Joe's Crab Shack - No Tipping?!?!

[JSt0rm]

this is why the tipping model is broken. meanwhile Jose in the back has to leave his 10 hour shift and go to his 2nd job to feed his family because he doesn't get to share in tips.

Well then Jose is welcome to be a server. But he probably cant read/write english and speaks in broken english. Thats a reality. Also they dont like ugly people. Thats a sad fact but generally if you are ugly you wont get far.

 

[JSt0rm]

A place called the 'Crab Shake' is concerned over attracting culinary talent? Is there a special way to defrost and deep-fry frozen seafood?

Nonetheless, it's their business if they want to choke off a decent source of income for their employees, let them.

Oh, and American food is total SHIT - get over it ATOT.

they arent concerned with anything except raising the prices 15% and paying out maybe 5% of that.

 

[Ns1]

i <3 tipping threads

 

[JSt0rm]

i <3 tipping threads

Im just giving you my opinion based on 15 years of experience. You dont have to agree with me or like what I'm saying but I am here talling you that you are kinda wrong.

You can vote with your dollars and only go to places that have no tipping. You live in LA there are a few here for you.


Restaurants have always tried to find ways to take tips. When I worked at the steakhouse in ohio the owner was pulling 3% of our tips to pay the credit card fees. He got in big trouble when a bunch of servers sued him. I did not do that myself because I felt like I had a good thing going at that restaurant but its ever present.

Tip pooling is another way where they take control of the tips and attempt to divide it up however they want.

This is just the next step in that progression. Full control and use it to offset boh costs.

 

[SunnyD]

Im not talking about chilis. I pointed out all of the jobs I had that led to the point where I was making good money. For me at that point or someone with my skillset at that point can and will work in the best places.

A starting server makes shit money. Less then a starting college edu person for sure.

So you're admitting that 99.9% of all the wait service industry should be making no more than minimum wage, and the rest really are just overpaid just because of the exclusivity of their clientele. :thumbsup:

 

[Ns1]

So you're admitting that 99.9% of all the wait service industry should be making no more than minimum wage, and the rest really are just overpaid just because of the exclusivity of their clientele. :thumbsup:

You're wrong bro, you don't know the struggles that high end waiters have to go through - they have to memorize stuff. MEMORIZE.

 

[JSt0rm]

So you're admitting that 99.9% of all the wait service industry should be making no more than minimum wage, and the rest really are just overpaid just because of the exclusivity of their clientele. :thumbsup:

Thats not what Im saying at all. A starting server will make close to minimum wage. Even an experienced server who works at dennys will make good money (as someone posted). The factor in how much a person makes is themselves.

And you are not overpaid because of the exclusivity of your clients. You are paid well because you are a good server who has built up the experience to be in a high end restaurant.

Here is the thing. I can tell people here dont appreciate the work or the experience it takes to be a good server. That really isnt something I can talk into people. Its something that must be experienced.

 

[JSt0rm]

You're wrong bro, you don't know the struggles that high end waiters have to go through - they have to memorize stuff. MEMORIZE.

Cute. Memorizing things is part of the job yes but its not the entire job. You wouldn't know this because you have never done the work.

 

[JSt0rm]

its so strange to me that everyone in our country wants to pull everyone else down. We off shore good paying jobs to save 10%. We demand minimum wage never goes up. We want everything to be cheaper always. And we dont want to tip some person.

This comic really hits home for me:

http://thewireless.co.nz/articles/the-pencilsword-on-a-plate

 

[SunnyD]

Thats not what Im saying at all. A starting server will make close to minimum wage. Even an experienced server who works at dennys will make good money (as someone posted). The factor in how much a person makes is themselves.

And you are not overpaid because of the exclusivity of your clients. You are paid well because you are a good server who has built up the experience to be in a high end restaurant.

Here is the thing. I can tell people here dont appreciate the work or the experience it takes to be a good server. That really isnt something I can talk into people. Its something that must be experienced.

I didn't say anything about what they do make. I said what they should make. Your words were clear: If waiting tables were purely a wage-based position (no tipping) it would be a minimum wage job.

 

[JSt0rm]

I didn't say anything about what they do make. I said what they should make. Your words were clear: If waiting tables were purely a wage-based position (no tipping) it would be a minimum wage job.

Thats false. I never said in that quote or anywhere that any server should be making minimum wage. Please quote me saying :

If waiting tables were purely a wage-based position (no tipping) it would be a minimum wage job.

 

[SunnyD]

Thats false. I never said in that quote or anywhere that any server should be making minimum wage. Please quote me saying :

K. I'll point it out again for you...

Im not talking about chilis. I pointed out all of the jobs I had that led to the point where I was making good money. For me at that point or someone with my skillset at that point can and will work in the best places.

A starting server makes shit money. Less then a starting college edu person for sure.

The vast majority of restaurants in this world fall at or below the "Chili's" category, so therefore the vast majority of servers will be working no-skill service jobs compared to your high-skilled service job. Take away the tips, doesn't matter how you dice it it's a minimum wage job.

 

[JSt0rm]

K. I'll point it out again for you...



The vast majority of restaurants in this world fall at or below the "Chili's" category, so therefore the vast majority of servers will be working no-skill service jobs compared to your high-skilled service job. Take away the tips, doesn't matter how you dice it it's a minimum wage job.

We were talking about making $30 an hour. I dont expect people who work everywhere to make $30 an hour.

Read what I was quoting.

 

[JSt0rm]

$30.70/hr is more than the starting salary of almost every college educated profession. More than just about any union factory worker, mechanic or tradesman contract I've ever seen, too. Considering this is at $10pp restaurants, that hire high school kids, this is just stupid.

Yeah, at a nice restaurant, top servers pulling in $31/hr might make sense, but the 12th grader at Chili's?

Can we at least stop hearing the BS about how they only make $2.13/hr? When they are are whining about getting a raise to $15/hr?

K. I'll point it out again for you...

Thats what I was quoting.

 

[sourceninja]

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[JSt0rm]

Let's be honest, has anyone who ever worked in a tipping profession thought "Wow that tip was low, I wonder what I did wrong and I should work harder!" when they got no tip or a low tip?

Nope, it's more like "That asshole was a terrible tipper!"

You cant be negative about poor tips. You must be positive about every table every time. Ive had people say they didnt have enought to tip me and they would be back (never came back) or the cc would reject because they are at their limits. Shit happens.

Ive also had people come back the next day to give me more money because they realized they tipped too low. Thats really cool.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Fuck, with the job market the way it is and our economy basically becoming a service economy you'd think most people would be on the side of the servers... not ATOT though.

 

[BoberFett]

Good. It's time these waitstaff had to pay their fair share of taxes. They all cheat, not a single server I've known has declared all their tips. It's about time they had to join the rest of society.

 

[Ns1]

Fuck, with the job market the way it is and our economy basically becoming a service economy you'd think most people would be on the side of the servers... not ATOT though.

I'm on the side of equitable pay for all staff BOH and FOH, not just FOH.

How do you get there? By eliminating tipping.

 

[ControlD]

Unless things have changed in the last few years, several countries in Europe have tipping as well, it just works a little differently. The server comes out with the bill and shows it to you. You look at the bill and state what you wish to pay including the tip. The general rule of thumb in Germany and Austria is simply to round up. So, for example if the server tells me the bill is $22.15 I would say $25.

I can't speak for all of the European countries, but it worked that way in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Italy when I was in those countries. I haven't been to Europe in a long time (10 years or so) so perhaps things have changed. I'll be in Germany next week so I'm interested to see how it works these days.,

Only bringing this up because I see people saying the US is the only country with a tipping policy. I believe other countries also have tipping policies but they aren't so explicitly stated (15% for example).

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm on the side of equitable pay for all staff BOH and FOH, not just FOH.

How do you get there? By eliminating tipping.

As the owner drives off in a Maserati he yells back "the only way I can pay boh more is by increasing prices 20% and putting servers on hourly"

 

[SunnyD]

Fuck, with the job market the way it is and our economy basically becoming a service economy you'd think most people would be on the side of the servers... not ATOT though.

Course not. We're the 1%, bitch!

 

[OutHouse]

Nonetheless, it's their business if they want to choke off a decent source of income for their employees, let them.

Oh, and American food is total SHIT - get over it ATOT.

1. a decent source of income?
2. wtf are you talking about, just more ranting from the forum idiot?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Good. It's time these waitstaff had to pay their fair share of taxes. They all cheat, not a single server I've known has declared all their tips. It's about time they had to join the rest of society.

Never paid your food bill and tip by a credit card?

 

[OutHouse]

Even an experienced server who works at dennys will make good money (as someone posted). The factor in how much a person makes is themselves.

i dont agree with this. A good friend of ours works as a server for second job. she has pretty much only worked in chains and local joints. your hard work has very little to do with how much you get tipped in places like chili's, applebees, IHOP, Denny's or Billys country diner... your tips are pretty much entirely based upon how generous you guest are feeling that night and how busy the place is. she has done 12 hour shifts and make 60 bucks in tips and and i know the best she has done was a 4 hour shift she made 210 bucks. on her normal shifts about 6 hours she typically pulls in 80-100 bucks in tips.

many of her co-works work as servers and its their only source of income and they STRUGGLE to make ends meet.