Not only would I have never considered something like this as a teen I didn't know anyone who would.Filling one's head with a constant stream of these incidents is not good for the psyche. For every two of these there are 100s of thousands of people who would never do such things. I also know it's hard for us old people to remember what it is like to be a stupid teenager that thinks they know everything, but we all went through it. That said, these two are clearly a danger to society and should be removed from it until they are no longer a threat.
I knew plenty of kids who did things that could have killed people and the only reason it didn't is they got lucky. This is worse because it's more direct, ie: they were trying to hurt people. They clearly have issues and now that it's resulted in death there is probably a good chance they land in prison for life.Not only would I have never considered something like this as a teen I didn't know anyone who would.
I have no problem putting them away for life. Not to get all Moonie but they need to be interrogated as to what would possess them to do this. Not for their sake but the greater societal answer.
Not only would I have never considered something like this as a teen I didn't know anyone who would.
I have no problem putting them away for life. Not to get all Moonie but they need to be interrogated as to what would possess them to do this. Not for their sake but the greater societal answer.
I think there is a leap from doing something reckless that could get someone hurt or killed. As a kid I threw snowballs at cars while hiding behind a building. At the time I didn't consider it could startle someone and cause them to lose control of their car. This seems to be intentional attempted murder.I knew plenty of kids who did things that could have killed people and the only reason it didn't is they got lucky. This is worse because it's more direct, ie: they were trying to hurt people. They clearly have issues and now that it's resulted in death there is probably a good chance they land in prison for life.
I will have to settle down before I can respond with any degree of compassion or proportionality towards these two, but, at this moment, I am trying to avoid the "fry 'em" response and go with life without parole. I know that modern science has shown that youth are not fully formed biologically in impulse control and such, but still . . .
I will have to settle down before I can respond with any degree of compassion or proportionality towards these two, but, at this moment, I am trying to avoid the "fry 'em" response and go with life without parole. I know that modern science has shown that youth are not fully formed biologically in impulse control and such, but still . . .
Musk keeps proving what a shallow human being he is, despite his "genius."Followup on this story. Originally it was not known the cycleist was intentionally hit and killed. The original news headline told story as if it was an accident. 13 days later police got the information including the recording of the perps.
Naturally that didn't stop Elon Musk and other right wing trolls spreading misinformation including racist tropes to get their base riled up.
In Oklahoma you have to give a cyclist 5 feet of clearance, but you can only be ticketed for it if you injure the cyclist.So many issues mixed up in that one. Too many to get into. I'm ignoring the racial angle and the arguments about the causes of crime in general ("it's society's fault" vs "intrinsic wickedness"? Just too big a topic).
Seems as if the victim being a former police chief is mostly irrelevant (as they clearly didn't specifically target him as an individual) _except_ insofar as it's pretty standard that police only take attacks on cyclists remotely seriously if the cyclist happens to be a cop or ex-cop. But, then again, that's how it is _here_, and the US legal system is far, far more aggressive and keen on harsh punishments in general, across-the-board, than it is here. The US is much like China, in that it depends on mass incarceration to keep the system from collapsing.
Here it's incredibly rare for a killer motorist to be punished with any sort of penalty appropriate to the crime - if you want to kill someone, make sure you use a car as your weapon, you'll just get a slap on the wrist.
Much of the blame needs to be laid at the petrol-head lobby and the sense of entitlement they imbue motorists with, and the hatred they tend to spew at cyclists. It's pretty common for high-profile media figures to 'joke' about murdering cyclists.
And, given that cars are potentially deadly weapons, they are far too easily available and insufficiently regulated. Obviously in the US you've built a country in which cars (and planes, and air-conditioning) are almost essential, but that's your problem - should have designed the country better in the first place.
You can visit Fox, but don't absorb.Filling one's head with a constant stream of these incidents is not good for the psyche. For every two of these there are 100s of thousands of people who would never do such things. I also know it's hard for us old people to remember what it is like to be a stupid teenager that thinks they know everything, but we all went through it. That said, these two are clearly a danger to society and should be removed from it until they are no longer a threat.
Followup on this story. Originally it was not known the cycleist was intentionally hit and killed. The original news headline told story as if it was an accident. 13 days later police got the information including the recording of the perps.
Naturally that didn't stop Elon Musk and other right wing trolls spreading misinformation including racist tropes to get their base riled up.
I'm personally astounded at the posters here (not just you) for whom sympathy to the murderers seems to take precedence over that for the innocent victim of this absolutely horrific crime.I'm sad for these kids. There is so much in life that these kids will never get a chance to experience.
Rip to the bicyclist.
Absolutely not. They will rot in hell in prison for the rest of their lives where they should be.I'm personally astounded at the posters here (not just you) for whom sympathy to the murderers seems to take precedence over that for the innocent victim of this absolutely horrific crime.