Kerry/Edwards 2004!!!

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catnap1972

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
All I know is that the absolute last person I would want running the country if something happened to the President is Dick Cheney. That is one untrustworthy and scary person!

The country would turn into one big oil slick from the White House downward

 

bozack

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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Bozack, your missing several key points. If anything, Edwards has lived the American Dream. He started with modest beginnings and came up big. If there is anyone that knows the struggle of the middle class people amongst Kerry/Bush/Cheney it would be Edwards. Also, it is a BAD thing that George Bush's intelligence is on par with the average joe. He is our president for christ sakes, and since when did we start expecting less from the leader of our country?

Sudheer, in the context of OUR discussion here you are the one missing key points, and while YOU might want more intelligence from a leader the FACT is that most americans can RELATE better with someone who is on their level when talking about speaking habits and what not, the only good thing so far that Edwards has going for him is that unlike Kerry he is an excellent speaker and his southern drawl does alot with appealing to southern voters.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Bozack, your missing several key points. If anything, Edwards has lived the American Dream. He started with modest beginnings and came up big. If there is anyone that knows the struggle of the middle class people amongst Kerry/Bush/Cheney it would be Edwards. Also, it is a BAD thing that George Bush's intelligence is on par with the average joe. He is our president for christ sakes, and since when did we start expecting less from the leader of our country?

Sudheer, in the context of OUR discussion here you are the one missing key points, and while YOU might want more intelligence from a leader the FACT is that most americans can RELATE better with someone who is on their level.

Americans may relate more to someone on a lesser intelligence level but we certainly EXPECT much more from our leader.
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: conjur

Americans may relate more to someone on a lesser intelligence level but we certainly EXPECT much more from our leader.

Conjur define "we" are you talking about "we" as the voting public or "we" here at ATPN forums? as "we" here at ATPN forums do not accurately represent the voting public in fact "we" here are a minority....and personally while Bush's vocabulary isn't up to "par" I personally do not base ones level of intelligence on their speaking prowess...generally it is a good indicator of better upbringing/education but it should never be the sole factor in determinating ones "smarts", heck I work with many PHD's who are very very intelligent and yet cannot speak worth a damn nor write a coherent sentance.
 

conjur

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We = American voting public.

Anyone who expects the leader of our great nation to be a dullard shouldn't be voting.

And, btw, I've never equated Bush's lack of public speaking skills with a lack of intelligence. I merely looked to his collegiate grade transcript.
 

conjur

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Democrats rip Romney for State House rant
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=34672
Democrats slammed Republican Gov. Mitt Romney [related, bio] for calling a State House press conference to bash John Edwards [related, bio], saying he broke state ethics laws that ban using taxpayer resources for political stumping.

``They cannot use this building for their bully pulpit for politics,'' Sen. Jarrett Barrios (D-Cambridge) said. ``They need to go outside the State House like everyone else.''

Barrios and four other lawmakers claimed Romney violated state law with the anti-John Kerry [related, bio] press conference, during which Romney criticized Kerry for not landing U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) as a running mate and pledged unwavering support to President Bush [related, bio].

State ethics codes prohibit public officials from using government buildings or taxpayer resources for political purposes. Hours before Romney's press conference, U.S. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy [related, bio] was denied permission to hold his own pro-Kerry press conference on the State House steps.

Barrios called Romney's move ``an illegal use of State House property.''

Rep. James Marzilli (D-Arlington) said he will file an ethics complaint today with campaign and finance officials.

``Very clearly he crossed the line,'' Marzilli said.

Romney denied breaking any rules.

``This is my office and I come out and do press availabilities like this all the time,'' the governor said. ``Elected officials are allowed to come out and meet with the media to talk about politics, campaigning and re-election. There's no violation. Part of my job as governor is political.''

Romney spokeswoman Shawn Feddeman said the press conference was called to meet several media requests for comment on the Kerry-Edwards situation.

Hmmm...Romney thinks he can do it but no one else can, eh?
 

conjur

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Senator Kerry now leads President Bush in the Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll, 49% to 45%.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm
Saturday July 10, 2004--Senator Kerry now leads President Bush in the Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll, 49% to 45%. Today's results reflect a five-point net gain for the Democrats since John Edwards was named as Kerry's running mate. In our last survey before the announcement, President Bush had a one-point edge, 47% to 46%.

Today is the first time since Kerry wrapped up the nomination that either candidate topped the 48% mark in our daily Tracking Poll. Prior to today, both candidates had stayed within three points of the 45% mark on every single night of polling for more than 120 days.

Yesterday, we released data showing Kerry leading by 5 points in Pennsylvania while Bush leads by four in Ohio. Our latest Electoral College projections show Kerry leading Bush 247-203. Later today, at 3:00 p.m. Eastern, we will release our latest results for Michigan and Virginia.

The Kerry-Edwards ticket is enjoying a modest bounce in today's polling release. However, it is not as big as some had anticipated. As a practical matter, there are not likely to be big bounces this year--even following the conventions. Four factors combine to reduce the potential for frivolous bounces in the polls.

First, more money has already been spent on advertising before the conventions than ever before. Second, the country is polarized in their opinions about George W. Bush. Third, the convention television coverage and audience will be smaller than ever. Fourth, the reality of what happens with Iraq and the U.S. economy dwarfs any campaign tactics in terms of electoral impact.

Earlier in the week, we released polling data for Missouri, Iowa, and Maine. All three states are too close to call. We also showed Senator Kerry leading President Bush in Florida by a margin of 48% to 43%. Our North Carolina polling data showed Bush with a seven-point lead in Edwards' home state. We also released new data for New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Texas.

Democrats are now much more optimistic about their prospects of winning in November. In fact, among all voters, 46% believe the Bush-Cheney team will be re-elected while 44% believe Kerry and Edwards will emerge victorious. Those figures represent a dramatic improvement for the Democrats compared to a month ago.

While Republicans are presenting Kerry and Edwards as the most liberal ticket ever, a majority of Americans say that John Edwards is a political moderate. Edwards is also viewed more favorably than the man he hopes to replace, Dick Cheney.

The national telephone survey of 1,500 Likely voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports over the past three nights. Margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.


Latest Time Magazine poll shows Kerry ahead 47% to 45% over Bush.
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: conjur
Curious.

Who provides the information to the Senate Intelligence Committee, eh?



Probably the same organzations that provide it to the White House.

So, did Edwards lie also?

Did Kerry pick a liar for a running mate?

Or did "Saddam Hussein's Iraqi regime represents a clear threat to the United States, to our allies, to our interests around the world, and to the values of freedom and democracy we hold dear."

Oh? Congress receives unvetted intelligence reports?

Interesting....

Edwards
"As a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee,"


So are you saying that Edwards as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee was not doing his job in overseeing the intelligence agencies?

Again, does Congress receive unvetted intelligence reports?
No, congress does not always receive unvetted intelligence reports


Let me get this straight...


Bush takes this information that he is given and acts on it. He is a liar and knew it was bad news all along. He is an evil evil man.


Edwards takes this same information and comes up with the same conclusion that Bush came up with (probably even before Bush did). He is a great man who is for the people.


Is this what you are telling us, Conjur? I don't understand your position on this because it is very contradictory. I could be misunderstaning though, so if I am wrong, please clarify how Bush could be evil, while Edwards is not.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: conjur
Again, does Congress receive unvetted intelligence reports?
No, congress does not always receive unvetted intelligence reports


Let me get this straight...


Bush takes this information that he is given and acts on it. He is a liar and knew it was bad news all along. He is an evil evil man.


Edwards takes this same information and comes up with the same conclusion that Bush came up with (probably even before Bush did). He is a great man who is for the people.


Is this what you are telling us, Conjur? I don't understand your position on this because it is very contradictory. I could be misunderstaning though, so if I am wrong, please clarify how Bush could be evil, while Edwards is not.
I refer you back to your response I bolded above.

That is the difference.

Go do some checking on Feith and Wolfowitz's use of unvetted intelligence data from the CIA in their Defense Intelligence Agency as "justification" for invading Iraq. The bulk of that data came from the INC's "defectors" which has been summarily dismissed.
 

bamacre

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Something to chew on...

Just remember that the Democrats in office voted "yes" to the war in Iraq, and "yes" to the Homeland Security Act. Remember President Clinton standing up in front of the Pentagon in 1998 talking about the stockpiles of wmd in Iraq. Remember President Clinton mentioning Saddam's ambitions of nuclear weapons in his 1998 State of the Union address. Remember Clinton's bombing of Iraq using thousands of Tomahawk cruise missles.

Remember how this "bi-partisan" committee has found no evidence linking Bush's administration to any coercion or misleading of the intelligence.

It reminds me of the "bi-partisan" committee that found no evidence of the Raegan administration's knowledge of the contras delivering drugs all over the world, including California. Guess who led that comittee? Just guess.

John Kerry.

...who just so happens to be Americas ONLY choice other than Bush in Novemeber. Who just happened to be a frat brother of Bush in college. Who just happened to vote "yes" for the war in Iraq, and who voted "yes" to the Homeland Security Act.

The latest polls show almost 20% of registered voters don't want Bush nor Kerry as our next president. I guess 80% of Americans are just sheep, who think they are following different shepards, but it's the same one.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Something to chew on...

Just remember that the Democrats in office voted "yes" to the war in Iraq, and "yes" to the Homeland Security Act. Remember President Clinton standing up in front of the Pentagon in 1998 talking about the stockpiles of wmd in Iraq. Remember President Clinton mentioning Saddam's ambitions of nuclear weapons in his 1998 State of the Union address. Remember Clinton's bombing of Iraq using thousands of Tomahawk cruise missles.
Remember how the vote to give Bush authorization to use force was only to use that force as a last resort? Remember how the Senate received the final intelligence report on Iraq just a few days before the vote?


Remember how this "bi-partisan" committee has found no evidence linking Bush's administration to any coercion or misleading of the intelligence.
Remember how you're mixing two different reports? 9/11 Commission has yet to release its report. Senate Intelligence Committee report showed CIA did not manage the intelligence very well and did not investigate the Bush administration use of the intelligence. The second phase of that investigation is now underway and we will see how the Bush administration used intelligence known to be shaky. Too bad the report won't be out until AFTER the election.


It reminds me of the "bi-partisan" committee that found no evidence of the Raegan administration's knowledge of the contras delivering drugs all over the world, including California. Guess who led that comittee? Just guess.

John Kerry.
Remember how convictions were handed down in the Iran-Contra affair?


...who just so happens to be Americas ONLY choice other than Bush in Novemeber. Who just happened to be a frat brother of Bush in college. Who just happened to vote "yes" for the war in Iraq, and who voted "yes" to the Homeland Security Act.
Remember how you already brought up that point before? Remember how I already replied to it?

The latest polls show almost 20% of registered voters don't want Bush nor Kerry as our next president. I guess 80% of Americans are just sheep, who think they are following different shepards, but it's the same one.
WTF poll are you reading?

Every major poll out there shows Kerry/Bush rather close and receiving about 90-95% of support.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: cougarls88
Originally posted by: smashp

It is the NY Post, Not Exactly A beacon of journalistic Excellence

What's one more black eye to add to the bunch? :laugh:

On the Today Show, they just ragged on them to add further insult


I Swore it Was Going To Be Hillary. Drudge Told Me So :roll:.

Im Still Waiting For Her to Still Get the nomination for Pres. I mean Rush Has said All Along she Will. I believe him. :roll:


Ha And they Accuse The Other side of Being Filled with Conspiracy theorists

:roll: As if you had a clue anyways. Drudge did not say it was going to be Hillary. Rush hasn't said it all along either. If you are going to try to bash people - atleast get your facts straight instead of lying about what these people have said.

Oh, and I guess the Post has one less informant from the left now.

CkG




VICE PRESIDENT HILLARY; SPECULATION INTENSIFIES IN WASHINGTON


Posting a Speculation from an unamed source that is uncollaborated as a front page story that suits your political agenda is a great example of Jornalistic excellence.


And Rush is a conspiracy Theorist about the Clintons and Hillary's need to be VP or Pres....


lets ask Rush..... from his Show.....4/15/04

"Hillary wants to be on the VP ticket so that she dispels the notion that the Clintons are sabotaging the campaign and so that she can also go out there and really be the star. She'd be the star because she'll be the one bringing excitement to it. And, by the way, she'll get all kinds of criticism and the Republicans will launch all they've got at her, and she'll endure that. They know that they're pretty confident Kerry is going to lose and if Kerry wins there's always Fort Marcy Park. So they're rolling the dice on this. "



The park in question is the one where Vince Foster's body was found, In the view of Limbaugh and his followers, where his body was dumped after Hillary had him murdered.



must be the Oxycontin huh Cad.....

In other words, Limbaugh is not merely hinting, he's clearly saying outright that the Clintons intend to assassinate Kerry if he wins the presidency unless Hillary is on the Ticket.

:roll:
YOU made the assertions that weren't true. Drudge was reporting the speculation, yet you claimed he told you it was going to be Hillary.
Rush also did not say it was going to be Hillary all along. Hillary wants to be President - to that there is no doubt but again your claims were disingenuous at best. Sorry you seem to have gotten your panties twisted when someone called you on your BS.

Oh, and nice try with that Vincent BS - seems you know even less than your previous claims showed you did(n't). You people make me laugh though - keep trying and some day you'll be able to understand things. You have zero clue about Rush if you really think that's what "he's clearly saying outright" It's called sarcasm, Rush knows he gets blamed for things and this is another example of using absurdity to bait the left into throwing a tantrum - congrats - you've just been played by Rush - how do you feel?

Conjur - there was no "PWNAGE" - smashp made BS claims that were not as he presented.

CkG

(dunno how this lame attempt by smashp slipped past me before - must have been the etech-conjur fight )
 

saturnine

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Originally posted by: bthorny
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: saturnine
dont know if this was posted because im to lazy at the moment to read thru this entire post, but...

Kerry + Edwards

:beer:



CkG

homophobic?

actually.... no.

It's nice to see two men who are secure in their masculinity and not afraid to show their affection towards each other in public.
 
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