Kindle Fire HDX

Ravynmagi

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The new Kindle tablets have been announced (kinda weird to have a night announcement). There are 3 new tablets, a budget version and two high end versions.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/25/47...ablets-preview

Kindle Fire HDX 7 and 8.9
7 inch 1920x1200 323 DPI display
8.9 inch 2560x1600 339 DPI display
2.2GHz Snapdragon 800 quad core processor
2GB of RAM
16, 32, or 64GB storage options
8MP rear camera on 8.9 inch model only
front camera on both models
LTE models available for $100 more
7 inch 303 gram, 8.9 inch 374 grams

Fire HDX 7 starts at $230 (+$40 for each storage bump)
Fire HDX 8.9 starts at $380 (+$50 for each storage bump)


The last generation Kindle Fire HD tablets has good looking displays, great speakers and wifi. But the CPU was pretty low end and made the tablet kinda sluggish. Though I still used a Kindle Fire HD for over half a year instead of the Nexus 7 because overall I liked it more. This new Fire really improves big time on that weak link with a major CPU upgrade. They say this CPU will be 3 times faster than the TI OMAP 4, I'm sure that's easily accurate if not being modest.

Amazon didn't jump on the super slim portrait bezel bandwagon that Apple and Google are riding. The Fire HDX has equal sized bezels all around, but the bezels are a bit smaller. I prefer the Nexus 7/iPad mini bezel design myself, but some people prefer equal sized bezels. I like the super slim portrait bezels because it makes wrapping your hand around the tablet while reading in portrait mode more comfortable. And kinda surprised Amazon hasn't gone this way yet.

The Fire HDX also lost weight, it's down to 303 grams. Still a little heavier than the Nexus 7 2013, but now it's only a 13 gram difference (used to be a more noticeable 55 gram difference).

This time around the 7 and 8.9 inch models are very similar in specs. During the previous generation the 7 inch used a slightly slower TI OMAP than the 8.9 inch, I could tell the difference. Now they are both using the same Snapdragon 800 at 2.2GHz. The differences this time besides screen size is the 8.9 inch model gets an 8MP camera and the 7 inch model doesn't. I think it seems weird the larger bulkier tablet gets the camera and the smaller more portable tablet doesn't.

There is also a $150 price difference between the two size models for just a larger screen and camera. That seems a bit extreme. Last year there was only a $100 price difference and the 7 inch model was using a lower end CPU. So I'm a little disappointed with the 8.9 inch pricing. Also the 8.9 inch model costs $50 for each storage bump ($50 more for 32GB, $100 more for 64GB), while the 7 inch model, using the very same memory costs $40 for each storage bump. So a 7 inch 64GB model costs $310 while an 8.9 inch 64GB model costs $480 or a $170 price difference. I guess Amazon isn't getting as good of a price on the 8.9 inch 2560x1600 displays or something, not sure if anyone else is making a tablet with this display, so that might be the case.


I have a Nexus 7 2013, so I kinda wanted the 8.9 inch model, but it seems a bit overpriced compared to the 7 inch model (I don't need a camera on a tablet). So I pre-ordered a 32GB 7 inch HDX.


Almost forgot the budget tablet.

"New" Kindle Fire HD

7 inch 1280x800 216 DPI
1.5GHz dual core (I'm guessing it's the same TI OMAP 4 in the old Fire HD)
RAM not mentioned, but guessing 1GB
8GB or 16GB storage
345 grams

Starting at $139

Not sure if the "New" Kindle Fire HD is any better than the current Kindle Fire HD. That decreased the storage options to be able to sell it cheaper. Looks like the wifi got a downgrade as well (MIMO is gone). It's also a bit lighter at 345 grams vs 395 grams of the original Fire HD.
 

Trombe

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Supposedly the revised HD has OMAP 4470 instead of 4460 so you get a considerably better GPU. But the Nook HD has had an underclocked variant of OMAP 4470 all this time, so we aren't really getting anything new here in the budget space.

For all the comments about the Nexus 7 (especially the old one) having huge bezels, the ones on the 7" Kindles were always even more ridiculous. I actually looked up the original HD, 5.4" wide...that's wider than an iPad Mini and Note 8.0. Even now at 5" that's in the same league as the Nook HD.
 

lopri

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374g sounds incredibly light for 8.9"? Nook HD+ is 9"/515g and it feels light for the size. 2560x1600 is also the first for 8.9" iirc.

Gosh we are living in a golden age of mobile devices. So many great options.
 

jpeyton

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+$40/$50 for storage bumps deserves major applause.

I can't be the only one who thinks it's ridiculous device manufacturers (like Apple) still charge $100 for $3 worth of flash memory.
 

lopri

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MS go even further segregating 4GB of RAM and 8GB. They just never learn.
 

Ravynmagi

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374g sounds incredibly light for 8.9"? Nook HD+ is 9"/515g and it feels light for the size. 2560x1600 is also the first for 8.9" iirc.

Gosh we are living in a golden age of mobile devices. So many great options.

Engadget made note of that too...

http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/25/amazon-debuts-kindle-fire-hdx-7-and-8-9-inch-tablets-we-go-han/
"What the pictures didn't tell us, however, was just how light the 8.9-inch version is. Amazon describes it as "startlingly so." Thankfully, we managed to stifle a shriek when we picked it up, but at 13.2 ounces, the word "surprisingly" does factor into the equation. It's nearly seven ounces (34 percent, as Amazon likes to put it) lighter than its predecessor."

Kinda tempted to consider the 8.9 inch model despite costing $150-$170 more. But it comes out a couple weeks after the 7 inch model, so I'll go with that for now and maybe check out the 8.9 inch once it shows up at Best Buy or something.
 

Ravynmagi

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+$40/$50 for storage bumps deserves major applause.

I can't be the only one who thinks it's ridiculous device manufacturers (like Apple) still charge $100 for $3 worth of flash memory.

Yeah, I kinda want an iPad mini 2 if it has a "Retina" display. But I can't settle for 16GB tablets anymore and I'm not sure I can stomach paying $100 for merely 16GB more storage.

Between my new Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire HDX, I probably shouldn't be buying an Apple tablet anyway.
 

jpeyton

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I can't believe how light the 8.9 HDX is either. Almost 300 grams lighter than the iPad 4. Only 60 grams heavier than the iPad Mini.
 

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I'm torn. I hate the amazon android OS, but I do like amazon video and you still can't watch it on other android devices. I'm going to wait and see.
 

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I'm not sure how these devices are any more compelling than their respective Nexus tablets? The 2013 N7 costs the same as the Fire 7", and it doesn't have the amazon locked in OS handicap. In fact there have been deals where you can get a 2013 N7 for $200 shipped.
 

DaveSimmons

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No SD slot and no HDMI out make me a sad panda.

I'd like to be able to carry my 60 GB MP3 collection (transcoded from FLAC) with me, instead of needing to pay $30+ a year and use cloud storage + wifi.

I'd like to be able to connect it to a TV for streaming services like Hulu to fill in the gaps that my PS3 can't cover with Netflix and Amazon.

I understand that's counter to Amazon's business interests, but I'll probably end up with an Asus or other non-Google/Amazon for my next tablet.
 

Bateluer

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+$40/$50 for storage bumps deserves major applause.

I can't be the only one who thinks it's ridiculous device manufacturers (like Apple) still charge $100 for $3 worth of flash memory.

I came in here to say exactly this. 16GB tablets and phones shouldn't even exist in 2013, its a travesty that they do.

Realistically, you have to exclude the 16GB HDX models from consideration and look at the 32GB models. At those prices, when combined with Amazon's restricted FireOS, they become much less attractive.
 

Ravynmagi

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How does the HDX compare to the Nexus 7? The hardware specs look really similar.

I'm not sure how these devices are any more compelling than their respective Nexus tablets? The 2013 N7 costs the same as the Fire 7", and it doesn't have the amazon locked in OS handicap. In fact there have been deals where you can get a 2013 N7 for $200 shipped.

The Fire HDX has a more powerful processor a Snapdragon 800 with four Krait 400 cores and Adreno 330 graphics. The Nexus 7 has the S4 Pro with four Krait 300 cores (which I think is more like a low end 600 than an S4 Pro) and Adreno 320 graphics. Wifi might be a bit better on the Fire HDX as well.

Though I think the real reason someone would consider this tablet is if they are into the Amazon eco system. The Kindle app is much better on Fire OS, you'll have access to the Lending Library, X-Ray, Amazon Instant Video. Most of these things Amazon withholds from Android or gimps.
 

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I think the biggest deal about these is Mayday.

The Kindle is now something I would have no problem recommending to some relatives because they can easily get help without having to bug me about it.

Kindle Fire HDX 7: $230
Leather Standing Case: $65
Amazon Gift Card for content: $50

Never having to help your friends or family with technical support: Priceless
 

jpeyton

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Another neat feature is being able to download video from Amazon Instant for free, to view offline on your HDX.

Imagine if Netflix offered the ability to download videos for offline viewing.
 

ControlD

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I'm tempted to get one of these and give my iPad to my daughter. I mainly use my iPad for reading these days, and being able to use the Kindle library would be pretty sweet with this.
 

Bonesdad

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I'm tempted to get one of these and give my iPad to my daughter. I mainly use my iPad for reading these days, and being able to use the Kindle library would be pretty sweet with this.

someone at Apple just crapped themselves....
 

ultimatebob

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I think the biggest deal about these is Mayday.

The Kindle is now something I would have no problem recommending to some relatives because they can easily get help without having to bug me about it.

Kindle Fire HDX 7: $230
Leather Standing Case: $65
Amazon Gift Card for content: $50

Never having to help your friends or family with technical support: Priceless

That Mayday feature is going to be sooo abused by customers.... just watch. I can only imagine the hell they will receive during the middle of a service outage.
 

jpeyton

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That Mayday feature is going to be sooo abused by customers.... just watch.
Abused how? Amazon already offers tech-support for all their Kindle products. Mayday just moves tech-support from the arena of phone/online chat (which is less effective) to remote management plus chat (which is much more effective). If anything, it will vastly improve support satisfaction rates.

I can only imagine the hell they will receive during the middle of a service outage.
Probably the same hell they receive during an AWS outage that knocks out Netflix. But Amazon's uptime rate is greater than 99% for AWS; I'd imagine Mayday will post similar numbers.
 
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ultimatebob

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Abused how? Amazon already offers tech-support for all their Kindle products. Mayday just moves tech-support from the arena of phone/online chat (which is less effective) to remote management plus chat (which is much more effective). If anything, it will vastly improve support satisfaction rates.

I'm imagining drunk guys calling up at 2 AM on a Saturday to attempt to hit on the Indian call center ladies... or old folks with no technology skills calling them up 3 times a week for app related questions that have nothing to do with the Kindle.

You want to make contacting the help desk easy... but not TOO easy. Otherwise, you're inviting the customer to shut off their brain and expect the vendor to do all of their basic troubleshooting for them.
 
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