Joe Biden 2020

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BUTCH1

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I'm not saying Trump is a better choice, he isn't. I'm saying he will Win.
He might, Biden's team better learn quickly how to fight dirty, the GOP are much better with social media but the amount of material the Dem's have is staggering, trump remains the sole POTUS who has not furnished his tax returns since it started in the early '60's.
 

NWRMidnight

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He might, Biden's team better learn quickly how to fight dirty, the GOP are much better with social media but the amount of material the Dem's have is staggering, trump remains the sole POTUS who has not furnished his tax returns since it started in the early '60's.
If fighting dirty is the only way to win an election, that says more about the voters than the person running for office. Personally the dirty campaigns of today need to go. It's time that they start talking about what they plan to do to fix or better our county rather than spending most of the time attacking who they are up against. If we handled a job interview like this, we would be thrown out with no chance for the position. Same needs to happen here.
 

sandorski

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He might, Biden's team better learn quickly how to fight dirty, the GOP are much better with social media but the amount of material the Dem's have is staggering, trump remains the sole POTUS who has not furnished his tax returns since it started in the early '60's.

We'll know in November how it turns out, but the die has been cast.
 

PlanetJosh

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I'm watching Biden speak live now and the lady standing next to him has a slight look of concern. She may be his loved one and I'm for Biden to win in Nov but I can't help but notice she kind of has the demeanor of a nurse standing guard ready to step in and save him or escort him off if he makes or made a really bad gaffe. edit - he gave a good speech all the way through.
 
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woolfe9998

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If fighting dirty is the only way to win an election, that says more about the voters than the person running for office. Personally the dirty campaigns of today need to go. It's time that they start talking about what they plan to do to fix or better our county rather than spending most of the time attacking who they are up against. If we handled a job interview like this, we would be thrown out with no chance for the position. Same needs to happen here.

I somewhat agree, I mean in a perfect world. But in a job interview, you aren't competing against a known person who has already held that position. But this is a political campaign. Can you seriously imagine any democrat campaigning this year without talking at length about Trump's shortcomings? I don't think they'd be doing any favors to voters if they campaigned that way.

To me, the most critical issue is honesty. If you're going to trash your opponent, do it by telling the truth. The dishonesty of the right is what dems should not be sinking to. They don't need to anyway. With Trump, the truth is more than sufficient to make the case.
 

IronWing

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I thought Joe is supposed to stay positive while Bloomberg spends a billion drowning Trump in the vile cesspool that is Trump’s record.
 

ShookKnight

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Pulling out the Obama factor, and so soon?

Joe Biden was Vice President of the United State of America for 8 years.

He has been in politics for decades.

Joe isn't using the Obama factor - he is stating a fact that he was, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - FOR 8 YEARS.
 

ondma

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Actually, this would not be "awesome". It just shows how bankrupt and politically inept the Dems are that they cannot come up with a viable candidate after 4 years (almost) of seeing what Trump has done to the country.

Edit: In the same vein, I think the only way Biden even has a ghost of a chance is to pick a very good VP candidate who can energize the voters. After all, if Biden is elected, whoever is VP will almost certainly be running for president in 4 years, and could become President much sooner, considering Biden's age and apparent decline. Who would that be? I dont really know. Personally, I would love to see Andrew Yang, as at least he is young and has new ideas.
 
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JEDIYoda

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Nixw try,,,,you shouldn`t post a link and make people think your ,ionk disproves something when it niether supports nor disproves what was said!! --- Fact check -- Unproven!! NOT False!!
From your link --
Again we bump into some problems of literalness, though, because some would argue that a person who has already run up against the limits of the 22nd Amendment isn’t “constitutionally ineligible” to be President (i.e., that person doesn’t fail to meet one or more of the requirements specified in Article II of the constitution, such as being at least 35 years old or a natural-born citizen of the United States) but is merely constitutionally ineligible to be elected President. Under this interpretation, a former two-term President would still be eligible, under the law, to obtain and hold the office of Vice President through election or appointment to that position.

Ultimately, the only answer to this hypothetical is that there is no answer: this is an interpretive legal issue that, should it ever arise, would have to be decided by the judicial branch of the U.S. government.
 

ondma

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Nixw try,,,,you shouldn`t post a link and make people think your ,ionk disproves something when it niether supports nor disproves what was said!! --- Fact check -- Unproven!! NOT False!!
From your link --
Again we bump into some problems of literalness, though, because some would argue that a person who has already run up against the limits of the 22nd Amendment isn’t “constitutionally ineligible” to be President (i.e., that person doesn’t fail to meet one or more of the requirements specified in Article II of the constitution, such as being at least 35 years old or a natural-born citizen of the United States) but is merely constitutionally ineligible to be elected President. Under this interpretation, a former two-term President would still be eligible, under the law, to obtain and hold the office of Vice President through election or appointment to that position.

Ultimately, the only answer to this hypothetical is that there is no answer: this is an interpretive legal issue that, should it ever arise, would have to be decided by the judicial branch of the U.S. government.
While what you say is true, it is obvious that the intent of the amendment limiting terms is to prevent a president from serving more than two terms. Nominating Obama would be such an obvious way of trying to circumvent this that I think people would rebel in droves. It really is the kind of thing that Trump and the republicans would do. If the dems cant come up with a viable candidate after having almost 4 years to groom one, that is on them.
 

JEDIYoda

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While what you say is true, it is obvious that the intent of the amendment limiting terms is to prevent a president from serving more than two terms. Nominating Obama would be such an obvious way of trying to circumvent this that I think people would rebel in droves. It really is the kind of thing that Trump and the republicans would do. If the dems cant come up with a viable candidate after having almost 4 years to groom one, that is on them.
We can agree to disagree! I am sorry but there is nothing improper about Biden asking Obama to Biden`s VP!! The wording against a sitting president serving another tewrm is true! But in this case the wording does use the word "elected" which if Biden were to die while in office and Obama was the VP would mean Obama could be the President! Why? Because he was NOT elected!
We can agree to disagree!!
 

Vic

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Joe's starting to look pretty godammned Presidential.
 

sandorski

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Joe's starting to look pretty godammned Presidential.

Sanders offered clearer solutions.
 

JEDIYoda

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Sanders offered clearer solutions.
That could be true, but what I think Vic was pointing out was that Biden made no mis-steps in his last speech and spoke very clearly and like a man with all his mental facilities!! To which I agree!! Biden sounded way more Presidential than I have ever heard him sound!!
 

ondma

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That could be true, but what I think Vic was pointing out was that Biden made no mis-steps in his last speech and spoke very clearly and like a man with all his mental facilities!! To which I agree!! Biden sounded way more Presidential than I have ever heard him sound!!
Sounds like "damning with faint praise" to me. Pretty sad that every time Biden speaks coherently it is taken as a positive. That should be a given.

And dont forget this was a prepared speech, not something that required reasoned, coherent responses under pressure (like the debates with Trump will).
 

sandorski

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Sounds like "damning with faint praise" to me. Pretty sad that every time Biden speaks coherently it is taken as a positive. That should be a given.

And dont forget this was a prepared speech, not something that required reasoned, coherent responses under pressure (like the debates with Trump will).

I recall a few times during Trump's early months how he was praised for finally sounding "Presidential". It's a pretty low bar.
 

Jhhnn

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Sounds like "damning with faint praise" to me. Pretty sad that every time Biden speaks coherently it is taken as a positive. That should be a given.

And dont forget this was a prepared speech, not something that required reasoned, coherent responses under pressure (like the debates with Trump will).

Who says there will be debates?
 
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