Jenny Mccarthy

[Baked]

Mothers Against Vaccine was one of the topics on This American Life a couple weeks ago. Education is doing the exact opposite to people, instead of making people smarter, it's making people dumber, going against common sense, and harming people, especially children.

12.19.2008 - 370: Ruining It for the Rest of Us

Stories of people who ruin things for everyone else...or who are accused of that. Like the San Diego parents who didn't vaccinate their child for measles (pictured at left: measles virus). When their seven-year-old caught the disease on an overseas trip, this decision became a whole community's problem. The outbreak infected 11 children and endangered many others. Also: Comedian Mike Birbiglia singlehandedly ruins a big charity event, and the disquieting truth about Amtrak?s Quiet Car.

Act One. Shots in the Dark.

Measles cases are higher in the U.S. than they've been in a decade, mostly because more and more nervous parents are refusing to vaccinate their kids. Contributing Editor Susan Burton tells the story of what happened recently in San Diego, when an unvaccinated 7-year-old boy returned home from a trip to Switzerland, bringing with him the measles. By the end of the ordeal, 11 other children caught the disease, and more than 60 kids had to be quarantined. (21 minutes)

 

[se7en]

I think this is a clever idea to weed out stupid people and their offspring.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

Its common for the government and large companies to do the math on how expensive it is to go to court compared to how expensive it is to settle. Even if you're going to win if it costs more than settling you just pay it.

that's common for corporations, but NOT the US government.

Yes it is, I know I work for the Fed Gov and do HR type work.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Well I suppose thats what bothers me so much. Being a nurse and all. But its amazing how many of my patients DONT want get a flu or pneumonia(when they qualify for one) and their primary reason is 'vaccines arent safe'

I get sick every time I get a flu shot. I don't get sick when I don't get them. I stopped getting flu shots years ago and haven't had the flu since.

The flu shot doesnt cause you to get the flu... sure you can have a mild illness for a couple days but its more due to the immune response. I got the flu shot every year I was in college and was one of the few people NOT to get the flu whenever it chose to rampage through my dorm

So basically you're agreeing with me. Good. In cases where the patient has a weaker immune system, they may end up with a prolonged illness.

Um, no he's not.

1. It is impossible for the flu shot to cause the flu.

2. The MILD immune response to the dead virus is just that, MILD. It is rare and at WORST a very low grade fever and lasts a day or two. An actual flu infection comes with a high fever and lasts an average of 10 days.

3. The weaker the immune system, the weaker the response to the shot. So as to your last sentence, it is 100% incorrect. People with weakened immune systems are LESS likely to have mild, short duration symptoms after getting the shot than those with strong immune systems.

4. Getting the shot not only protects you, but those around you. The people you infect could very well have weakened immune systems and die from a flu infection.

As for the effectiveness? Yes, some years they predict incorrectly, but those are in the minority. Last year was a bad year and the shot was largely ineffective. This year is a good year with better than 70% effectiveness.

Get the damn shot and stop being a disease spreader.

 

[Codewiz]

What pisses me off most is that these FVCKERS don't realize they are putting vaccinated children at risk. They don't understand that vaccinations don't always take by the kids they are given to. BUT those kids are typically protected because of the herd vaccination rates are so high that the spread of the disease never happens.

Now we have all these fvckers not vaccinating their children and it won't just be their kids that get sick. If enough of these fvckers don't vaccinate their children there will be INNOCENTS that are harmed out of these fvckers IGNORANCE.

I just had my first child in Novermber. I did A LOT of research prior to my child being born. There are so many studies out there showing that there is ZERO, NADDA, ZIP correlation between vaccinations and autism. You want to talk about allergies, we are just now(within the past 10 years) getting a good grip on allergies. Guess what? A new study about milk allergies(not lactose intolerance) showed it was actually BETTER to expose the kids to milk at low doses over time and the allergy went away as long as the milk continued to be consumed. Guess what that means? The whole avoid the allergen at all cost method over the past 30 years has been the wrong approach. That is why we have more people with allergies. How many children that grew up on a farm had animal allergies? None because they were raised with animals.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Amused
Um, no he's not.

1. It is impossible for the flu shot to cause the flu.

2. The MILD immune response to the dead virus is just that, MILD. It is rare and at WORST a very low grade fever and lasts a day or two. An actual flu infection comes with a high fever and lasts an average of 10 days.

Mild or not, you get the flu. How is getting a fever for a few days better than no fever at all?

3. The weaker the immune system, the weaker the response to the shot. So as to your last sentence, it is 100% incorrect. People with weakened immune systems are LESS likely to have mild, short duration symptoms after getting the shot than those with strong immune systems.

So why not just give them no shot at all? After all, the flu evolves so fast you have to keep getting shots every year to avoid the most recent strain.

4. Getting the shot not only protects you, but those around you. The people you infect could very well have weakened immune systems and die from a flu infection.

If those around me need to be protected from the flu, then they can count on themselves to go get a damn shot. I don't give two shits about the person next to me. I get the flu when I get a flu shot. I don't get the flu when I don't get a flu shot. Fuck everyone else, I'm not going to go get a shot, and then the flu, just so some asshole can sleep better at night thinking there's 1 less person out of 6,000,000,000 others that he might get the flu from.

As for the effectiveness? Yes, some years they predict incorrectly, but those are in the minority. Last year was a bad year and the shot was largely ineffective. This year is a good year with better than 70% effectiveness.

Get the damn shot and stop being a disease spreader.

Heh. No.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
I get a flu shot every year at work, mostly because it's free, I love free stuff, even shots!. Seriously though it seems to have helped as I haven't had the flu in over 5 years. Some of the stuff she is rambling about like mercury, anti-freeze, how in the hell would that wind up in a vaccination anyway??

I've never had a flu shot, and have only had the flu once in college. A flu shot is a largley useless vaccine, as they have to guess which particu;ar strain will be the most common months before flu season. If they happen to guess right, it will help, but iof they are wrong, it's useless.

I think that her judgement has been clouded by her personal experience, but I do feel that some of her concerns have merit to require further investigation in an unbiased manner.

All those wishing death upon her or otherwise flipping out on her are morons. If you personally believed that a significant illness or death of your child could have been avoided, I believe most of you would be vocal about it.

It's a YMMV deal with the flu shot, I'm probably a lot older than you (52) so it seems to help. My company uses a lot of temp workers so I feel I'm helping protecting myself from the many different people I come in contact with, almost all of my co-workers have had the flu at least once in the last 2 years but I have not. Might be just luck as you said they are guessing what strain will be prevalent one year to the next, I'm not sure if it protects from previous versions or not. BTW I have never, ever had flu symptoms from getting vaccinated.

 

[Brainonska511]

This thread is full of lulz.

 

[moshquerade]

It seems like Jenny McCarthy is trying to find a scapegoat so she can blame something else for her not having a *gasp* perfect child.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
It seems like Jenny McCarthy is trying to find a scapegoat so she can blame something else for her not having a *gasp* perfect child.

Agree...

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Amused
Um, no he's not.

1. It is impossible for the flu shot to cause the flu.

2. The MILD immune response to the dead virus is just that, MILD. It is rare and at WORST a very low grade fever and lasts a day or two. An actual flu infection comes with a high fever and lasts an average of 10 days.

Mild or not, you get the flu. How is getting a fever for a few days better than no fever at all?

3. The weaker the immune system, the weaker the response to the shot. So as to your last sentence, it is 100% incorrect. People with weakened immune systems are LESS likely to have mild, short duration symptoms after getting the shot than those with strong immune systems.

So why not just give them no shot at all? After all, the flu evolves so fast you have to keep getting shots every year to avoid the most recent strain.

4. Getting the shot not only protects you, but those around you. The people you infect could very well have weakened immune systems and die from a flu infection.

If those around me need to be protected from the flu, then they can count on themselves to go get a damn shot. I don't give two shits about the person next to me. I get the flu when I get a flu shot. I don't get the flu when I don't get a flu shot. Fuck everyone else, I'm not going to go get a shot, and then the flu, just so some asshole can sleep better at night thinking there's 1 less person out of 6,000,000,000 others that he might get the flu from.

As for the effectiveness? Yes, some years they predict incorrectly, but those are in the minority. Last year was a bad year and the shot was largely ineffective. This year is a good year with better than 70% effectiveness.

Get the damn shot and stop being a disease spreader.

Heh. No.

IF you get the FLU SHOT, you CANNOT get the Flu from it. The FLU SHOT is completely dead flu virus. If you get the flu mist it is POSSIBLE but highly unlikely you get the flu. That is why the elderly or people with weakened immune system get the shot and healthy people typically get the flu mist.

The only thing you get from the flu shot is your immune system building antibodies against the dead flu virus in your system.

 

[walrus]

Originally posted by: ironwing
She's gotten huge exposure for her dangerous idea. Kids will die or become crippled due to this. The Age of Reason is dead.

+1

 

[mcmilljb]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Why the fuck would anyone get a flu shot? Most worthless vaccine ever. Everyone I know who gets flu shots always comes down with something immediately after whether it be the flu or a cold. Conversely, I've never had a flu shot in my life and I get the flu about once every 7-8 years on average.

You aren't the target and that flu/cold is a known side effect of the shot. The flu you get is significantly weaker than it would be normally. It's only really useful for people that just wouldn't survive a full strength case of the flu.

Are you fucking stupid? I guess so. If you get the flu after getting the flu shot, it means the strain you got was not the same as the ones present in the vaccine. That's all it means. They can't put every known strain in the vaccine. They have to make educated guesses. Anyone can get the flu, and everyone should get the shot. If you get sick after a vaccine, you're not getting a "cold" or the "flu", it's a damn allergic reaction. Think about it, you're getting a dead virus! Plus a cold is caused by a different virus. So unless they're shooting you up with a live virus that can cause a cold, you're not getting a cold!

If you don't understand how vaccines work, shut your damn mouth or go read!

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Amused
Um, no he's not.

1. It is impossible for the flu shot to cause the flu.

2. The MILD immune response to the dead virus is just that, MILD. It is rare and at WORST a very low grade fever and lasts a day or two. An actual flu infection comes with a high fever and lasts an average of 10 days.

Mild or not, you get the flu. How is getting a fever for a few days better than no fever at all?

NO YOU FUCKING DON'T! You get a mild immune response. Fucking learn to read you ignorant fuck.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
IF you get the FLU SHOT, you CANNOT get the Flu from it. The FLU SHOT is completely dead flu virus.

Blah blah blah blah blah. I got the flu each year I got a shot. Draw whatever conclusions someone else wants you to believe, but I have personal experience that outweighs your caps lock key.

If you get the flu mist it is POSSIBLE but highly unlikely you get the flu. That is why the elderly or people with weakened immune system get the shot and healthy people typically get the flu mist.

The only thing you get from the flu shot is your immune system building antibodies against the dead flu virus in your system.

If that's the case, why do people get flu-like symptoms if the flu is dead? If someone with a cold sneezes on me and I catch cold-like symptoms, I'd quit going to my family practitioner if he told me "oh, uh, it's not ACTUALLY a cold, it's just cold-like symptoms while your body builds up an immunity."

What a load of bullshit.

"Well, you've got symptoms of the flu, but it must be some magical spell or something because you can't get the flu from a flu shot. We'll call it... um... pseudofluomonia. Or something."

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Amused
Um, no he's not.

1. It is impossible for the flu shot to cause the flu.

2. The MILD immune response to the dead virus is just that, MILD. It is rare and at WORST a very low grade fever and lasts a day or two. An actual flu infection comes with a high fever and lasts an average of 10 days.

Mild or not, you get the flu. How is getting a fever for a few days better than no fever at all?

NO YOU FUCKING DON'T! You get a mild immune response. Fucking learn to read you ignorant fuck.

PLUS, I would much much rather get a fever of type A for a few days and avoid fever B that lasts a week than end up with full blown fever B. You are NOT getting the flu from a flu vaccine, dumbass, you're getting a fever from one of many possible reasons.

People like you = Jenny McCarthy. Anyone with an ounce of even high school knowledge on vaccines knows the shit she's spewing is preposterous. When there is no confirmed link between A and B, and A saves lives and B is a disorder with eleventy billion possible causes, you deserve to die for scaring so many people away from A. Measles rates have gone up in some communities because of her drivel, FUCK HER. She should go back to her day job and only open her mouth for more caulk.

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Codewiz
IF you get the FLU SHOT, you CANNOT get the Flu from it. The FLU SHOT is completely dead flu virus.

Blah blah blah blah blah. I got the flu each year I got a shot. Draw whatever conclusions someone else wants you to believe, but I have personal experience that outweighs your caps lock key.

If you get the flu mist it is POSSIBLE but highly unlikely you get the flu. That is why the elderly or people with weakened immune system get the shot and healthy people typically get the flu mist.

The only thing you get from the flu shot is your immune system building antibodies against the dead flu virus in your system.

If that's the case, why do people get flu-like symptoms if the flu is dead? If someone with a cold sneezes on me and I catch cold-like symptoms, I'd quit going to my family practitioner if he told me "oh, uh, it's not ACTUALLY a cold, it's just cold-like symptoms while your body builds up an immunity."

What a load of bullshit.

"Well, you've got symptoms of the flu, but it must be some magical spell or something because you can't get the flu from a flu shot. We'll call it... um... pseudofluomonia. Or something."

Anecdotal personal experiences coming from you sure as fuck don't outweigh scientific evidence. Outweigh the entire scientific community, my caps lock key does not. It's not a load of bullshit, do you know how a fever works? It's an immune response. Perhaps even to your own bullshit.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
NO YOU FUCKING DON'T! You get a mild immune response. Fucking learn to read you ignorant fuck.

So you're basically calling me and other people on this forum and thousands of people every year liars?

Okay. Doesn't change the facts that I am one of many who get the flu after getting a flu shot.

Oh, and your anger and hot-headed assholery are going to bend you over and fuck you some day.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Codewiz
IF you get the FLU SHOT, you CANNOT get the Flu from it. The FLU SHOT is completely dead flu virus.

Blah blah blah blah blah. I got the flu each year I got a shot. Draw whatever conclusions someone else wants you to believe, but I have personal experience that outweighs your caps lock key.

If you get the flu mist it is POSSIBLE but highly unlikely you get the flu. That is why the elderly or people with weakened immune system get the shot and healthy people typically get the flu mist.

The only thing you get from the flu shot is your immune system building antibodies against the dead flu virus in your system.

If that's the case, why do people get flu-like symptoms if the flu is dead? If someone with a cold sneezes on me and I catch cold-like symptoms, I'd quit going to my family practitioner if he told me "oh, uh, it's not ACTUALLY a cold, it's just cold-like symptoms while your body builds up an immunity."

What a load of bullshit.

"Well, you've got symptoms of the flu, but it must be some magical spell or something because you can't get the flu from a flu shot. We'll call it... um... pseudofluomonia. Or something."

You are dense.

You do know that it takes about two weeks for your body to build immunities when you get a vaccination. So it is possible to actually get the flu but it isn't caused by the shot.

On top of that, while your body is building antibodies after the flu shot, you would be more susceptible to a cold.

You are obviously one of the people that ignores verified proven science. Go on you merry little ignorant way.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
NO YOU FUCKING DON'T! You get a mild immune response. Fucking learn to read you ignorant fuck.

So you're basically calling me and other people on this forum and thousands of people every year liars?

Okay. Doesn't change the facts that I am one of many who get the flu after getting a flu shot.

Oh, and your anger and hot-headed assholery are going to bend you over and fuck you some day.

Do you have a 100+ fever for 7+ days? Do you get muscle aches that last for 7+ days? Do you have the flu? If you answered no to any of those questions, you did NOT have the flu, and your body was responding to one of 1000 variables.

If you're so convinced you've got the flu, get the shot, and then get a flu test when you think you've got the flu.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
NO YOU FUCKING DON'T! You get a mild immune response. Fucking learn to read you ignorant fuck.

So you're basically calling me and other people on this forum and thousands of people every year liars?

Okay. Doesn't change the facts that I am one of many who get the flu after getting a flu shot.

Oh, and your anger and hot-headed assholery are going to bend you over and fuck you some day.

Do you even know what the flu is?

103 degree fever
Horrible feeling
You CAN'T function because you feel so bad.
Last up to two weeks.

Anyone can continue working and getting around with a cold. A flu will shut your ass down.

 

[mcmilljb]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Codewiz
IF you get the FLU SHOT, you CANNOT get the Flu from it. The FLU SHOT is completely dead flu virus.

Blah blah blah blah blah. I got the flu each year I got a shot. Draw whatever conclusions someone else wants you to believe, but I have personal experience that outweighs your caps lock key.

If you get the flu mist it is POSSIBLE but highly unlikely you get the flu. That is why the elderly or people with weakened immune system get the shot and healthy people typically get the flu mist.

The only thing you get from the flu shot is your immune system building antibodies against the dead flu virus in your system.

If that's the case, why do people get flu-like symptoms if the flu is dead? If someone with a cold sneezes on me and I catch cold-like symptoms, I'd quit going to my family practitioner if he told me "oh, uh, it's not ACTUALLY a cold, it's just cold-like symptoms while your body builds up an immunity."

What a load of bullshit.

"Well, you've got symptoms of the flu, but it must be some magical spell or something because you can't get the flu from a flu shot. We'll call it... um... pseudofluomonia. Or something."

A lot of diseases and illnesses have similar symptoms dumbass! That's why MLT/MT and pathologists look at your bodily fluids.

You think everyone coughing has the same disease or illness? What about a fever?

Now shut up and don't breed.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
You are NOT getting the flu from a flu vaccine, dumbass, you're getting a fever from one of many possible reasons.

Who cares how I get it? It's really quite simple. Lets put this in simpler terms for those struggling to keep up.

IF get_flu_shot THEN get_flu
IF don't_get_flu_shot THEN don't_get_flu

That's just how it is for many people. Who gives a giant cluster fuck whether there's another step in there? I get the flu when I get flu shots. Period. If you can't understand that or can't handle that, that's not my problem. If you're just going to sit there and call me a liar, do yourself a favor and save the TCP overhead for something more agreeable to the both of us.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: mcmilljb
You think everyone coughing has the same disease or illness? What about a fever?

Now shut up and don't breed.

Wow. When did I say that every disease was the same? What the fuck are you talking about

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
You are NOT getting the flu from a flu vaccine, dumbass, you're getting a fever from one of many possible reasons.

Who cares how I get it? It's really quite simple. Lets put this in simpler terms for those struggling to keep up.

IF get_flu_shot THEN get_flu
IF don't_get_flu_shot THEN don't_get_flu

That's just how it is for many people. Who gives a giant cluster fuck whether there's another step in there? I get the flu when I get flu shots. Period. If you can't understand that or can't handle that, that's not my problem. If you're just going to sit there and call me a liar, do yourself a favor and save the TCP overhead for something more agreeable to the both of us.

I give a giant cluster fuck, fuckwad. You're mistaking a weak ass fever for the flu. If you're not going to look at scientific evidence and continue going with your "mommy feelings" or "gut instinct" like the mindless bimbo for whom this thread is named, then be my guest.

10 IF Nik_properly_defines_flu THEN GOTO20 NOT GOTO30
20 Haha, fat chance
30 Piss off

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
You do know that it takes about two weeks for your body to build immunities when you get a vaccination. So it is possible to actually get the flu but it isn't caused by the shot.

Right. When did I say otherwise