Just a thought

[VinylxScratches]

It seems that the poor get poorer and the middle class is dead. Corporations are laying off and out sourcing and still profiting.

When there are more people that can't find a job, there will be chaos. I think the rich will live in fear or have to higher protection companies for day to day life, or move to another country which I doubt they will do?

What do you think is going to happen if we continue the route we are going?

 

[ComradeBeck]

It seems that the poor get poorer and the middle class is dead. Corporations are laying off and out sourcing and still profiting.

When there are more people that can't find a job, there will be chaos. I think the rich will live in fear or have to higher protection companies for day to day life, or move to another country which I doubt they will do?

What do you think is going to happen if we continue the route we are going?

My theory is the rich will leave the US at some point, they have not pulled the historical banana republic US imperialist south america style looting and gutting the government in my opinion because there was the USSR.

If they screwed the USA like they do now the USSR would have found them on whatever island they went to hoard the US's wealth as the US would fall.

Now with no natural enemies the US corporations are having a free-for all, this is imo the same reason torturing and prison for profit labor is on the rise.

We have no one to be the shining beacon on the hill for. Thus the corporations have gone hog wild shitting all over their beds, beds they will pick up and take to some tax shelter country to retire in style while America sinks into it's decline.

 

[Jaskalas]

What do you think is going to happen if we continue the route we are going?

Reign of Terror.

 

[dmcowen674]

Just a thought

It seems that the poor get poorer and the middle class is dead. Corporations are laying off and out sourcing and still profiting.

When there are more people that can't find a job, there will be chaos.

I think the rich will live in fear or have to higher protection companies for day to day life, or move to another country which I doubt they will do?

What do you think is going to happen if we continue the route we are going?

You must be new here. I warned about this 10 years ago here and up until recently was laughed at with every post that it was never going to happen.

What changed? What I said all along. You can find this quote of mine all over the board.

"When enough people are negatively affected you will see a revolution"

Well it's getting closer to the number it takes being negatively affected to effect change and you are witnessing it slowly unfolding.

Oh, also as for the rich you are worried about. You will also find quotes I have said all over the place here that the truly super rich that are responsible for this destruction of the country have dual citizenship with Monaco. Some that have come under fire for not paying taxes have already left the U.S. and gone there.

 

[Texashiker]

What do you think is going to happen if we continue the route we are going?

I think if we continue on the current path, the number of people drawing social benefits, and the number of people out of work will drive this nation to breaking point.

Local governments will not be able to raise enough tax dollars to support themselves, but the people will continue to demand schools, social programs,,,, until something has to break.

I think there are 2 factors working against the US, free trade and too many social benefit programs.

Free trade - as more and more factories are closed and shipped to china, there are 2 profound effects.

1 - the tax base is shifted to the people. Instead of a factory paying property and school taxes, that tax burden is shifted to the people.

2 - lower wages. As the factories are moved to china, people will have to either be retrained, or take a lower paying job.

Social benefits - my personal opinion, the US government has fostered a sub-culture of people who think they are entitled to food, free health care and a place to live.

My wife and I have a friend works for as a teacher for a local school. When the teacher was asked the students what they wanted to do with their life, one student raised his hand. The student said he waited to be like his grandfather and his dad, and get his monthly check in the mail.

What kind of society are we when we allow generations of people to receive social benefits?

 

[Moonbeam]

The myth is that technology creates new and better jobs but the fact is that software replaces workers and enriches those who use it to replace workers.

Software will eventually write itself and work as we know it will come to an end. Robots will eventually tirelessly do everything and wealth will have no meaning. The big question is how we will transition safely from poverty to infinite bounty. My guess is that we will not survive because we do not feel deserving. Too many of us have staked their self respect on the fact they have more than others. They will not be very happy there will be machines that will be better at anything and everything they do and will create more wealth in a minute than they will in a lifetime.

 

[dmcowen674]

My wife and I have a friend works for as a teacher for a local school. When the teacher was asked the students what they wanted to do with their life, one student raised his hand. The student said he waited to be like his grandfather and his dad, and get his monthly check in the mail.

What kind of society are we when we allow generations of people to receive social benefits?

The kind of Society your Republican ilk have fostered by sending all those factory jobs to china and driving wages down.

What did you expect would happen?

 

[Sixguns]

The kind of Society your Republican ilk have fostered by sending all those factory jobs to china and driving wages down.

What did you expect would happen?

And it has nothing to do with all the democrats and there handouts to those type of people.

 

[Texashiker]

The kind of Society your Republican ilk have fostered by sending all those factory jobs to china and driving wages down.

Why would you blame Republicans?

Bill Clinton did a flop-flop from his campaign promises and signed nafta and gatt. the treaty was then ratified by the senate.

I blame both parties.

 

[ComradeBeck]

Why would you blame Republicans?

Bill Clinton did a flop-flop from his campaign promises and signed nafta and gatt. the treaty was then ratified by the senate.

I blame both parties.

Republicans crafted the boondoggle, but you do have a very valid point, Clinton was a big part of the neo-liberal revolution/collusion with government/big industry.

Liberals need to not use selective perception either. This is a failed long term plan, just look at the righties.

 

[cubby1223]

It seems that the poor get poorer and the middle class is dead. Corporations are laying off and out sourcing and still profiting.

When there are more people that can't find a job, there will be chaos. I think the rich will live in fear or have to higher protection companies for day to day life, or move to another country which I doubt they will do?

What do you think is going to happen if we continue the route we are going?

You seem to have an inherent view of the world that we all are slaves to the corporations' generosity.

I don't share your view.

And the rich will not have to higher protection companies for day to day life.

 

[cubby1223]

The batshit crazy lefties sure have taken over this forum as of late.

Go hide under your tinfoil hats. Please leave reality to the rest of us.

 

[a777pilot]

It seems that the poor get poorer and the middle class is dead. Corporations are laying off and out sourcing and still profiting.

When there are more people that can't find a job, there will be chaos. I think the rich will live in fear or have to higher protection companies for day to day life, or move to another country which I doubt they will do?

What do you think is going to happen if we continue the route we are going?

The fix is easy. Stop voting for candiates like this Fool, Bobo, the Post Turtle, and his liberal friends, that are so intent on spending other people's money.

 

[ComradeBeck]

Please leave reality to the rest of us.

Why should anyone? the right has shown no interest in governing or coming out from under the corporate propaganda rock.

How about posting one reason you think the right should be even considered as being relevant nowadays?

What do you guys have to bring to the table? Nothing but haterism and division.

The right has 0% credibility for anything useful in the USA. Just a bunch of blowhard millionaries making a quick buck off small minded people spreading corporate propaganda for their criminal wall st. buddies.

Listening to a bunch of parrots repeat bullshit gets old. You guys little pseudo-political soap opera right wing fantasyworld has grown old with its hollow promises and 0 action to America.

Thus the backlash against everything talk radio has fed you guys as truth.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Why should anyone? the right has shown no interest in governing or coming out from under the corporate propaganda rock.

How about posting one reason you think the right should be even considered as being relevant nowadays?

What do you guys have to bring to the table? Nothing but haterism and division.

The right has 0% credibility for anything useful in the USA. Just a bunch of blowhard millionaries making a quick buck off small minded people spreading corporate propaganda for their criminal wall st. buddies.

LMAO!!!! The left is no different, they're in bed with all the same Wall St buddies/lobbyist.

 

[ComradeBeck]

LMAO!!!! The left is no different, they're in bed with all the same Wall St buddies/lobbyist.

Exactly. This is the point. The system is totally rigged against us and the political system.

Sure, the Dems give lip service, but at least they try to act like they are for the workign class, and sometimes throw the occasional bone, the difference with the right as I was pointing out is that they are nakedly, and unashamedly anti-working class in league with the 1%, with no problem coming right out and showing it.

I do appreciate the honesty of the right at least in being greedy sociopaths, but it does not make them less wrong in their views.

Both need a total shakedown along with the criminals in wall st. but the right needs a total cult-deprogramming though after 30 years of corporate propaganda they have lost touch with serving the people, they have even developed a disdain for rational governance if their wall st buddies do not get their way, this is inexcusable for ones who take an oath.

I do not defend the right often, but that is about all you are gonna get from me today.

 

[davmat787]

Exactly. This is the point. The system is totally rigged against us and the political system.

If you really feel this way why do you reserve all of your hate for the right? All you are creating is more division when practically everyone of your comments is a rant of anything or anyone you perceive as to the right of you. The amount of hate coming from you is amazing, so it is hard to believe you really feel the fault lies with all parties. Its like you think that if the .gov only consisted of the true liberals/democrats, we would have zero problems.

edit: To be clear, I blame both parties, and the underlying apathy and partisanship that have placed their respective candidates there.

 

[ComradeBeck]

The amount of hate coming from you is amazing

You think so? Liberals have been told we are communists, traitors, cowards,out to give away everything, out to keep minorites down, slaughter children, subvert society, in league with muslim terrorists, antichrists, and this is just the past decade.

The talk radio propaganda has been going on for 30 years demonizing Americans.

If you cannot handle a little criticism and feel a victim I dunno, man up then.

The right as I said has contributed nothing to debate anyhow in the past 30 years.

The right being butthurt really has no relevancy anyhow besides being in the way with the drama queen victim act.

Grow up and lose the soap opera or go back to fotoball, thats all it is about with the right anyhow.

 

[davmat787]

You think so? Liberals have been told we are communists, traitors, cowards,out to give away everything, out to keep minorites down, slaughter children, subvert society, in league with muslim terrorists, antichrists, and this is just the past decade.

The talk radio propaganda has been going on for 30 years demonizing Americans.

If you cannot handle a little criticism and feel a victim I dunno, man up then.

The right as I said has contributed nothing to debate anyhow in the past 30 years.

The right being butthurt really has no relevancy anyhow besides being in the way with the drama queen victim act.

Grow up and lose the soap opera or go back to fotoball, thats all it is about with the right anyhow.

See my edit above, I probably added that after you read the original. Anyway, my offense lies with the extreme partisan attitudes on display. I am not offended personally with any attack on the right or left, I have voted all over the map and on issues you will find I am all over the map.

I just don't see how any one ideology or party has all of the correct answers, or is always right. If OWS places blame on both parties, and seeks a bipartisan solution, then you have hijacked that message and are using it as a platform to spread your hate and to divide. Very effective method to get all of those people in the middle to side with you.

 

[Texashiker]

One thing is clear, regardless of right or left, both parties are to blame.

It appears to me that the simple solution, is to vote both parties out of office.

 

[davmat787]

One thing is clear, regardless of right or left, both parties are to blame.

It appears to me that the simple solution, is to vote both parties out of office.

I've often wondered if we should simply abolish parties all together, it seems like all we have to show for it is a giant pile of problems with everyone pointing the finger at the other for blame.

 

[wuliheron]

It seems that the poor get poorer and the middle class is dead. Corporations are laying off and out sourcing and still profiting.

When there are more people that can't find a job, there will be chaos. I think the rich will live in fear or have to higher protection companies for day to day life, or move to another country which I doubt they will do?

What do you think is going to happen if we continue the route we are going?

This is nothing new. The US has had periods throughout its history with the wealthy exploiting the system and the public to their advantage and causing the economy to regularly collapse as a result. The only exception was after the great depression when government finally stepped in and started regulating the assholes like they should have been doing all along. Then we had fifty years of relative stability until they deregulated everything again.

The obvious solution is for the government to start regulating the assholes again, but with all the money they use to bribe congress it could get worse before it gets better. If it doesn't all hell may break loose as people demand even more serious long term changes then either the government or big business are willing to make. In the meantime its the same old same old as people like the Tea Party, funded by billionaires, have to be dragged kicking and screaming back to reality or thrown into the Boston harbor.

Long term, the internationals and international markets need to be regulated. Deregulation is great for encouraging new markets, but these are predictors who will kill everything in sight if you don't eventually put them back on their leashes.

 

[cubby1223]

You think so? Liberals have been told we are communists, traitors, cowards,out to give away everything, out to keep minorites down, slaughter children, subvert society, in league with muslim terrorists, antichrists, and this is just the past decade.

Maybe you are, maybe you aren't, I don't know.

But I do know you are a major jackass who has serious problems interacting with other people. You would be better suited to take a deep look at the problems within yourself and solve those first before you go trying to "fix" other people.

(moderators, vacation please! )

 

[Craig234]

Why would you blame Republicans?

Bill Clinton did a flop-flop from his campaign promises and signed nafta and gatt. the treaty was then ratified by the senate.

I blame both parties.

Too bad it's too much for you to separate corporatist and progressive Dems.

 

[Texashiker]

Too bad it's too much for you to separate corporatist and progressive Dems.

I refuse to accept there is a difference between the two.

If there was a "real" difference, laws would get repealed from time to time. But that does not happen,