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[Perknose]

Let's see how you feel then - eh? But you have the nerve - as someone that has absolutely no involvement in that suffering to dictate what should happen to that person?

An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind.

Your idea of "justice" is rooted in primitive blood lust and retribution. You have no idea what the true meaning of the word is. I pity the ugliness alive in your soul.

It takes TRUE courage and moral steel to forgive. I would only hope I could do so, even as I don't really know that I could.

But I do know this: Harboring thoughts of revenge in your heart is like taking poison yourself and hoping the other person will die.

A hallmark of a truly civilized society is the extension of mercy and forgiveness, of protection and inclusion, to every single person, no exceptions. None.

When will the rabid right-wingers among us wake up to the truth that WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

If only the self-advertised "Christians" among us would live up the Golden Rule: Treat others as you would like to be treated.

Empathy, dude. Get some. It will make you a better person.

 

[Starbuck1975]

An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind.

Your idea of "justice" is rooted in primitive blood lust and retribution. You have no idea what the true meaning of the word is. I pity the ugliness alive in your soul.

It takes TRUE courage and moral steel to forgive. I would only hope I could do so, even as I don't really know that I could.

But I do know this: Harboring thoughts of revenge in your heart is like taking poison yourself and hoping the other person will die.

A hallmark of a truly civilized society is the extension of mercy and forgiveness, of protection and inclusion, to every single person, no exceptions. None.

When will the rabid right-wingers among us wake up to the truth that WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

If only the self-advertised "Christians" among us would live up the Golden Rule: Treat others as you would like to be treated.

Empathy, dude. Get some. It will make you a better person.

Do you forgive Derek Chauvin? Yes, capital punishment is primitive and barbaric, but we are also a society of laws, and what we don’t want is people taking justice into their own hands. Premeditated murder is pure evil. Regardless, it is shocking that Trump decided to go on a capital punishment spree, but the crimes committed by the condemned are horrific as well.

 

[Perknose]

Do you forgive Derek Chauvin?

All these appeals to blood lust revenge do not move me off of my desire to be a better person, living in a hopefully more civilized society.

Specifically, I believe Chauvin has forfeited his right to be a police officer, and that he must be appropriately held to account for the callous indifference that caused the death of George Floyd.

By law, I would call this, not murder, but some sort of manslaughter, for which he should spend a few years in prison. Not 20 or 30, for what good does decades of incarceration do anyone?

Some people need to be removed from society, for they present an ongoing danger to the rest of us. Stripped of his badge, that is not Chauvin, as low level of a human being as he may be.

 

[herm0016]

a bunch of people sentenced to death over the last decades and under several presidents of both parties, and its all trumps doing! huh. I don't support capital punishment, but blaming it all on trump seems a bit misguided. though, i expect nothing less from the beast.

If the courts have decided, and the appeals have been decided, ( most before this admin ever came to be), then the sentence should be carried out.

I would totally support a SC decision that capital punishment be banned. The system has not changed, under any administration.

I also agree with perk on Chauvin. the prisons are full because we are overzealous and demand revenge on a societal level. not only for real crime, but for all kinds of "crimes" that have no victim and have not taken away the natural rights of any living thing. position of drugs being the most heinous of the crimes levied against the people by the state.

 

[Pohemi]

a bunch of people sentenced to death over the last decades and under several presidents of both parties, and its all trumps doing! huh. I don't support capital punishment, but blaming it all on trump seems a bit misguided. though, i expect nothing less from the beast.

Nice mischaracterization, clownshoes.

 

[Starbuck1975]

All these appeals to blood lust revenge do not move me off of my desire to be a better person, living in a hopefully more civilized society.

Specifically, I believe Chauvin has forfeited his right to be a police officer, and that he must be appropriately held to account for the callous indifference that caused the death of George Floyd.

By law, I would call this, not murder, but some sort of manslaughter, for which he should spend a few years in prison. Not 20 or 30, for what good does decades of incarceration do anyone?

Some people need to be removed from society, for they present an ongoing danger to the rest of us. Stripped of his badge, that is not Chauvin, as low level of a human being as he may be.

Thank you. We as a society need to focus less on punishment and more on rehabilitation, for which there is also a mental health component.

 

[Greenman]

An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind.

Your idea of "justice" is rooted in primitive blood lust and retribution. You have no idea what the true meaning of the word is. I pity the ugliness alive in your soul.

It takes TRUE courage and moral steel to forgive. I would only hope I could do so, even as I don't really know that I could.

But I do know this: Harboring thoughts of revenge in your heart is like taking poison yourself and hoping the other person will die.

A hallmark of a truly civilized society is the extension of mercy and forgiveness, of protection and inclusion, to every single person, no exceptions. None.

When will the rabid right-wingers among us wake up to the truth that WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

If only the self-advertised "Christians" among us would live up the Golden Rule: Treat others as you would like to be treated.

Empathy, dude. Get some. It will make you a better person.

Retribution isn't always a bad thing. But it's my opinion that there are some people so badly damaged they're beyond redemption. That said, government shouldn't have the right to take a life as punishment. Those deemed guilty of the most heinous crimes should spend their entire lives behind bars.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

Let's see how you feel when you're a direct person that suffered from the likes of....









Let's see how you feel then - eh? But you have the nerve - as someone that has absolutely no involvement in that suffering to dictate what should happen to that person?

That, is what is truly sickening.

I don't understand how the person being killed vs life in prison is any "better" for the victims. (not that victims should decide what happens anyway, that's an absurd idea)

 

[hal2kilo]

So instead of having them sit on death row the punishment they were sentenced to in court was actually carried out?

OH THE HORRORS! What a savage person to carry out what a court decided!

Your hate has made you powerful - YouTube

 

[Mai72]

We've got to show love. 🙏

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So you're horrified that President Trump is actually carrying out the sentences of the legitimate Federal Courts instead of the Court of leftist political correctness and media correctness?

BTW what are the actual numbers involved? 5 executions? 10 ? You seem to be tap dancing around the actual numbers and what they did to get the sentence they earned.

 

[Moonbeam]

I would think that our attitudes toward the death penalty might have something to do with how we respond to loss. Those with a strong sense of ego entitlement may wish for an eye for an eye whereas those who believe we are all God's children might wish for the minimum of suffering from all concerned. Attitude, it seems to me is everything.

If so perhaps what is truth isn't what is written in stone in the sky but what gives a person piece of mind. And is that is so then blessed are the meek for they alone will not carry the burden of hate.

Have you ever looked at what your attitude might be and why?

 

[manly]

All these appeals to blood lust revenge do not move me off of my desire to be a better person, living in a hopefully more civilized society.

Specifically, I believe Chauvin has forfeited his right to be a police officer, and that he must be appropriately held to account for the callous indifference that caused the death of George Floyd.

By law, I would call this, not murder, but some sort of manslaughter, for which he should spend a few years in prison. Not 20 or 30, for what good does decades of incarceration do anyone?

Some people need to be removed from society, for they present an ongoing danger to the rest of us. Stripped of his badge, that is not Chauvin, as low level of a human being as he may be.

A few years for a homicide? Legally, it's not first degree murder. Second degree is debatable, but not entirely a stretch. I'm no sentencing expert, but at least 10 years seems appropriate. Dallas cop Amber Guyger got 10 years for the murder of Botham Jean (although I'd argue the details of that case are more disturbing than George Floyd).

 

[Perknose]

You seem to be tap dancing around the actual numbers and what they did to get the sentence they earned.

Oh, please! No one tap dances around actual facts like you do, twinkle toes!

 

[Perknose]

A few years for a homicide? Legally, it's not first degree murder. Second degree is debatable, but not entirely a stretch. I'm no sentencing expert, but at least 10 years seems appropriate. Dallas cop Amber Guyger got 10 years for the murder of Botham Jean (although I'd argue the details of that case are more disturbing than George Floyd).

From the outside in, I also feel Amber's act was EVEN more disturbing than the death of Floyd.

Nevertheless, I do not consider Chauvin's act to be, legally, murder. Depraved indifference? You bet! But murder involves intent, and as much of a racist asshole that Chauvin is, I don't believe he intended to end the life, on camera, of Floyd that day.

And I am continually (positively) stunned by the lesser length of sentences other countries hand out for captial crimes. Unless the intent is 100% to keep a really bad and unrehabilitable person off the streets -- one who would rape or murder again without compunction when let out -- what better good does 10 years behind bars do that 5 years wouldn't do?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Oh, please! No one tap dances around actual facts like you do, twinkle toes!

How so? You just did..........again.

The rule of Law should require the President to carry out the laws as stated or to intervene as allowed by law. You seem to want public opinion, or your own opinion, to over rule what should be done according to the laws of the land.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

In the interests of being accurate, honest and informative. The actual number of torturers and murderers and all around really bad people that may be executed by this administration is .............13.

DOJ set to execute 5 federal prisoners before Inauguration Day | CNN Politics

With fewer than 60 days until President-elect Joe Biden takes office, the Trump administration has set an unprecedented record of scheduling the most federal inmates for execution during the last leg of a presidential term.

www.cnn.com

 

[Moonbeam]

So you're horrified that President Trump is actually carrying out the sentences of the legitimate Federal Courts instead of the Court of leftist political correctness and media correctness?

BTW what are the actual numbers involved? 5 executions? 10 ? You seem to be tap dancing around the actual numbers and what they did to get the sentence they earned.

Perhaps you have tap-danced around why you feel a need to characterize the opinions of the left in negative terms. You do know it's just a matter of having been inculcated to have that need. If you look within, which will not be very easy for you, you will find no facts at all that support your opinion. Your feelings are beyond your conscious control. We are all puppets animated by strings that run into our long forgotten and deeply repressed past. But there is one option you can bring to bear and that is to not take your absolute certainty seriously. You can know it for what it is, baggage you don't know how to let go of. We are all the same, the left and the right opposite sides of the same coin, ideologues clinging to our wet dreams. And there is nobody you can blame for this. You have no more guilt than anybody else. Only in love is there unity.

 

[UNCjigga]

Panic liquidation, perfectly normal...

It’s only evil if they were unwanted zygotes, not fully formed human beings. The Bible told me so.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Perhaps you have tap-danced around why you feel a need to characterize the opinions of the left in negative terms. You do know it's just a matter of having been inculcated to have that need. If you look within, which will not be very easy for you, you will find no facts at all that support your opinion. Your feelings are beyond your conscious control. We are all puppets animated by strings that run into our long forgotten and deeply repressed past. But there is one option you can bring to bear and that is to not take your absolute certainty seriously. You can know it for what it is, baggage you don't know how to let go of. We are all the same, the left and the right opposite sides of the same coin, ideologues clinging to our wet dreams. And there is nobody you can blame for this. You have no more guilt than anybody else. Only in love is there unity.

True, which is why I love you Moonie.

 

[Jaskalas]

what better good does 10 years behind bars do that 5 years wouldn't do?

10 feels more like a lifetime than 5.

It also ensures that the aging process has properly worked on the person in prison. To remove them from the place and time of their crime. To change their mind and offer repentance. To slow them down and return to society a different person who would hopefully make better choices. I appreciate it could be narrowed down to a science on a case by case basis. Maybe soon an AI profile and brain scan could literally tell us a proper duration but I digress....

Guyger is an interesting case. An innocent man gunned down in his own home. What IS the proper sentence for that? Some folks never believed in her claim of accident and act like it was premeditated first degree murder. They want a fitting punishment for that instead. Long story short, sentences are not easy when even the truth is in question. Could science help us narrow it down some day?

 

[Pohemi]

So you're horrified that President Trump is actually carrying out the sentences of the legitimate Federal Courts instead of the Court of leftist political correctness and media correctness?
BTW what are the actual numbers involved? 5 executions? 10 ? You seem to be tap dancing around the actual numbers and what they did to get the sentence they earned.

It helps if you read what people post and the articles they link. The count was not hard to find. Keep projecting your shortcomings onto others though.

How so? You just did..........again.

More projection.

In the interests of being accurate, honest and informative. The actual number of torturers and murderers and all around really bad people that may be executed by this administration is .............13.

13 just since July. And as far as YOU being "accurate, honest, and informative"? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Good one.

Fucking clown.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

It’s only evil if they were unwanted zygotes, not fully formed human beings. The Bible told me so.

In that case you'd know the difference between murder and justice. Look it up

It helps if you read what people post and the articles they link. The count was not hard to find. Keep projecting your shortcomings onto others though.


More projection.


13 just since July. And as far as YOU being "accurate, honest, and informative"? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Good one.

Fucking clown.

"Fucking Clown" ohhh, i am so hurt by this baseless slander.

 

[Moonbeam]

True, which is why I love you Moonie.

Thank you very much. It is my wish as a liberal that none who act out with violence are, with as little violence as possible, ever allowed to do so again. In times gone by there was only the death penalty that could assure that where there was no such thing as state run prisons, such people would never get a second chance.

Things are different today. And, given life and time to develop, those born in dark places may even be given an chance to see the light. To deny the chance of redemption to those who had joy stolen from them as children through no fault of their own seems wrong to me.

The problem, of course, is that there will always be, in a more forgiving system, the temptation to fake regret. But for those who experience the real thing I believe there will be an intent to share it. That can be done even in prison and some lifers in prison seem to me to have made that their aim.

 

[Pohemi]

"Fucking Clown" ohhh, i am so hurt by this baseless slander.

Baseless? Slander?

I do not think those words mean what you think they mean.

That would imply that the statement was false, and yet we all know you're a fucking clown. You show it continually.