Lap that puppy

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: INGlewood78
Don't have the income to lap a proc. Risk of $300 down the drain isn't worth it for me =(

this is the funniest statement anyone can say to me.

IF you dont overclock then this doesnt apply to you.

But GUYS! Listen carefully.

1. The moment you take your processor off stock settings your warrenty is void.
2. The moment you guys use a different heat sink instead of the stock sink your warrenty is void.
3. The moment you file an RMA with Intel, they will ask you to mail in the stock heat sink. They will then exam the sink to see if there TIM, The TIM has to be a INTEL Aproved TIM. And the SINK has been used in relationship to the time factor you owned the chip. If it doesnt = that, IE. You have too little dust, or you have too much dust, Intel will say we dont warrenty chips which have been overclocked.


How do i know all this? Because a friend of mine got screwed on a X6800 RMA because his sink was brand new. And this is coming from a chip with an unlocked multi ment for pure overclocking. I thought that was really funny.


So what is my advice? Run the chip on stock for around 12 hours on a stress program. If it passes, chances of it blowing is more likely due to your power, or mobo. And then i would lap the sucker, because it helps a lot in equaling out the cores.

Also, your idles do seem a bit too low.

 

[Fayd]

simple answer to that is just to mount the stock HS once, before the RMA.

end of, done.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: sgrinavi

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'm not saying a 22C drop is accurate, but isn't that 0 to 5% average drop for people who only lap the CPU IHS? Not both the CPU IHS AND the heatsink? I mean, leave a little room for variables. 22C is probably not possible, but I wouldn't discount about 10 to 11C drop if the user did a perfect job on all counts.

its not going to be perfect if he only spent 1/2 hour on BOTH lappings. It takes people 1 hour+ to do great laps

What is with you guys?... those are the numbers and they are accurate as read. Take it or leave it. Add 15 degrees if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy.... who cares, the point is that you can make a huge impact with very little cost of time and materials.

You were getting 60C+ real temps on idle with a G0. That means you mounted it wrong the first time.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'm not saying a 22C drop is accurate, but isn't that 0 to 5% average drop for people who only lap the CPU IHS? Not both the CPU IHS AND the heatsink? I mean, leave a little room for variables. 22C is probably not possible, but I wouldn't discount about 10 to 11C drop if the user did a perfect job on all counts.

Maybe if youre using a rock from your lawn as a heatsink...

Contact would have to be extremely poor...

Maybe it was? He said himself, he had to start with 220 grit on the HS. That might mean is wasn't near as flat as it was supposed to be.

Hmmm. I'm seeing a lot of un-open minds around here. Don't forget folks, almost nothing is set in stone with PC hardware. YMMV includes ALL things.

The laws of physics are not YMMV

 

[sgrinavi]

Originally posted by: aka1nas

Originally posted by: sgrinavi

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'm not saying a 22C drop is accurate, but isn't that 0 to 5% average drop for people who only lap the CPU IHS? Not both the CPU IHS AND the heatsink? I mean, leave a little room for variables. 22C is probably not possible, but I wouldn't discount about 10 to 11C drop if the user did a perfect job on all counts.

its not going to be perfect if he only spent 1/2 hour on BOTH lappings. It takes people 1 hour+ to do great laps

What is with you guys?... those are the numbers and they are accurate as read. Take it or leave it. Add 15 degrees if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy.... who cares, the point is that you can make a huge impact with very little cost of time and materials.

You were getting 60C+ real temps on idle with a G0. That means you mounted it wrong the first time.

Sorry to bother you with the facts, but the temps were reasonable before I OC'd the system, that's why I lapped it to begin with. The HS had two huge low spotsl one of which was pretty close to the cores.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: sgrinavi

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: sgrinavi
How do you fit that silver 5 syringe between the processor and the HS, mine keeps breaking...

you gotta freeze it first




I hope youre kidding

Freeze the HS & CPU or just the paste?

Can't I just use colegate? it has silver flecks in it.

 

[swtethan]

I dont think lapping puppies is legal.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'm not saying a 22C drop is accurate, but isn't that 0 to 5% average drop for people who only lap the CPU IHS? Not both the CPU IHS AND the heatsink? I mean, leave a little room for variables. 22C is probably not possible, but I wouldn't discount about 10 to 11C drop if the user did a perfect job on all counts.

Maybe if youre using a rock from your lawn as a heatsink...

Contact would have to be extremely poor...

Maybe it was? He said himself, he had to start with 220 grit on the HS. That might mean is wasn't near as flat as it was supposed to be.

Hmmm. I'm seeing a lot of un-open minds around here. Don't forget folks, almost nothing is set in stone with PC hardware. YMMV includes ALL things.

The laws of physics are not YMMV

ahahahhaha laws of physics can never be YMMV.

 

[cyrusm]

forget lap jobs
lap dances are better

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'm not saying a 22C drop is accurate, but isn't that 0 to 5% average drop for people who only lap the CPU IHS? Not both the CPU IHS AND the heatsink? I mean, leave a little room for variables. 22C is probably not possible, but I wouldn't discount about 10 to 11C drop if the user did a perfect job on all counts.

Maybe if youre using a rock from your lawn as a heatsink...

Contact would have to be extremely poor...

Maybe it was? He said himself, he had to start with 220 grit on the HS. That might mean is wasn't near as flat as it was supposed to be.

Hmmm. I'm seeing a lot of un-open minds around here. Don't forget folks, almost nothing is set in stone with PC hardware. YMMV includes ALL things.

The laws of physics are not YMMV

Oh Really? Which laws are you referring to exactly?
This is sig worthy. Mind if I use it?

 

[sgrinavi]

Originally posted by: cyrusm
forget lap jobs
lap dances are better

Now there's a man who knows how to settle a dispute

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'm not saying a 22C drop is accurate, but isn't that 0 to 5% average drop for people who only lap the CPU IHS? Not both the CPU IHS AND the heatsink? I mean, leave a little room for variables. 22C is probably not possible, but I wouldn't discount about 10 to 11C drop if the user did a perfect job on all counts.

Maybe if youre using a rock from your lawn as a heatsink...

Contact would have to be extremely poor...

Maybe it was? He said himself, he had to start with 220 grit on the HS. That might mean is wasn't near as flat as it was supposed to be.

Hmmm. I'm seeing a lot of un-open minds around here. Don't forget folks, almost nothing is set in stone with PC hardware. YMMV includes ALL things.

The laws of physics are not YMMV

Oh Really? Which laws are you referring to exactly?
This is sig worthy. Mind if I use it?

Sure if you like

In this case i was thinking thermodynamics :laugh:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'm not saying a 22C drop is accurate, but isn't that 0 to 5% average drop for people who only lap the CPU IHS? Not both the CPU IHS AND the heatsink? I mean, leave a little room for variables. 22C is probably not possible, but I wouldn't discount about 10 to 11C drop if the user did a perfect job on all counts.

Maybe if youre using a rock from your lawn as a heatsink...

Contact would have to be extremely poor...

Maybe it was? He said himself, he had to start with 220 grit on the HS. That might mean is wasn't near as flat as it was supposed to be.

Hmmm. I'm seeing a lot of un-open minds around here. Don't forget folks, almost nothing is set in stone with PC hardware. YMMV includes ALL things.

The laws of physics are not YMMV

Oh Really? Which laws are you referring to exactly?
This is sig worthy. Mind if I use it?

Sure if you like

In this case i was thinking thermodynamics :laugh:

Thanks. Now would say, room temperature have any effect on the laws of thermodynamics? Or humidity? Or elevation? Or under/overvoltage? Seems like there are a lot of variables that could have some sort of effect on the unshakable law. YMMV.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'm not saying a 22C drop is accurate, but isn't that 0 to 5% average drop for people who only lap the CPU IHS? Not both the CPU IHS AND the heatsink? I mean, leave a little room for variables. 22C is probably not possible, but I wouldn't discount about 10 to 11C drop if the user did a perfect job on all counts.

Maybe if youre using a rock from your lawn as a heatsink...

Contact would have to be extremely poor...

Maybe it was? He said himself, he had to start with 220 grit on the HS. That might mean is wasn't near as flat as it was supposed to be.

Hmmm. I'm seeing a lot of un-open minds around here. Don't forget folks, almost nothing is set in stone with PC hardware. YMMV includes ALL things.

The laws of physics are not YMMV

Oh Really? Which laws are you referring to exactly?
This is sig worthy. Mind if I use it?

Sure if you like

In this case i was thinking thermodynamics :laugh:

Thanks. Now would say, room temperature have any effect on the laws of thermodynamics? Or humidity? Or elevation? Or under/overvoltage? Seems like there are a lot of variables that could have some sort of effect on the unshakable law. YMMV.

In the time frame allotted, all of those variables are static.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'm not saying a 22C drop is accurate, but isn't that 0 to 5% average drop for people who only lap the CPU IHS? Not both the CPU IHS AND the heatsink? I mean, leave a little room for variables. 22C is probably not possible, but I wouldn't discount about 10 to 11C drop if the user did a perfect job on all counts.

Maybe if youre using a rock from your lawn as a heatsink...

Contact would have to be extremely poor...

Maybe it was? He said himself, he had to start with 220 grit on the HS. That might mean is wasn't near as flat as it was supposed to be.

Hmmm. I'm seeing a lot of un-open minds around here. Don't forget folks, almost nothing is set in stone with PC hardware. YMMV includes ALL things.

The laws of physics are not YMMV

Oh Really? Which laws are you referring to exactly?
This is sig worthy. Mind if I use it?

i think this sig is better

Originally posted by: cyrusm
forget lap jobs
lap dances are better

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I'm not saying a 22C drop is accurate, but isn't that 0 to 5% average drop for people who only lap the CPU IHS? Not both the CPU IHS AND the heatsink? I mean, leave a little room for variables. 22C is probably not possible, but I wouldn't discount about 10 to 11C drop if the user did a perfect job on all counts.

Maybe if youre using a rock from your lawn as a heatsink...

Contact would have to be extremely poor...

Maybe it was? He said himself, he had to start with 220 grit on the HS. That might mean is wasn't near as flat as it was supposed to be.

Hmmm. I'm seeing a lot of un-open minds around here. Don't forget folks, almost nothing is set in stone with PC hardware. YMMV includes ALL things.

The laws of physics are not YMMV

Oh Really? Which laws are you referring to exactly?
This is sig worthy. Mind if I use it?

Sure if you like

In this case i was thinking thermodynamics :laugh:

Thanks. Now would say, room temperature have any effect on the laws of thermodynamics? Or humidity? Or elevation? Or under/overvoltage? Seems like there are a lot of variables that could have some sort of effect on the unshakable law. YMMV.

In the time frame allotted, all of those variables are static.

Ok, no problem. I'm sorry, but I can't continue a closed minded conversation. You win.

 

[genec57]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: INGlewood78
Don't have the income to lap a proc. Risk of $300 down the drain isn't worth it for me =(

this is the funniest statement anyone can say to me.

IF you dont overclock then this doesnt apply to you.

But GUYS! Listen carefully.

1. The moment you take your processor off stock settings your warrenty is void.
2. The moment you guys use a different heat sink instead of the stock sink your warrenty is void.
3. The moment you file an RMA with Intel, they will ask you to mail in the stock heat sink. They will then exam the sink to see if there TIM, The TIM has to be a INTEL Aproved TIM. And the SINK has been used in relationship to the time factor you owned the chip. If it doesnt = that, IE. You have too little dust, or you have too much dust, Intel will say we dont warrenty chips which have been overclocked.


How do i know all this? Because a friend of mine got screwed on a X6800 RMA because his sink was brand new. And this is coming from a chip with an unlocked multi ment for pure overclocking. I thought that was really funny.


So what is my advice? Run the chip on stock for around 12 hours on a stress program. If it passes, chances of it blowing is more likely due to your power, or mobo. And then i would lap the sucker, because it helps a lot in equaling out the cores.

Also, your idles do seem a bit too low.

As counterpoint to this rather apocalyptic story I had an experience with Intel a few months ago that shows how good they can be.
In a fit of spastic stupidity I managed unknowingly to get a dollop of thermal grease on the inside of my E6400 CPU. Need I say that it refused to boot, nor would it boot after a clean up.
I RMAed the mobo and then called intel for advice. After consulting with level 2 the tech came back to me and said that they thought the processor was also trashed. I told them EXACTLY what happened - that all problems were due entirely to my own stupidity.
They told me to RMA the chip. The stock cooler was never used - clearly the TIM on the underside of the chip was not Intels.

A week later i had a pristine new chip in hand.

I have to think there is more to the story you related than meets the eye.

 

[sgrinavi]

Originally posted by: genec57

A week later i had a pristine new chip in hand.

I have to think there is more to the story you related than meets the eye.

You think if I put some grease on the bottom of my G0 I might get a better one for free?

 

[genec57]

That might be a bit of a push . Besides 3.4 on air ain't exactly shabby - I have to think you would be more likely to get a worse one.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ok, no problem. I'm sorry, but I can't continue a closed minded conversation. You win.

Bah dont be like that keys :brokenheart:

Im just saying the results are atypical, you are absolutely right that these variables could be coming into play, however they are things that should be divulged.

Not "i lapped and my temps dropped 20C!"

Im just trying to prevent misinformation.

 

[wwswimming]

Originally posted by: sgrinavi
My HS was way off; I had to start with 220 to get it flat.... perhaps someone could use this information...

if you put a reference straight-edge, like a steel rule or maybe
a knife blade from one of those gray utility knives, how much
daylight would you see ?

was it concave or convex ?

i believe you when you say it wasn't flat. i'm surprised Intel has
such a loose spec on their IHS flatness.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ok, no problem. I'm sorry, but I can't continue a closed minded conversation. You win.

Bah dont be like that keys :brokenheart:

Im just saying the results are atypical, you are absolutely right that these variables could be coming into play, however they are things that should be divulged.

Not "i lapped and my temps dropped 20C!"

Im just trying to prevent misinformation.

I agree. I even said I thought 22C was impossible for a lap job temp drop. I felt that 10 or 11C would be as liberal as I would get. On a good day, with everything done perfectly and optimum conditions. I have a Freezer 7 Pro coming, should get it tomorrow. Curious to see how "true" the base is. While I have the stock HSF off, I can check my E6420 for the same.

I ran 2 instances of Orthos (Small FFT) and set affinity for each core. Never went over 51C with stock HSF, and it ran for hours at room temp of about 74F and case closed. i want to o/c to about 3.0 but the stock HSF wont cut it. Well, it could but it would be hotter than I want it to get. Lets see what the Freezer can do.

 

[sgrinavi]

Originally posted by: wwswimming

Originally posted by: sgrinavi
My HS was way off; I had to start with 220 to get it flat.... perhaps someone could use this information...

if you put a reference straight-edge, like a steel rule or maybe
a knife blade from one of those gray utility knives, how much
daylight would you see ?

was it concave or convex ?

i believe you when you say it wasn't flat. i'm surprised Intel has
such a loose spec on their IHS flatness.

There were low spots in the HS, so concave I suppose -- I could not tell you how much. I could tell because when I started to work it with 800 grit there were two oval shaped areas that were a different color, I tried to get it out with the 800, went to 400, but had to resort to 220 grit to make any impact. Even at that it took longer than I would have anticipated to flatten. Come to think of it the grease that I cleaned off was very irregular in thickness.

The processor was not far off at all, it took about 1/4 the time of the HS to get flat and that was 800/1000 grit.

 

[INGlewood78]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: INGlewood78
Don't have the income to lap a proc. Risk of $300 down the drain isn't worth it for me =(

this is the funniest statement anyone can say to me.

IF you dont overclock then this doesnt apply to you.

But GUYS! Listen carefully.

1. The moment you take your processor off stock settings your warrenty is void.
2. The moment you guys use a different heat sink instead of the stock sink your warrenty is void.
3. The moment you file an RMA with Intel, they will ask you to mail in the stock heat sink. They will then exam the sink to see if there TIM, The TIM has to be a INTEL Aproved TIM. And the SINK has been used in relationship to the time factor you owned the chip. If it doesnt = that, IE. You have too little dust, or you have too much dust, Intel will say we dont warrenty chips which have been overclocked.


How do i know all this? Because a friend of mine got screwed on a X6800 RMA because his sink was brand new. And this is coming from a chip with an unlocked multi ment for pure overclocking. I thought that was really funny.


So what is my advice? Run the chip on stock for around 12 hours on a stress program. If it passes, chances of it blowing is more likely due to your power, or mobo. And then i would lap the sucker, because it helps a lot in equaling out the cores.

Also, your idles do seem a bit too low.

I think you're missing my point. There is obviously a difference in risk between going in the bios and changing some settings versus using sandpaper (wet) and grinding down the heatspreader. If I mess up my bios overclock, I can't boot temporarily. If I mess up my lap...I can't boot permanently. To me, the reward is not worth the risk. That was all I was saying. I'm ok with bios overclocking.

BTW my Q6600 B3 is running 3.0ghz at the moment. I'm ok with that.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: INGlewood78


I think you're missing my point. There is obviously a difference in risk between going in the bios and changing some settings versus using sandpaper (wet) and grinding down the heatspreader. If I mess up my bios overclock, I can't boot temporarily. If I mess up my lap...I can't boot permanently. To me, the reward is not worth the risk. That was all I was saying. I'm ok with bios overclocking.

BTW my Q6600 B3 is running 3.0ghz at the moment. I'm ok with that.

The sandpaper just needs to be "wet". Not underwater. It's kind of difficult to screw up a CPU while lapping it (775 LGA that is). And as long as you don't try to lap the "wrong" side of the CPU, you really can't screw it up as long as you have fully functioning common sense.