Joe's Crab Shack - No Tipping?!?!

[Ns1]

I know people don't appreciate it around here but it is a very high skill job that can pay well.

it's a job that's fit for actors who are already good at memorizing lines and people who are good at memory games. it's most certainly NOT a higher skill then the dude in the back who's actually you know, responsible for making the food and DOESN'T get tips.

Everyone else, if you want your "fine" dining to be nothing but chain restaurants with crappy food and crappy service I guess you've got it coming. Your choices are Olive Garden, Chili's, Outback Steakhouse, Joe's Crab Shack and Red Lobster. Yum... :barf:

This is 100% true, which is why fine dining doesn't exist outside of the united states. If only places like Japan and France had tipping, they would have "real" fine dining restaurants with quality food and quality service.

 

[JSt0rm]

it's a job that's fit for actors who are already good at memorizing lines and people who are good at memory games. it's most certainly NOT a higher skill then the dude in the back who's actually you know, responsible for making the food and DOESN'T get tips.

Guiding people thru a good meal has a value. The guy in the back doesn't know the difference between chardonnay and cabernet. He doesn't know how to deal with a cork that is disintegrating in a 20 year old bottle of wine. And he probably doesnt have any people skills.

sure he can learn but he hasnt yet and probably wont. He is also just putting together a dish created by a chef.

Do what you want. It has zero affect on me at this point. I havent worked in the industry in 8 years.

 

[JulesMaximus]

it's a job that's fit for actors who are already good at memorizing lines and people who are good at memory games. it's most certainly NOT a higher skill then the dude in the back who's actually you know, responsible for making the food and DOESN'T get tips.



This is 100% true, which is why fine dining doesn't exist outside of the united states. If only places like Japan and France had tipping, they would have "real" fine dining restaurants with quality food and quality service.

Okay, I'll admit... that was a little bit of a stretch.

 

[JSt0rm]

This is 100% true, which is why fine dining doesn't exist outside of the united states. If only places like Japan and France had tipping, they would have "real" fine dining restaurants with quality food and quality service.

Bad examples. Universal healthcare and other social services in those countries allow people to do this work for less actual pay while still having the safety net in place. If they push service into a $15 a hour position for someone with 10 years of experience you can expect those people to leave that industry. These are not dumb people.

 

[Ns1]

Okay, I'll admit... that was a little bit of a stretch.

:thumbsup:

 

[Capt Caveman]

Great, higher food prices!!!!

 

[JSt0rm]

Great, higher food prices!!!!

kind of amazing what people are happy about

 

[Capt Caveman]

I'm actually shocked that the first ones to do this is a cheap-ass seafood chain. I would think it would start in places where the meals are more expensive, so they can take the monetary cup.

Overall it is encouraging either way.

Of course it would be cheap-ass places, people tip at higher end restaurants and don't complain about it.

 

[Ns1]

Of course it would be cheap-ass places, people tip at higher end restaurants and don't complain about it.

see reply #9. a handful of high end places in LA have also moved away from tipping towards the service charge model.

 

[TheGardener]

Great, higher food prices!!!!

Get use to redistribution. Affects every walk of life, including food service.

 

[JSt0rm]

as I said before. This has nothing to do with anything other then the owners wanting the tip money. Do you think these restaurants are going to pay a line cook more? A dishwasher? a prep worker? No. They just raised the prices of the food 20% for more profit. Now that servers are more expensive you can expect less of them at restaurants. Lower quality service. Not gonna matter for a lot of the mouth breathers here who think a bloomin onion is fine dining but for real foodies its gonna be a issue.

 

[ponyo]

Of course it would be cheap-ass places, people tip at higher end restaurants and don't complain about it.

Because higher end restaurants are worth tipping. The service is like million times better and the prices are not that much more expensive. Food at high end restaurants are a bargain.

 

[Ns1]

Because higher end restaurants are worth tipping. The service is like million times better and the prices are not that much more expensive. Food at high end restaurants are a bargain.

if you believe this you must

• go to balling places on a daily basis OR
• not go to very high end places OR
• don't drink alcohol OR
• some combination of the above

 

[Capt Caveman]

as I said before. This has nothing to do with anything other then the owners wanting the tip money. Do you think these restaurants are going to pay a line cook more? A dishwasher? a prep worker? No. They just raised the prices of the food 20% for more profit. Now that servers are more expensive you can expect less of them at restaurants. Lower quality service. Not gonna matter for a lot of the mouth breathers here who think a bloomin onion is fine dining but for real foodies its gonna be a issue.

Funny thing is with any tip thread here, people complain that servers/etc don't deserve more than minimum wage b/c anybody can do the job, now these individuals are going to get paid much more than minimum wages and people here are going to have to pay more now for their meals. I think it's hilarious.

 

[JSt0rm]

There is different levels of fine dining. $200 for 2 people is mid level. $800 is ultra high end. The service increases with the cost.

 

[JSt0rm]

Funny thing is with any tip thread here, people complain that servers/etc don't deserve more than minimum wage b/c anybody can do the job, now these individuals are going to get paid much more than minimum wages and people here are going to have to pay more now for their meals. I think it's hilarious.

I dont think a lot of people in those threads even care about food enough to care about good service. Its like an art form at the right places. For those people to make less then $30 a hour is a shame.

 

[JEDI]

Are our prayers finally being answered?!?!



http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/11/pf/joes-crab-shack-no-tipping/

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

im definitely going to eat at this place when I see one!

 

[OutHouse]

Because higher end restaurants are worth tipping. The service is like million times better and the prices are not that much more expensive. Food at high end restaurants are a bargain.

Error what?

 

[Markbnj]

I approve!

Another horrible thing Prohibition brought on this country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k

If that really explains the origin of tipping then what's the story with all the other trades where it's expected? People tip their hair stylists, carpet installers, delivery guy, etc.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Being a server in a high end restaurant requires vast knowledge of foods, liquors, wines and beers. Even someone at joes crab shack needs to know the difference between a muscle and a oyster. stone crab claws and snow crab. Australian lobster and main lobster. If a place like Gramercy Tavern is doing this I believe the top servers there will leave.

There are so many real reasons to insure you keep good wait staff in high end restaurants and those people cut their teeth working at places like joes crab shack. 10 years from now we will see a very different landscape for service in this country.

I know people don't appreciate it around here but it is a very high skill job that can pay well.

Adapt or die.

 

[Newbian]

If that really explains the origin of tipping then what's the story with all the other trades where it's expected? People tip their hair stylists, carpet installers, delivery guy, etc.

The thing is as far as I know no other job can give you under minimal wage as long as your tips makes up for the rest.

 

[JSt0rm]

Adapt or die.

Adapt to rich owners adding 20% to the meal prices and cutting wages by 50%? Lol. Also as I said I no longer work in that industry. I'm more specialized now.

 

[Ns1]

The thing is as far as I know no other job can give you under minimal wage as long as your tips makes up for the rest.

Not true in a number of states

 

[Linux23]

I approve!

Another horrible thing Prohibition brought on this country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k

that was cool to watch.

 

[DrPizza]

Being a server in a high end restaurant requires vast knowledge of foods, liquors, wines and beers. Even someone at joes crab shack needs to know the difference between a muscle and a oyster. stone crab claws and snow crab. Australian lobster and main lobster. If a place like Gramercy Tavern is doing this I believe the top servers there will leave.

There are so many real reasons to insure you keep good wait staff in high end restaurants and those people cut their teeth working at places like joes crab shack. 10 years from now we will see a very different landscape for service in this country.

I know people don't appreciate it around here but it is a very high skill job that can pay well.

Since you don't know the difference between mussels and muscles, and think it's the primary lobster, rather than lobster from the state of Maine, I rather have my doubts about the rest of your baller type posts in the rest of the thread.

as I said before. This has nothing to do with anything other then the owners wanting the tip money. Do you think these restaurants are going to pay a line cook more? A dishwasher? a prep worker? No. They just raised the prices of the food 20% for more profit. Now that servers are more expensive you can expect less of them at restaurants. Lower quality service. Not gonna matter for a lot of the mouth breathers here who think a bloomin onion is fine dining but for real foodies its gonna be a issue.

As far as your ideas that service is going to suffer, there will be fewer wait staff in restaurants, etc., if you reallllly think the type of people willing to shell out $800 for a dinner are going to put up with poor service, and excessive waits for things in the restaurant, you're out of your mind. Shitty servers are going to cost a restaurant repeat business - any owner would know that. Shitty servers can expect to be canned. You really think people are going to say, "you know, I think I'd rather be the guy sweating his ass off, busting his butt non-stop making this food for a lot less money than the people writing down orders and carrying the food out to the customers."