7x series however can support AA with HDR through a variety of other methods, including supersampling, and application specific implementation. Now in more simple terms explained .. NVIDIA does supports multi sampling with HDR when HDR is handled by shaders and (and not by floating point 16 buffer). Some games examples that already do this are Far Cry, HL2 and my favorite game Age of Empires. I tend to believe that ATI's performance will be better though. I have decided to do an articles on this matter over the upcoming weeks.

Guru3d.com

Well if you write video articles for Guru3D then they're probably colored in green since you're heavily nV biased. :ismisses future Guru3D articles::

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Look what happens to the 7900 GTX with soft shadows enabled:

:roll: Boy Rollo, er Joker you really are trying to rain on this parade. Stick to Rage3D where they are more open to this kind of thing. :roll:

I'm helping potential 7900/X1900 customers that may visit this thread have a better understanding of what they may be getting.

 

[Topweasel]

For people Looking for a sweet deal on a XFX 7900GT Newegg has one clocked at 520MHz for 309.99

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Look what happens to the 7900 GTX with soft shadows enabled:

:roll: Boy Rollo, er Joker you really are trying to rain on this parade. Stick to Rage3D where they are more open to this kind of thing. :roll:

I'm helping potential 7900/X1900 customers that may visit this thread have a better understanding of what they may be getting.

Please can both of you stop..... I am sure everyone in this thread and any future visitor has been to one of the 40 threads already covering this.

 

[nib95]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Look what happens to the 7900 GTX with soft shadows enabled:

:roll: Boy Rollo, er Joker you really are trying to rain on this parade. Stick to Rage3D where they are more open to this kind of thing. :roll:

Dont shoot the messenger.

It's a valid point he's made.
Thankfully i never enable soft shadows anyway.

But, i'm pretty sure this is just a driver issue.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Look what happens to the 7900 GTX with soft shadows enabled: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/09/...same_day_mega_launch_mayhem/page14.htm

FEAR 1600x1200 soft shadows enabled:

X1900 XTX:
with 16x AF: 61 fps
without AF: 62 fps

7900 GTX:
with 16x AF: 38
without AF: 38


Pwned? yes.

Yes , lets try all settings until ATI wins. sure, joker, sure..

This coming from someone who was posting 1024x768 benchmarks to discuss high end cards, HA!

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Both the X1900 and 7900 are very good cards. And I dont think you can really go wrong with either depending on your setup.

Unless you're going dual in which case SLI > CF as a lot of reviews state.

No sli is one of nv's strong points, but is balanced by their relative weakness in IQ. Many people buy dual cards to bench (nv looks good here), but some buy for superior IQ (ati looks good here). Ati is hot and noisy (likely water cooling would be a must for me), but has better features and everyone seems to agree looks better. This should be one good price war as I don't see a bad choice and am happy to see nv catch up.

 

[Jules]

does the 7900GTX support HDR?

 

[nib95]

Originally posted by: MyStupidMouth
does the 7900GTX support HDR?

It supports everything the other top end cards do.

To the people saying the memory will hurt performance. wont the fact that theres 2 of them help? Because currently theres a big difference between SLI 7900 GT and a single 7900 GTX. The SLI GT set up does alot better.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Both the X1900 and 7900 are very good cards. And I dont think you can really go wrong with either depending on your setup.

Unless you're going dual in which case SLI > CF as a lot of reviews state.

No sli is one of nv's strong points, but is balanced by their relative weakness in IQ. Many people buy dual cards to bench (nv looks good here), but some buy for superior IQ (ati looks good here). Ati is hot and noisy (likely water cooling would be a must for me), but has better features and everyone seems to agree looks better. This should be one good price war as I don't see a bad choice and am happy to see nv catch up.

And non of this is on topic. So As I have asked several people here can both of you two please stay on topic. I don't care if this thread goes to page two because everything about the current 7900 prices and availability has already been covered. I want this to be useful indetermining which 7900 product is a good buy and where, once the person has decided that he would like to purchase one. We have enough threads dedicated to performance features and IQ to keep people up for two days.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
For people Looking for a sweet deal on a XFX 7900GT Newegg has one clocked at 520MHz for 309.99

I can't believe how cheap the 7900GT is. Too bad it's only marginally faster than my setup. I guess it's two 7900GTXs or nothing. lol

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: Topweasel
For people Looking for a sweet deal on a XFX 7900GT Newegg has one clocked at 520MHz for 309.99

I can't believe how cheap the 7900GT is. Too bad it's only marginally faster than my setup. I guess it's two 7900GTXs or nothing. lol

I know what you mean, I wish they would make the 79GT compatible with the 7800GTX since they are for all intents the same thing. I would pickone up to partner my 78GTX in a heartbeat.