LCD verses CRT

[BenSkywalker]

When looking for the best CRT what spec's are you looking for.
I see allot of CRT's with the same spec's as the NEC for allot cheaper.

It depends on what you are looking for. Speaking for myself, anything that doesn't support 2048x1536 is completely out of the question. Then, ideally I want to see a refresh rate of 85Hz supported(higher would be nice, unfortunately graphics cards don't support any higher). That is simply a baseline, anything that can't hit that is out of the question.

Next would be preference of tube. If you want the sharpest text, shadow masks tend to have a slight edge in the CRT relm. If you want the most vibrant images(without color bleeding or inaccuracies) then aperture grill is the way to go. These are more matters of degress when looking at the highest end monitors, although at the highest end AG is pretty much all there is(not quite, but pretty much).

Then you have the question of which brand of tube it is that you want. IMO the Diamondtron tube products are the best- I don't like the convergence on the Trinitrons and I haven't been particularly impressed with any single element of the DynaFlats(although I'm sure you can find advocates for those too). Those are it that you are going to find on the market as far as I am aware(and those are getting hard to find). If you buy a monitor from Dell, IBM, SGI or whoever else it is going to have one of those tubes in it. A big difference in the price comes from features, shielding and tuning. The last element, tuning, is one that you can't put a specification on unless you get in to precission calibrated displays(that cost significantly more then what we are talking about) however it has an enormous impact on the quality. You may find two displays with the same tube, same exact specifications even made by the same company with one costing considerably more(although they rarely do this, most of the time they will take tubes with higher levels of tuning and allow them to run at the resolution and refresh rate they are capable of rather then 'limiting' them to lower). As an example, the 2111 is the exact same tube as the 2141, but the 2141 doesn't have the artifical limitations of resolution they put on the 2111(which can be overcome easily) or the level of tuning put in to the top tier(which can NOT be overcome easily at all).

 

[Space Cowboy]

Wow.. good stuff.

CRT expert needed !!

How do these CRT's compare? Is one better than the other? How would they stack up against a 22" NEC 2141?

SGI (I got a option to buy this one for about $425.00 but I have to let him know real soon)

Sony

Thanks
Cowboy

 

[Space Cowboy]

Bump

 

[uOpt]

The two monitors above have almost certainly the same tube and probably the same control electronics. Decisions to buy can be based on color

 

[Space Cowboy]

Well folks,
It's been real. I hope I made the right choice and I think I did. I will look into a non CRT when the price comes down and they work all the bug's out.

Untill then I bought this SGI
five min. ago

Anybody wanna help me lift it to my desk?

100lbs

Thanks For All Your Help
Cowboy

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Space Cowboy
So which one would make this Picture look the best?

Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW 24-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD Monitor with Height Adjustable Stand

NEC/MITSUBISHI FE2111SB-BK 22" SuperBright Diamondtron CRT Monitor

Hyundai L90D+19"

I don't think it would make a difference. It looks good to me:thumbsup:

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Ok, I'll submit this non-hyped, cogent piece of logic for you all to think on as it relates to widescreen LCDs. What do we use our field-of-view for? While driving we are not only watching the car ahead of us but cars around us peripherally. It's a dynamically changing environment with interacting elements. Here's another.....movies. We are not only watching individual actors but we are viewing them in the whole of the scene. Their interaction with other characters and the environment in general. Our FOV, which is primarily landscaped, is something we use all the time in everyday life. What do we use our FOV for in the world of computer monitor viewing. Nothing. Nothing at all. We are reading words. We are focused on one thing at a time. It is not a dynamic environment....it is static. That's why widescreen computer monitors have no practical use beside widescreen games. HDTV and theaters where FOV is accommodated through widescreen pictures....I can see the application. But 18 inches in front of a computer monitor? Not only does it seem impossible for the 24" (or larger) to be taken in by your eyes at once when you are so close, but there is no need for the landscaped vision. So there it is.

Before you run your mouth off too much consider that people actually like to have 2 Word documents open side by side to do editing or summarization. Or any other combination of 2 windows side by side to get work done.

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Space Cowboy
So which one would make this Picture look the best?

Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW 24-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD Monitor with Height Adjustable Stand

NEC/MITSUBISHI FE2111SB-BK 22" SuperBright Diamondtron CRT Monitor

Hyundai L90D+19"

I don't think it would make a difference. It looks good to me:thumbsup:

It's a dark picture with lots of of shadowing.....this is easily where the CRT would trounce the LCD.

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Ok, I'll submit this non-hyped, cogent piece of logic for you all to think on as it relates to widescreen LCDs. What do we use our field-of-view for? While driving we are not only watching the car ahead of us but cars around us peripherally. It's a dynamically changing environment with interacting elements. Here's another.....movies. We are not only watching individual actors but we are viewing them in the whole of the scene. Their interaction with other characters and the environment in general. Our FOV, which is primarily landscaped, is something we use all the time in everyday life. What do we use our FOV for in the world of computer monitor viewing. Nothing. Nothing at all. We are reading words. We are focused on one thing at a time. It is not a dynamic environment....it is static. That's why widescreen computer monitors have no practical use beside widescreen games. HDTV and theaters where FOV is accommodated through widescreen pictures....I can see the application. But 18 inches in front of a computer monitor? Not only does it seem impossible for the 24" (or larger) to be taken in by your eyes at once when you are so close, but there is no need for the landscaped vision. So there it is.

Before you run your mouth off too much consider that people actually like to have 2 Word documents open side by side to do editing or summarization. Or any other combination of 2 windows side by side to get work done.

That's a good point.....though I think I'd prefer the 2405 over the 2005 since the latter doesn't even give you 11 inches vertically.....akin to a 17" monitor in that regard.

 

[kmmatney]

Originally posted by: Space Cowboy
Well folks,
It's been real. I hope I made the right choice and I think I did. I will look into a non CRT when the price comes down and they work all the bug's out.

Untill then I bought this SGI
five min. ago

Anybody wanna help me lift it to my desk?

100lbs

Thanks For All Your Help
Cowboy

Well, it's a widescreen and the 22.5" viewing size puts it somewhere in between the 2005FPW and the 2405FPW. If you have the desk space, then it looks like a good deal. Hope it works out.

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: kmmatney

Originally posted by: Space Cowboy
Well folks,
It's been real. I hope I made the right choice and I think I did. I will look into a non CRT when the price comes down and they work all the bug's out.

Untill then I bought this SGI
five min. ago

Anybody wanna help me lift it to my desk?

100lbs

Thanks For All Your Help
Cowboy

Well, it's a widescreen and the 22.5" viewing size puts it somewhere in between the 2005FPW and the 2405FPW. If you have the desk space, then it looks like a good deal. Hope it works out.

Wow.....100lbs! Give us your impressions, Cowboy, when you've had a chance to put it through its paces.

 

[Space Cowboy]

I had a extension arm mounted to the back, top of my desk and the 17" crt would sit 2-3 feet away from my face. I noticed that the back, top of the desk was being pulled up and seperating from the side piece it was connected to. So before I plop this puppy down I think I'll put some woodworking glue in there .. 100 lbs should push the desk back into place.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Hadsus

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Ok, I'll submit this non-hyped, cogent piece of logic for you all to think on as it relates to widescreen LCDs. What do we use our field-of-view for? While driving we are not only watching the car ahead of us but cars around us peripherally. It's a dynamically changing environment with interacting elements. Here's another.....movies. We are not only watching individual actors but we are viewing them in the whole of the scene. Their interaction with other characters and the environment in general. Our FOV, which is primarily landscaped, is something we use all the time in everyday life. What do we use our FOV for in the world of computer monitor viewing. Nothing. Nothing at all. We are reading words. We are focused on one thing at a time. It is not a dynamic environment....it is static. That's why widescreen computer monitors have no practical use beside widescreen games. HDTV and theaters where FOV is accommodated through widescreen pictures....I can see the application. But 18 inches in front of a computer monitor? Not only does it seem impossible for the 24" (or larger) to be taken in by your eyes at once when you are so close, but there is no need for the landscaped vision. So there it is.

Before you run your mouth off too much consider that people actually like to have 2 Word documents open side by side to do editing or summarization. Or any other combination of 2 windows side by side to get work done.

That's a good point.....though I think I'd prefer the 2405 over the 2005 since the latter doesn't even give you 11 inches vertically.....akin to a 17" monitor in that regard.

Sorry about coming off so rude, there was no need for that.

Yeah I have a 2405 currently and I think that's the minimum for running side by side effectively however, if you have an existing 17" and your funds are limited your options are getting another 17" or ebaying the 17" and getting an 2005fpw. I'd rather take the 2005fpw since it takes less space and having the two windows directly abutting each other is IMHO better than having the two bezels in between the two windows. It's not a bad compromise at only $471 these days.

Sometimes I run my TV tuner window next to my work window or even better I put the monitor in portrait mode and put the TV window just above the work window. I still have to admit that it reduces productivity to watch TV and work, but it's okay to do at home over the weekend sometimes.

 

[BlueMagician]

<post deleted> I'm not kicking off the previous discussion all over again!


S.

 

[AwesomeJay]

Originally posted by: Space Cowboy
Well folks,
It's been real. I hope I made the right choice and I think I did. I will look into a non CRT when the price comes down and they work all the bug's out.

Untill then I bought this SGI
five min. ago

Anybody wanna help me lift it to my desk?

100lbs

Thanks For All Your Help
Cowboy

man that is one fugly monitor

 

[Space Cowboy]

Holy Cow !!

This is going to take awhile to get use to. ...

No Lcd can touch the quality of this display. Clear, Crisp, and Black where it should be.

And it is a nice looking monitor and in great shape.

Amazing...

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: Space Cowboy
Holy Cow !!

This is going to take awhile to get use to. ...

No Lcd can touch the quality of this display. Clear, Crisp, and Black where it should be.

Maybe someday .. but for now the CRT is King in my world.

And it is a nice looking monitor and in great shape.

Amaazing...

I'm glad you like it.

I do not see how black is an issue on a good lcd. I am really confused. Is it that none of you have seen good CRT vs good LCD next to each other?

I am looking at your image on my trinitron p991 and my Dell 2001FP side by side and to tell the truth the Dell LCD has better blacks. I know the p991 is an older display, but it is still a high end 19" CRT.

I even spent all calibrating both screens yesterday. I do not see how anyone can say current LCDs do not display black properly.

 

[Space Cowboy]

Anyone know where I can find the drivers for this Monster?

24" SONY GDM-90W11 1920 x 1200 .25mm oem Silicon Graphics, Inc

Thanks
Cowboy

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: cbehnken

Originally posted by: Space Cowboy
Holy Cow !!

This is going to take awhile to get use to. ...

No Lcd can touch the quality of this display. Clear, Crisp, and Black where it should be.

Maybe someday .. but for now the CRT is King in my world.

And it is a nice looking monitor and in great shape.

Amaazing...

I'm glad you like it.

I do not see how black is an issue on a good lcd. I am really confused. Is it that none of you have seen good CRT vs good LCD next to each other?

I am looking at your image on my trinitron p991 and my Dell 2001FP side by side and to tell the truth the Dell LCD has better blacks. I know the p991 is an older display, but it is still a high end 19" CRT.

I even spent all calibrating both screens yesterday. I do not see how anyone can say current LCDs do not display black properly.

Try Doom3....nuff said (and BTW, I played Doom3 on a 2001fp with the brightness turned down to minimum and the gamma reduced so I know exactly how crappy it looks....especially next to a new, good CRT.) LCDs are technologically incapable of rendering blacks. Do a web search or go to the AVS forum. It is an indesputeable fact.....but if you think they look better than CRTs, then pass over whatever the h*ll your smoking .

Congrats Cowboy on your monitor.....you sure did research it to death, LOL.

 

[Quickstrike]

Wow it is great to hear of all the ppl that have a FP2141-SB. So these are discontinued now?

Usually when I see debates of LCD vs. CRT the LCD's end up winning. I'm happy to see I made the right purchase.

I've had the FP2141-SB for about 2 months now. Very impressed so far. The Superbright mode 1 (picture) makes games look amazing!

Sorry to steal the thread. but I have a few questions.

I was wondering what cloth you guys think would be the best to clean the monitor? I don't want to scratch the monitor.
Also I heard you should only use water to clean it (because of protective coating), would distilled water be best?

One problem I have is the whites seem really white in the center of the screen, but kind of fade when you go to the right of the screen. What settings should I play around with to fix this problem?

My friend has the 22" widescreen DELL LCD, when I compare mine to his, the colors are more vivid on his. Also the text is sharper. Should this be the case?

Although Naviset is really nice, it is hard for ppl no that familiar w/ monitors to set-up. It is calibrated pretty good right now, but is damned hard to get the geometry perfect

Any and all tips on how to configure and maintain this monitor would be greatly appreciated!



TIA,
-Quickstrike

 

[BenSkywalker]

I was wondering what cloth you guys think would be the best to clean the monitor? I don't want to scratch the monitor.
Also I heard you should only use water to clean it (because of protective coating), would distilled water be best?

I use a mild dish detergent on mine and then rinse with tap water. I have four kids(number five on the way) and unfortunately I still get some pretty rough fingerprints on the display. I've been running my monitor for a year now and despite repeated washings using dish detergent and a standard wash cloth the coating still seems to be nigh perfect.

One problem I have is the whites seem really white in the center of the screen, but kind of fade when you go to the right of the screen. What settings should I play around with to fix this problem?

In NaviSet go to the 'Other Controls' and focus on the top three(use the display patterns). It sounds as if you may have a convergence issue, which is a bit odd as that tends to be one of this monitors main strengths.

My friend has the 22" widescreen DELL LCD, when I compare mine to his, the colors are more vivid on his. Also the text is sharper. Should this be the case?

Running 1600x1200 on both? If yes, then likely your vid card is holding you back on the text front. Both ATi and nVidia suffer a bit when pushing the bandwidth up that high in terms of text clarity. For how vivid the images are, use DV in your nV control panel and bump it up a bit and see if you like it. You can make these monitors extremely vivid, but like LCDs you give up contrast when you do it.

 

[Space Cowboy]

Looks like I'm back in the market for a monitor
The CRT I got was not what I was told it would be (older model) and the spec's I was given were incorrect. So .. in the meantime I have a question?

The CRT I did recieve had 3, small, light, black, lines running thru it from the left side edge of the screen all the way to the right edge?

Does this mean it is a Aperture Grille Pitch type of CRT?

Just curious if this is common among these CRT's

Thanks
Cowboy

 

[Ackmed]

Its a Trinitron, its normal. Mine had two, but was only a 19".

Nice big CRT, just in time for summer!

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: Space Cowboy
Looks like I'm back in the market for a monitor
The CRT I got was not what I was told it would be (older model) and the spec's I was given were incorrect. So .. in the meantime I have a question?

The CRT I did recieve had 3, small, light, black, lines running thru it from the left side edge of the screen all the way to the right edge?

Does this mean it is a Aperture Grille Pitch type of CRT?

Just curious if this is common among these CRT's

Thanks
Cowboy

There should only be two. But yours was a widescreen so they coulda put another one in there for extra stability....but that's just a guess. Yes, sounds like an aperature grill. Those lines get a little lighter in a week or so. You don't notice them after you've lived with the monitor for awhile.

 

[Green84061]

Well i would just like to add that i just went from my brothers NEC FE2111sb which i used everyday to my new 2005fpw and i LOVE my new monitor, It doesnt have any dead pixels and only very very slight backlight bleeding, countersrike looks great in widescreen. The only problem is now i need a better video card because my radeon 9800pro can barely handle this puppy.