Just saw An Inconvenient Truth

[CPA]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: KillerCharlie
I believe global warming is the most serious issue right now, but I don't listen to a word Al Gore says. What makes him a reputable source on this stuff? He's a politician, not a scientist.

Because there are too many sceptic scientists for him to deal with.

Whoa! Why hasn't this been in the news? I know about once a month we have to read about groups of scientists (mostly social scientists) who are running around crying about global warming, but I've never heard about this group.

 

[CPA]

BTW, can someone explain to me how we know that the temperatures today are the hottest in history? Or is it just recorded climatology history? How do we know what the temperature was like 500, 1000, 10000 years ago? And if we don't, or if it's based on conjecture, then how can we state that we are experiencing the hottest temps in history?

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: CPA
BTW, can someone explain to me how we know that the temperatures today are the hottest in history? Or is it just recorded climatology history? How do we know what the temperature was like 500, 1000, 10000 years ago? And if we don't, or if it's based on conjecture, then how can we state that we are experiencing the hottest temps in history?

Ice core samples can tell us temperatures.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: ElFenix
3 to 10 million scientists and engineers and most of them are probably something other than a climatologist, so probably aren't decently qualified to have an expert opinion on this subject

Whereas all the people in this thread have their PhD's in climatology?

"Expert opinion", maybe not, but when we're discussing scientific issues, I think even a scientist speaking outside of his or her specialty tends to be right more often than some random yokel with an axe to grind. You can't study a scientific field without picking up a little knowledge about the rest of science, as well as the scientific method.

i'm guessing there are probably less than 1000 bona fide climatologists in the US.

and i know at least one (at colorado state) completely disagrees with the human-causation of global warming (putting the lie to the claim that all scientists agree).

and while there may be some overlap (say, meteorologist and climatologist, but then, weathermen are all liars), an electrical engineer has pretty much no basis for an expert opinion on climate change.

 

[IGBT]

..nothing more then a Convenient Deception. Algore been running around with the same enviro wack slide show for ten years. Only difference is his Hollywood idiot friends re-packaged it for him for a new and improved grift..food for suckers.

 

[QED]

I like Dennis Miller's take on this:

"Two hundred years ago we were still pooping in the woods without toilet paper, yet I'm supposed to believe we could measure temperatures accurately enough to know there's been a 0.2 degree change??

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: QED
I like Dennis Miller's take on this:

"Two hundred years ago we were still pooping in the woods without toilet paper, yet I'm supposed to believe we could measure temperatures accurately enough to know there's been a 0.2 degree change??

LOL :roll: they use ice core samples with oxygen isotopes to figure out the exact temperature of the atmosphere at that point. There are other similar scientific experiments that test CO2 in the atmosphere as well.

 

[gsellis]

All based on the Hockey stick model by Mann, et al. It just failed peer review for bad models, untested techniques, and poor statistical methods. Waiting for the transcript from the congressional committee report.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Ronstang
If that movie makes sense to you then you are not very bright. There is very little "truth" in the entire movie. Al Gore has never cared about the truth when it comes to his agenda. Read some of his books. The guy is way out in left field. He is a whacko.

left field, perhaps, but do you really think that the millions of scientists around the world (who are all much smarter than you) are wrong about global warming?

Actually, the general scientific community is saying it's pretty accurate. I haven't seen the movie, and I'm not pro environment either, but that's what's going around right now.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Ronstang
If that movie makes sense to you then you are not very bright. There is very little "truth" in the entire movie. Al Gore has never cared about the truth when it comes to his agenda. Read some of his books. The guy is way out in left field. He is a whacko.

left field, perhaps, but do you really think that the millions of scientists around the world (who are all much smarter than you) are wrong about global warming?

Actually, the general scientific community is saying it's pretty accurate. I haven't seen the movie, and I'm not pro environment either, but that's what's going around right now.

You're not pro environment? So you're anti environment?

 

[spasticnationboy]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Ronstang
If that movie makes sense to you then you are not very bright. There is very little "truth" in the entire movie. Al Gore has never cared about the truth when it comes to his agenda. Read some of his books. The guy is way out in left field. He is a whacko.

left field, perhaps, but do you really think that the millions of scientists around the world (who are all much smarter than you) are wrong about global warming?

Millions?

Umm, yeah, 3-10 million in the US alone, depending on how strictly you define "scientist".

I'm not claiming that all scientists agree about global warming, but almost all will agree it's a real effect, one way or the other.

3 to 10 million scientists and engineers and most of them are probably something other than a climatologist, so probably aren't decently qualified to have an expert opinion on this subject

maybe not, but they did stay at a Holiday Inn.

That would be a Holiday Inn Express... regular Holiday Inn's make you dumber for having stayed there.......

 

[BlancoNino]

Of course you have to realize that a lot of scientists will play along with global warming because it will keep them in work.

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..nothing more then a Convenient Deception. Algore been running around with the same enviro wack slide show for ten years. Only difference is his Hollywood idiot friends re-packaged it for him for a new and improved grift..food for suckers.

i don't understand this argument. let's imagine for a moment that global warming wasn't a major concern. what exactly would be so bad in cleaning up the environment, keeping our landscapes, and having more efficient homes and automobiles? i for one, would love to save money on gas and have a clean city. wouldn't you?


=|

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: CPA
BTW, can someone explain to me how we know that the temperatures today are the hottest in history? Or is it just recorded climatology history? How do we know what the temperature was like 500, 1000, 10000 years ago? And if we don't, or if it's based on conjecture, then how can we state that we are experiencing the hottest temps in history?

Ice core samples can tell us temperatures.

um, no.

the answer to his question is: they can't know what the temps were. They guess, assume and ponder. The only real climate data they have only goes back 100 years. That is the truth. The rest is supposition and hearsay.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: IGBT
..nothing more then a Convenient Deception. Algore been running around with the same enviro wack slide show for ten years. Only difference is his Hollywood idiot friends re-packaged it for him for a new and improved grift..food for suckers.

i don't understand this argument. let's imagine for a moment that global warming wasn't a major concern. what exactly would be so bad in cleaning up the environment, keeping our landscapes, and having more efficient homes and automobiles? i for one, would love to save money on gas and have a clean city. wouldn't you?


=|

So you support deception as a means to an end?

Seriously, I care about the environment. I try to do my part by recycling and not wasting gas. I don't waste water and try to conserve power and resources whenever possible. I agree that human have an impact on global temperatures. I agree that global warming is true. However, I don't believe that humans are causing radical shifts in the climate of the earth. I don't see enough evidence to support that theory. All I see is data that says that the world is getting warmer. Big deal. There are millions of factors that could be playing a role in our climate.
I also believe that the data is being manipulated to fit certain agendas. Someone posted a link to Michael Crichton earlier. I agree with lots of what he says. He has the same position that I have (see above), but he shows that the data isn't always pure. It's not just evil corporations that are trying to push their agendas, it is also the environmental movement and we should scritinize them just as we do to corporations. I agree.

I would guess that over 90% of all news that you see on TV is bad news. Someplace got bombed, someone got killed, there was a massive accident on the highway, etc... Does this mean that over 90% of everything that happens in the world is bad? No. It's just what we see the most of.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Of course you have to realize that a lot of scientists will play along with global warming because it will keep them in work.

Contrary to what you seem to believe, the vast majority of scientists don't do any work related to global warming, and so have nothing to gain from supporting something that goes against their principles if it's false.

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
um, no.

the answer to his question is: they can't know what the temps were. They guess, assume and ponder. The only real climate data they have only goes back 100 years. That is the truth. The rest is supposition and hearsay.

And yet you live in a fairly airtight, well-insulated house that stays hot in the winter and cool in the summer, has plenty of light in any room at the flip of a switch, and can detect a fire and alert the inhabitants; you drive a vehicle which can quietly, safely, and comfortably travel at 80MPH, day after day, and you use a phenomenally complex calculation machine built on principles that most people can only dimly comprehend to communicate with people around the globe about your opinions.

Looks like all that guessing, assuming, and pondering worked out OK after all:roll:

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Toasthead

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Oh my goodness global warming is coming. Oh wait, it's just summer.

Dumbass. Explain to me WTF in the last 15 years were the hottest temps on record recorded? It's fscking 115 in california, I can't remember when it's been this hot at all. Yea sure it's summer, right ok... :roll:

Okay so If it global warming causing this then why was the record in sacramento of 114 set in 1924?!!?!?!?


you cant jsut say 'Oh its HOT....MUST BE GLOBAL WARMING!!!'

Thats just ignorant and stupid.

Dumbasses, It's been 115 for the past two ****** weeks, tell me when THAT has ever happend? In walnut creek, tell me when this has happened? I can't ****** remember. Take a look at your ****** newspaper and you'll see what I'm talking about. You look at mexico and it's only a few degrees warmer, like in the 80s, look at california and it's ****** scorching. California summers are known to be in the low 90s, they don't get hot, thats why people like living here numb nuts. The records we're breaking every year are records set either over 80 years ago or were set in the last 15 years ago, hmmm sounds like somethings going on... :roll: ****** idiots.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: CPA
BTW, can someone explain to me how we know that the temperatures today are the hottest in history? Or is it just recorded climatology history? How do we know what the temperature was like 500, 1000, 10000 years ago? And if we don't, or if it's based on conjecture, then how can we state that we are experiencing the hottest temps in history?

Watch the friggen movie.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: IGBT
..nothing more then a Convenient Deception. Algore been running around with the same enviro wack slide show for ten years. Only difference is his Hollywood idiot friends re-packaged it for him for a new and improved grift..food for suckers.

i don't understand this argument. let's imagine for a moment that global warming wasn't a major concern. what exactly would be so bad in cleaning up the environment, keeping our landscapes, and having more efficient homes and automobiles? i for one, would love to save money on gas and have a clean city. wouldn't you?


=|

So you support deception as a means to an end?

Seriously, I care about the environment. I try to do my part by recycling and not wasting gas. I don't waste water and try to conserve power and resources whenever possible. I agree that human have an impact on global temperatures. I agree that global warming is true. However, I don't believe that humans are causing radical shifts in the climate of the earth. I don't see enough evidence to support that theory. All I see is data that says that the world is getting warmer. Big deal. There are millions of factors that could be playing a role in our climate.
I also believe that the data is being manipulated to fit certain agendas. Someone posted a link to Michael Crichton earlier. I agree with lots of what he says. He has the same position that I have (see above), but he shows that the data isn't always pure. It's not just evil corporations that are trying to push their agendas, it is also the environmental movement and we should scritinize them just as we do to corporations. I agree.

I would guess that over 90% of all news that you see on TV is bad news. Someplace got bombed, someone got killed, there was a massive accident on the highway, etc... Does this mean that over 90% of everything that happens in the world is bad? No. It's just what we see the most of.

How about you just watch the movie and decide for your self. The data in the movie would seem to suggest otherwise, remember that ice age happens every few years (in the grand scheme of things) while the temperature outline and CO2 outline was for 650K years..

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Of course you have to realize that a lot of scientists will play along with global warming because it will keep them in work.

I hear that the fossil fuel industry pays quite well too.