Legalization of Marijuana

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AlienCraft

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Nov 23, 2002
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Pretty sure the federal government will step in and squash legalization as soon as any state tries it.
()Until all the baldheads go away, the world will not be irie. ()

Nixon still lives as long as the War on Drugs spends money for nothing, except the For-Profit Prison Industry. D:
 

AlienCraft

Lifer
Nov 23, 2002
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The war on drugs has been going on for a quite a while, 30 years or so I believe. Considering this, all the actions by the federal government to combat drug use have been ineffective, given expenditures on the program. Legalizing marijuana would increase revenue, free some prisoners which will alleviate prison expenses. So far I see no downsides to this.
The "Corrections" ( Incarceration) Industry lobbies the hell out of it. AKA The Criminal "Justice" Industry.
 

EagleKeeper

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Oct 30, 2000
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Will we ever see it? Will the Feds change the law to allows states government to make the call? Are the constituents of this country going to wake up and push for the decriminalization?

I thought that I would see it in my lifetime...not so certain any more. I think it is time we start over with government...take them all out...rid the bipartisan mantra, limit terms and cap campaign contributions and actually instill a checks and balances system.

I still live in an area where liquor by the drink is a no no, and packaged liquor is a no go..jesus....i just do not get it...

If California (MJ capital of the country) can not get it passed within the state; forget about the Feds
 

bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
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There's too much money in keeping it illegal.

*yawn* and they're about to lose a SHITLOAD of money for pushing their bullshit agenda as well. Or did you not read that we here in California are releasing 30,000 inmates? Do you know how much we pay on average per inmate? 49,000 USD per year. $1,470,000,000 is what we're going to save per year on that alone. Most of those offenders are in for petty drug crimes or bullshit 3rd strike reasons. Legalize and we'll probably see another $1bn come back to us in prison expenses alone. That's a LOT of money for students, especially since we've been cutting back on education budgets for like.. 10+ years now while increasing our prison budgets. We've got so much to show for it too!!! lol...

Education has been a proven to work deterrent(more so than anything else), the industry is estimated to bring over a billion in tax revenue for my state alone and we'll save billions upon billions not trying to fight an unwinnable war. There is not enough money coming from the prison lobby to make up that difference. It will be legalized sooner rather than later. The goal for us in CA is next year, if we pass it the rest of you will follow.
 

Spikesoldier

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Oct 15, 2001
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if obama wants to get re-elected thats all hes gotta do

then invite all his haters to white house for a joint and gg
 

bfdd

Lifer
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If California (MJ capital of the country) can not get it passed within the state; forget about the Feds

Had you kept up with that whole prop and it's politics up until the vote? If you had you would have realized quite a large chunk of the cannabis community was against the bill. It lost by like 7%, which can mostly be explained by the people in the community who actively fought its passing. Reasons? greed for the most part. On the side that wrote the bill and the side who fought against it. Do you think clinics/collectives who were making 50-100g's a month just want to close up shop now because it's legal? Have to compete with 7-11 for customers? Please... They wanted to keep their revenue stream. I actually stopped going to one of the clinics I used to visit because they were actively trying to get their members to vote against it all so they could stay in business.
 

AlienCraft

Lifer
Nov 23, 2002
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*yawn* and they're about to lose a SHITLOAD of money for pushing their bullshit agenda as well. Or did you not read that we here in California are releasing 30,000 inmates? Do you know how much we pay on average per inmate? 49,000 USD per year. $1,470,000,000 is what we're going to save per year on that alone. Most of those offenders are in for petty drug crimes or bullshit 3rd strike reasons. Legalize and we'll probably see another $1bn come back to us in prison expenses alone. That's a LOT of money for students, especially since we've been cutting back on education budgets for like.. 10+ years now while increasing our prison budgets. We've got so much to show for it too!!! lol...

Education has been a proven to work deterrent(more so than anything else), the industry is estimated to bring over a billion in tax revenue for my state alone and we'll save billions upon billions not trying to fight an unwinnable war. There is not enough money coming from the prison lobby to make up that difference. It will be legalized sooner rather than later. The goal for us in CA is next year, if we pass it the rest of you will follow.
They will have to break some treaties in order to do so. Loss of Face says no.
 

Spikesoldier

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Had you kept up with that whole prop and it's politics up until the vote? If you had you would have realized quite a large chunk of the cannabis community was against the bill. It lost by like 7&#37;, which can mostly be explained by the people in the community who actively fought its passing. Reasons? greed for the most part. On the side that wrote the bill and the side who fought against it. Do you think clinics/collectives who were making 50-100g's a month just want to close up shop now because it's legal? Have to compete with 7-11 for customers? Please... They wanted to keep their revenue stream. I actually stopped going to one of the clinics I used to visit because they were actively trying to get their members to vote against it all so they could stay in business.

too bad cannabis industry there (and their profit margins) are propped up by artificially inflated prices of illicit goods.

ron paul wanted this most and he said it would ruin the drug dealers and put them out of business overnight. in this case those grow ops are the drug dealer.

i know that you know as much as i do: how bad greed can ruin things.
 

EagleKeeper

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Had you kept up with that whole prop and it's politics up until the vote? If you had you would have realized quite a large chunk of the cannabis community was against the bill. It lost by like 7&#37;, which can mostly be explained by the people in the community who actively fought its passing. Reasons? greed for the most part. On the side that wrote the bill and the side who fought against it. Do you think clinics/collectives who were making 50-100g's a month just want to close up shop now because it's legal? Have to compete with 7-11 for customers? Please... They wanted to keep their revenue stream. I actually stopped going to one of the clinics I used to visit because they were actively trying to get their members to vote against it all so they could stay in business.

Exactly my point.

There are not enough bright users to get the item passed.

And with MMJ being openly abused; the MJ community cuts it's own throat.
 

Saint Nick

Lifer
Jan 21, 2005
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Exactly my point.

There are not enough bright users to get the item passed.

And with MMJ being openly abused; the MJ community cuts it's own throat.
Pretty much. The entire culture surrounding cannabis is just campy and over done. Who would ever take that seriously?
 

bfdd

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Feb 3, 2007
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too bad cannabis industry there (and their profit margins) are propped up by artificially inflated prices of illicit goods.

ron paul wanted this most and he said it would ruin the drug dealers and put them out of business overnight. in this case those grow ops are the drug dealer.

i know that you know as much as i do: how bad greed can ruin things.

They already know the price will plummet and that's what they've been doing their estimates on. The reason for the inflated prices is the same reason many of those places were against legalization in California and actively trying to get their members against it as well.

Arguing with me though is probably not a good idea because I think all drugs should be legal and doctors prescriptions should go the way of the dinosaurs.
 

Mr. Lennon

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There's too much money in keeping it illegal.

Not really...

There are billions wasted every year for continuing the war on drugs

Incarceration...our prisons/jails are filled to the brim. States pay up to 50k a year for a single inmate. Drug offenders make up almost half the prison population...do the math.

Law enforcement...obscene amounts of money and time is wasted to actively wage this war. Having 4 well paid officers bust a kid for owning over an ounce of weed is an absolute waste of time and money.

The only ones who benefit from this war are the criminals. If we were to legalized all drugs, the Mexican mafias would crumble. We could regulate and tax some of the lesser drugs. For those with addiction to hardcore drugs, provide rehab.


As for country wide legalization of marijuana, we won't see that until politicians start getting some balls or all the old ignorant fools die off.

Edit: bfdd beat me to the punch.
 
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bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
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Not really...

There are billions wasted every year for continuing the war on drugs

Incarceration...our prisons/jails are filled to the brim. States pay up to 50k a year for a single inmate. Drug offenders make up almost half the prison population...do the math.

Law enforcement...obscene amounts of money and time is wasted to actively wage this war. Having 4 well paid officers bust a kid for owning over an ounce of weed is an absolute waste of time and money.

The only ones who benefit from this war are the criminals. If we were to legalized all drugs, the Mexican mafias would crumble. We could regulate and tax some of the lesser drugs. For those with addiction to hardcore drugs, provide rehab.


As for country wide legalization of marijuana, we won't see that until politicians start getting some balls or all the old ignorant fools die off.

Edit: bfdd beat me to the punch.

Hey man I am not going to shout you down for repeating reason
 

ahenkel

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Jan 11, 2009
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Pretty much. The entire culture surrounding cannabis is just campy and over done. Who would ever take that seriously?

Agreed it'll never get legalized as long as the people obsessed with it are the ones spearheading the campaign. Can't tell you how many times I've seen someone from NORML interviewed on TV and I just want to shout "DON'T TAKE A BONG RIP FIVE MINUTES FROM BEING ON TV. EVEN MY GRANDMA CAN TELL"
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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The war on drugs has been going on for a quite a while, 30 years or so I believe. Considering this, all the actions by the federal government to combat drug use have been ineffective, given expenditures on the program. Legalizing marijuana would increase revenue, free some prisoners which will alleviate prison expenses. So far I see no downsides to this.

War on Drugs:

started by Nixon

to replace LBJ's "War on Poverty." something that would have actually helped people, maybe, rather than an initiative that was established simply b/c a fear-mongering crumudgeon was terrified that dirty hippies would murder him in his sleep.

That is the intellectual foundation of the War on Drugs: "Mr. Burns" crying about harmless hippies destroying the country. what a fucking douchebag.
 

Wanescotting

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*SIGH* Sometimes, I hate this country....my lil sis is a lesbian, and a pot smoker....I can't wait until the day I can enjoy a joint at her wedding....
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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*SIGH* Sometimes, I hate this country....my lil sis is a lesbian, and a pot smoker....I can't wait until the day I can enjoy a joint at her wedding....

I've enjoyed joints at a few weddings, in states with very strict MJ laws.

and, there are a few states where your sis can get married.

so...it is already possible. :\
 
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