just watched "Bowling for Columbine"

pookguy88

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all i gotta say is, wow.

one of the best documentaries i've seen in awhile. I've never thought about the angle that Moore took in this documentary, that is fear. And from watching this documentary I kinda get a little more understanding now of why Americans like to shoot each other....
hopefully this documentary gets circulated to younger Americans who need to see it most.

PS, is it me.. or does Moore absolutely rip into Charleton Heston in this documentary?
 

Piano Man

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Originally posted by: pookguy88
all i gotta say is, wow.

one of the best documentaries i've seen in awhile. I've never thought about the angle that Moore took in this documentary, that is fear. And from watching this documentary I kinda get a little more understanding now of why Americans like to shoot each other....
hopefully this documentary gets circulated to younger Americans who need to see it most.

PS, is it me.. or does Moore absolutely rip into Charleton Heston in this documentary?



Great movie, and yes, he makes Heston look like a fool.
 

Damage

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Haven't seen it yet.. but some others have

Review #1

Review #2

As for Heston looking like a fool.. It's pretty easy to rip a guy who admitted to the world he has Alzhiemers.. Picking on him REALLY makes me want to support Moore (NOT). Try that with Larry Elder a black Libertarian who is trying to get Moore on his show to have a real debate, and so far Moore has ducked him for 115 days.. Larry has a counter on his website to keep track of the amount of time..
 

bmd

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Originally posted by: Damage
Haven't seen it yet.. but some others have

Review #1

Review #2

As for Heston looking like a fool.. It's pretty easy to rip a guy who admitted to the world he has Alzhiemers.. Picking on him REALLY makes me want to support Moore (NOT). Try that with Larry Elder a black Libertarian who is trying to get Moore on his show to have a real debate, and so far Moore has ducked him for 115 days.. Larry has a counter on his website to keep track of the amount of time..
Alzheimers or not... you have to admit some of the stuff Heston has pulled in the past has been incredibly insensitive and in extremely poor taste, completely disregarding grieving families' feelings. I'm not particularly pro-gun control or pro-guns, but holding NRA rallies days (or a week or 2? I can't remember) in towns where there have just been school shootings... that's just incredibly insensitive.
 

Miramonti

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I can't wait till the nra starts pimping the idea that owning these is a right guarenteed by the constitution.
 

ggavinmoss

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Originally posted by: Damage
Haven't seen it yet.. but some others have

Review #1

Review #2

As for Heston looking like a fool.. It's pretty easy to rip a guy who admitted to the world he has Alzhiemers.. Picking on him REALLY makes me want to support Moore (NOT). Try that with Larry Elder a black Libertarian who is trying to get Moore on his show to have a real debate, and so far Moore has ducked him for 115 days.. Larry has a counter on his website to keep track of the amount of time..

I'm pretty sure that the documentary was shot before Heston admitted he had Alzheimer's disease. That's not to say it wouldn't be a factor, but it means Moore isn't "picking" on someone with Alzheimer's. And I've since seen Heston give interview where he was able to make cogent arguments, so I'm willing to wager the disease didn't affect his ability to respond to Moore.

-geoff

 

TheShiz

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it is a pretty good movie. I wish this type of thing was mainstream instead of the garbage that is put out all the time. As this doc shows fear works, if you want people to mobalize for your cause, make them afraid of 3rd world countries that pose very little threat to us, instead of dealing with real problems.

Tim
 

Czar

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liked it overall, it started getting stupid in the end, expecialy where he made all that fiasco with "the returning of the bullets"

the cartoon was the best
 

Damage

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I haven't seen the movie, so I can't comment on whether it was an ambush attack or not (as was alledged in the reviews I posted).

I would also NOT call Heston insensitive for going ahead with the NRA Convention (not a rally) that was planned for over a year. It wasn't his decision only. The touchy-feely may feel it's "insensitive", I however do not. The community wasn't complaining before, and was looking forward to some signifigant tourism revenue. It took two Hitler woshipers to turn good upstanding citizens of the community against the rights of the good upstanding citizens who happen to be NRA members. Tell me how this is right?
 

hagbard

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Originally posted by: Damage
Haven't seen it yet.. but some others have

Review #1

Review #2

As for Heston looking like a fool.. It's pretty easy to rip a guy who admitted to the world he has Alzhiemers.. Picking on him REALLY makes me want to support Moore (NOT). Try that with Larry Elder a black Libertarian who is trying to get Moore on his show to have a real debate, and so far Moore has ducked him for 115 days.. Larry has a counter on his website to keep track of the amount of time..

Was the movie made before or after Heston announced his alzheimers? I've never had much use for Moore (I too am a libertarian), but I'm starting to warm up to him as of late. I just visited Elder's website, he doesn't sound like a libertarian to me, more like a Republican.






 

tcsenter

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I'm pretty sure that the documentary was shot before Heston admitted he had Alzheimer's disease. That's not to say it wouldn't be a factor, but it means Moore isn't "picking" on someone with Alzheimer's. And I've since seen Heston give interview where he was able to make cogent arguments, so I'm willing to wager the disease didn't affect his ability to respond to Moore.
The interview was shot before Heston announced he had Alzheimer's, so Moore wasn't knowingly picking on someone with Alzheimer's, no.

However, its not as though one day you have Alzheimer's then spend the rest of your days drooling in a wheelchair. The disease begins as infrequent and fleeting bouts of confusion, loss of concentration, stammering, memory loss, among other signs, which permeate through normal levels of coherency and clarity. This continues to progress slowly over many months and in most cases a few years until these symptoms have completely encroached upon your entire day. Its not a disease which renders someone a vegetable in a few week's time.

The first signs are typically little more than an annoyance and are often confused for 'normal' forgetfulness, loss of vigilance and concentration with aging so the patient may not seek help for months.
Alzheimers or not... you have to admit some of the stuff Heston has pulled in the past has been incredibly insensitive and in extremely poor taste, completely disregarding grieving families' feelings. I'm not particularly pro-gun control or pro-guns, but holding NRA rallies days (or a week or 2? I can't remember) in towns where there have just been school shootings... that's just incredibly insensitive.
The only fair thing for those who believe the NRA should have canceled their annual meeting to do is break out their wallets and pay for the millions of dollars the NRA would lose in cancellation fees, the millions of dollars planned attendees would lose in cancelled hotel room fees, cancelled airline ticket fees, and compensation for the time off work that was wasted because a handful of stupid people would EXPLOIT a tragedy to stop the NRA from having a convention.

When you cancel airline tickets, train tickets, hotel reservations, banquet center reservations, meeting room reservations, et. al. at the last minute, you lose your deposits or incur a cancellation fee. Thousands of people took vacation or compensation time from work to attend NRA meetings and conventions which were planned more than a year before the shootings happened. Hundreds of vendors invested necessary expenses to reserve vendor space and make travel arrangements.

The least that these idiots could do if they think the NRA should cancel their meetings is to personally compensate every person who would lose money. If they aren't willing to do that, then they should keep their filthy traps shut.

Basically, this is about a very small number of inordinately obnoxious individuals who already oppose the National Rifle Association looking to exploit a tragedy as a platform from which to launch attacks against the NRA.

Would a liquor and beer retailer's association cancel their annual convention due to a string of recent drunk driving deaths? Would an automobile dealer's association cancel an annual event due to a string of recent drunk driving deaths? Would Ford cancel an annual event because some drunk plowed into a crowd of school children with his Ford Explorer? Would an agricultural fertilizer company cancel an event due to the Oklahoma City bombing? Would a fuel oil retailer's association cancel an event due to the Oklahoma City bombing? Would Rider Truck cancel an annual event because of the OK City bombing? Does the ACLU cancel its meetings in California after the rapists and pedophiles they defend in court rape and kill again?

The answer is no on every point. Moreover, would anyone expect them to? Again, the answer is no, nobody would care, because there is absolutely no connection or relationship whatsoever.
 

Damage

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Originally posted by: hagbard
Originally posted by: Damage
Haven't seen it yet.. but some others have

Review #1

Review #2

As for Heston looking like a fool.. It's pretty easy to rip a guy who admitted to the world he has Alzhiemers.. Picking on him REALLY makes me want to support Moore (NOT). Try that with Larry Elder a black Libertarian who is trying to get Moore on his show to have a real debate, and so far Moore has ducked him for 115 days.. Larry has a counter on his website to keep track of the amount of time..

Was the movie made before or after Heston announced his alzheimers? I've never had much use for Moore (I too am a libertarian), but I'm starting to warm up to him as of late. I just visited Elder's website, he doesn't sound like a libertarian to me, more like a Republican.

Check out his books.. you can preview some pages on Amazon.
 

Staples

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I wouldn't say it was a great documentry (maybe because this was unscripted and Moore is a bad director) but it was on a great subject and it was done fairly well. Sure the NRA rallies' timings had absolutely nothing to do with memmorable murders in those towns.
 

Mrburns2007

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Michael Moore is a Fat Pompous Drunk*, (who desperately needs a shower and new clothes), Bed Wetting Liberal..........but he can be entertaining once in a while.



*Not really sure if he is a drunk but seems like one
 

0roo0roo

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moore is a little silly sometimes, but he does show heston for the fool he is conservatives complain about liberal celebrities who mouth off, maybe they should get their own to shut up too


not to mention he shows how many extremist nutbags are in the NRA.
 
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