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I'm against the death penalty. However, based on the testimony I think the guilty verdict was deserved.
Unless I'm missing details, he planned the murders. He basically used someone else hand to do the deed.

Court Rejects Appeal of Triple Murderer Who Got Nine Death Sentences
By JEN DeGREGORIO
Capital News Service
Wednesday, April 21, 2004
WASHINGTON - A federal appeals court has denied a triple murderer's request for a retrial in the 1996 kidnapping and slaying of three women in the Patuxent National Wildlife Refuge.

Dustin John Higgs claimed that the government violated his right to a fair trial when it failed to inform him of evidence from an accomplice's trial, evidence that Higgs said would shed new light on the case.

But a panel of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said Tuesday that the evidence against Higgs was indisputable and that a retrial would not likely reverse his conviction or the jury's decision to impose nine death sentences on him.

While the evidence from accomplice Willis Mark Haynes' trial may have cast more doubt on Haynes -- the triggerman, who got life in prison -- it would not have lessened Higgs' crime, the appeals court said.

Higgs, Haynes and Victor Gloria were at Higgs' Laurel apartment on the night of Jan. 26, 1996, with Tanji Jackson, Tamika Black and Mishann Chinn, all from Washington, D.C. But Higgs and Jackson began fighting, and she threatened him with a kitchen knife.

The women ran out of the apartment, with Jackson yelling that she would get even with Higgs. As he watched from the window, he saw Jackson stop and write down the license plate number of his van.

Higgs grabbed his coat, a .38-caliber pistol and told Haynes and Gloria to come along. They drove to where the women were walking and Haynes convinced them to get in the van for a ride back to the District.

But Higgs drove instead to the Patuxent refuge, where he pulled over and ordered the women out of the car. He then handed his pistol to Haynes, who got out and shot all three women.

A passing driver noticed the bodies on the roadside later that morning, and police found Jackson's notebook nearby with Higgs' address and his van's tag number inside.

But it was not until Gloria was arrested two years later on a drug charge that police were able to arrest Haynes and Higgs. The two were indicted in December 1998 on charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and use of firearms in the commission of a violent crime, but tried separately in 2000.

At trial, Haynes conceded that he pulled the trigger, but said he was pressured by Higgs to shoot the women.

"The theory was . . . that Mr. Haynes was under Mr. Higgs' influence and may have been acting out as a result of orders he received from Mr. Higgs," said Joshua Treem, the lawyer who represented Haynes.

"He was more or less taken in by Mr. Higgs. They were living together at the time. Or had been on and off for a period of time," Treem said. "Obviously he had some role in his life, some influential role."

But prosecutors also interviewed two Charles County Detention Center inmates who said Haynes claimed a bigger role in the killings.

One inmate said Haynes claimed to be a partner with Higgs, and that they murdered the women because the victims owed them drug money. Another said Haynes "had to kill" one of the women because she was trying to set him up.

But Higgs' lawyer said he only learned of those witnesses after reviewing Haynes' trial record -- after Higgs had been convicted and sentenced to death.

The attorney, Timothy Joseph Sullivan, said the inmates' statements would have made Haynes and Higgs "equally culpable" in the eyes of the jury. The government's failure to provide those statements violated the "Brady rule," which requires full disclosure of evidence, he said, and for that reason Higgs should get a new trial.

The appeals court disagreed, saying that a Brady violation only occurs when "there is a reasonable probability that the suppressed evidence would have produced a different verdict." The court said there was nothing in the statement that "contradicts the overwhelming evidence of Higgs' predominant role" in the case.

"We don't believe that the 4th Circuit was correct in its analysis," Sullivan said.

If jurors had heard that testimony, he said, they might not have held Higgs so responsible and may have given him a lesser sentence. Sullivan said he plans to appeal to the Supreme Court.
-30- CNS 04-21-04




 
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Jaskalas

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He was party to the kidnapping and murder of 3 people.
The crime fits the punishment.

Is there any doubt as to his involvement, being present at the murders?
I haven't heard any doubt. So far as I see it the punishment stands.
 
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I'm still against the death penalty, even for this guy. I'd rather 100 guilty get not-murdered by the state, than one innocent. Which still happens all too frequently.

I've worked on innocence project cases, I've seen the shady shit the prosecution gets up to. And the media repeats it as facts. I don't even trust the account above. And don't get me started on the appalling so-called "scientific expert testimony"!
 
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^^^ Guys, my bad. I was focusing on the sub:

"The outgoing Trump administration will have killed more prisoners since July than any other administration has done in a full year since 1896."
 
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I'm still against the death penalty, even for this guy. I'd rather 100 guilty get not-murdered by the state, then one innocent. Which still happens all too frequently.

I've worked on innocence project cases, I've seen the shady shit the prosecution gets up to. And the media repeats it as facts. I don't even trust the account above. And don't get me started on the appalling so-called "scientific expert testimony"!
This is why I'm against the death penalty from a practical perspective. Morally I'm fine with it, in theory, but the application is obviously very skewed, uneven and often wrong.

Here is a question for you, though, is there something like the innocence project for people that just get life? I've wondered whether I'd you're innocent if it's actually better to be sentenced to death because there are charities that help them.
 
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^^^ Guys, my bad. I was focusing on the sub:

"The outgoing Trump administration will have killed more prisoners since July than any other administration has done in a full year since 1896."
Fair enough. But I'm not sure that's a particular feature of the administration though? It's not the federal government that decide who gets executed (at least only very rarely). What's the connection?
 
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Fair enough. But I'm not sure that's a particular feature of the administration though? It's not the federal government that decide who gets executed (at least only very rarely). What's the connection?
Also, the US population is currently the highest it's ever been, and there's a backlog of executions due to COVID and the fact that federal executions have been on hold for 17 years, and so on...

I mean, yeah, it's a catchy headline, but as much as I hate what Trump stands for, this is more a function of simply restarting legal executions. I disagree with it, but it's legal.
 
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Fair enough. But I'm not sure that's a particular feature of the administration though? It's not the federal government that decide who gets executed (at least only very rarely). What's the connection?
Read the sentence I quoted again. Federal crimes receive federal sentences.
The outgoing Trump administration will have killed more prisoners since July than any other administration has done in a full year since 1896
 
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^^^ Guys, my bad. I was focusing on the sub:

"The outgoing Trump administration will have killed more prisoners since July than any other administration has done in a full year since 1896."
It is appalling and disgusting. What a sick legacy.
 

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Read the sentence I quoted again. Federal crimes receive federal sentences.
The outgoing Trump administration will have killed more prisoners since July than any other administration has done in a full year since 1896
I see, my bad. So more cruelty from the always cruel right ideology. Sometimes it's so pretty it's as if they're trying as hard as they can to become an evil empire
 

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The problem with the death penalty is those that could get executed that are truly innocent. There are people who have spent a lifetime in jail who have been found innocent decades later due to the advancements in technology such as DNA testing. There is no getting released if exonerated decades late, if you have already been executed.
 

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The problem with the death penalty is those that could get executed that are truly innocent. There are people who have spent a lifetime in jail who have been found innocent decades later due to the advancements in technology such as DNA testing. There is no getting released if exonerated decades late, if you have already been executed.
This is why I have always been against the death penalty.
 
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What every killing has in common with every other killing is the feeling that the person being killed deserves it.
For some this raised the question that it might be that it is the killing that is wrong. What people who kill differ on is the validity of the justification for the killing. There is an easy way more civilized cultures render that question moot.
 

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My objection to the death penalty is twofold.

One, similar to other objections here, there are too many people that are incorrectly incarcerated.

Two, while I've no moral objection to people being put to death by the state, I don't think it's as severe a punishment as life in prison. Given that I don't think there's an afterlife, the finality of the death penalty is insufficient punishment compared to a lifetime of solitary contemplation and lack of freedoms.
 

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twjr:Given that I don't think there's an afterlife, the finality of the death penalty is insufficient punishment compared to a lifetime of solitary contemplation and lack of freedoms.

I agree with this, too.

I also don't believe the state should have the right to terminate the life of it's citizens. This is only my opinion.
 

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^^^ Guys, my bad. I was focusing on the sub:

"The outgoing Trump administration will have killed more prisoners since July than any other administration has done in a full year since 1896."

One of the unfortunate side effects of the never-ending Trump twit storm and his near continuous string of outrageous statements is that too often the actual bad things he does are too frequently overlooked as not being sexy enough news. This is a prime example. I was not aware that there was even a single federal execution this year, much less setting a record.

It's like Trump is trying to supplant Red China as the most murderous regime.
 

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One of the unfortunate side effects of the never-ending Trump twit storm and his near continuous string of outrageous statements is that too often the actual bad things he does are too frequently overlooked as not being sexy enough news. This is a prime example. I was not aware that there was even a single federal execution this year, much less setting a record.

It's like Trump is trying to supplant Red China as the most murderous regime.
Considering that China refuses to disclose its numbers, and Amnesty International and other watchdog groups estimate that China’s executions are annually in the 1000s, I don’t see that happening.
 
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The words of Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun's 1994 dissent in Furman v. Georgia stir me to this day. At the age of 85, and having supported the right of the state to extinguish the lives of its citizens his entire judicial career, he finally came to see the futility and ugliness of state sanctioned murder:

"From this day forward,” Justice Harry Blackmun announced in 1994, “I no longer shall tinker with the machinery of death.”

From the article:

"Justice Blackmun's remarkable 7,000-word statement was aimed toward a future in which, he said, the Court would realize that the effort to administer the death penalty fairly and consistently was "doomed to failure."

"I may not live to see that day," he said, "but I have faith that eventually it will arrive."

^^^ Personally, I yearn for a return to the time when, however naively, I could LOOK UP to our leaders as leaders . . . as men (and now, finally, women) of vision, compassion and moral probity.
 
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So instead of having them sit on death row the punishment they were sentenced to in court was actually carried out?

OH THE HORRORS! What a savage person to carry out what a court decided!
 

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So instead of having them sit on death row the punishment they were sentenced to in court was actually carried out?

OH THE HORRORS! What a savage person to carry out what a court decided!
WHOOSH!

It's almost as if you take the very idea of state-sanctioned murder as a harmless and totally fair given, and not the barbaric relic of some "eye for an eye" Old Testament bullshit.
 
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WHOOSH!

It's almost as if you take the very idea of state-sanctioned murder as a harmless and totally fair given, and not the barbaric relic of some "eye for an eye" Old Testament bullshit.

Let's see how you feel when you're a direct person that suffered from the likes of....

Kidnap, rape, and murder of 16-year-old Jennifer Long. Purkey then dismembered and burned her body and scattered the remains into a septic pond. He was also convicted of the murder of 80-year-old polio patient, Mary Ruth Bales.

Kidnap, rape, and murder of 10-year-old Pamela Butler on October 12, 1999.

Kidnap, rape, and murder of 16-year-old Lisa Rene in 1994.



Let's see how you feel then - eh? But you have the nerve - as someone that has absolutely no involvement in that suffering to dictate what should happen to that person?

That, is what is truly sickening.
 
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Let's see how you feel when you're a direct person that suffered from the likes of....

Let's see how you feel then - eh? But you have the nerve - as someone that has absolutely no involvement in that suffering to dictate what should happen to that person?

That, is what is truly sickening.
So to be clear you think sentences for crimes should be dictated by victims?
 
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