Joe Biden 2020

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sandorski

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Your concerns are so touching, in a bad touching sort of way. You're like a fifth columnist in the ranks.

If pointing out Flaws that are Known, Recorded, and will be used against him is being a Fifth Column, then you have serious problems. Putting your head in the sand is not a winning strategy.
 

Jhhnn

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If pointing out Flaws that are Known, Recorded, and will be used against him is being a Fifth Column, then you have serious problems. Putting your head in the sand is not a winning strategy.

None of it really matters unless people like you make it matter. If you want to do something to beat Trump, puff up Bernie rather than tearing down Joe.
 

JEDIYoda

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Sounds like "damning with faint praise" to me. Pretty sad that every time Biden speaks coherently it is taken as a positive. That should be a given.

And dont forget this was a prepared speech, not something that required reasoned, coherent responses under pressure (like the debates with Trump will).
Butt hurt much?? Here let me help -- don`t say I never did anything for you --
 

sandorski

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None of it really matters unless people like you make it matter. If you want to do something to beat Trump, puff up Bernie rather than tearing down Joe.

If you want to Win, then everyone needs to be fully vetted.
 

Commodus

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Trump has stated at one time that there is no reason for debates....go figure...

I like to think that the news outlets should hold debates even if Trump refuses to show, just have the Democrat at one podium and an empty podium at the other side. At every turn remind people that Trump was too afraid to show up. It might get him to show up, if just because his fragile ego couldn't take it.
 

Vic

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Sanders offered clearer solutions.
Sanders' solutions look just like Trump's to me. All blame and division. Those appear to be your solutions too. I'm done with that BS, from both left and right. America needs to heal and come back together somehow.
 

Jhhnn

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If you want to Win, then everyone needs to be fully vetted.

If you want to Win, then everyone needs to be fully vetted.

Oh, please. What's happened is that Bernie lost his shine & his adherents are in denial. The wave of younger voters he predicted & needed just didn't happen. I wish it had. His only hope was to have the most delegates in a brokered convention, which isn't happening. So they're going with tearing down Joe in a desperate & misguided attempt to pull it out of the fire. They're playing the role of useful idiots for Trump & the whole GOP ticket, same as it was in 2016.
 
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sandorski

No Lifer
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Oh, please. What's happened is that Bernie lost his shine & his adherents are in denial. The wave of younger voters he predicted & needed just didn't happen. I wish it had. His only hope was to have the most delegates in a brokered convention, which isn't happening. So they're going with tearing down Joe in a desperate & misguided attempt to pull it out of the fire. They're playing the role of useful idiots for Trump & the whole GOP ticket, same as it was in 2016.

Again, no one is fabricating criticisms against Joe. They are merely talking about his flaws, which are massive. He is the exact type of candidate Trump loves to go against. All Trump has against Bernie is the "Commie" card, which is easily addressed by pointing out how other popular US Presidents and modern respectable nations have expressed support and/or made policy Bernie proposes.
 
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momeNt

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Trump has stated at one time that there is no reason for debates....go figure...

Could have been to reassure Dems on getting Biden through as the nominee, only to later agree to debates and now the dems are stuck with Sleepy Joe.

Nothing is straightforward with Trump and the Russian mind-hack machine that he employs. It may not be actually implemented by Russians but it certainly is inspired by them.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
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If the upcoming Biden v Sanders debate got cancelled, it would be a horrible mistake. Basically for 2 reasons:

1 It should clearly show who is the best candidate.

2 There is already the concern that the Biden Campaign and the Democratic elite supporting him are trying to keep him outside the public eye as much as possible. Cancelling this debate will only reinforce that suspicion.
 

Vic

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But even with that said, I cant jump on the "everything Trump does is either for himself, for the rich, or just plain lunacy".
Why not just allow people to hold Trump accountable for what he does? Isn't that bad enough?
There's no need for you to keep making up straw men about how he's being blamed for every stubbed toe. He's not.
 
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If the upcoming Biden v Sanders debate got cancelled, it would be a horrible mistake. Basically for 2 reasons:

1 It should clearly show who is the best candidate.

2 There is already the concern that the Biden Campaign and the Democratic elite supporting him are trying to keep him outside the public eye as much as possible. Cancelling this debate will only reinforce that suspicion.

Feels like Bernie is only staying in the race to get to the debat and ask Biden to commit on a few things.
I predict Bernie dropping out a day or so after the debate provided Biden gets on record supporting some of Bernie’s stuff.
Smart plan.
 

Blackjack200

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Feels like Bernie is only staying in the race to get to the debat and ask Biden to commit on a few things.
I predict Bernie dropping out a day or so after the debate provided Biden gets on record supporting some of Bernie’s stuff.
Smart plan.

What is Biden going to support? The guy is basically a Republican.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Making up shit is fun huh?

What am I making up? He opposes universal health care, he opposes meaningful climate action, he opposes campaign finance reform, and he told a room full of rich donors that nothing was going to change. How is that not a reasonable characterization?
 
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